Comment on Philosophy has peaked. Checkmate atheists

• QuinnyCoded@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  since it can still reproduce

  UT OH 🫪

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• Passerby6497@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  A dildo also isn’t able to consent. A carrot isn’t able to consent and is more alive than the roadkill (since it can still reproduce).

  A dildo was never alive, and a carrot is not a sentient creature.

  Ability to consent is something we require from conscious beings, but we generally don’t require it from objects, and corpses blur the line.

  Lol, no they don’t. A corpse should be treated like the person it was, so it still needs consent otherwise you’re still raping it.

  but it isn’t actually that easy to come up with a consistent justification for that condemnation.

  It absolutely is: a sentient (not even sapient, but sentient) being’s bodily autonomy is inviolable without their consent.

  Extending your logic to make my point, if a corpse is blurring the line, what about brain dead coma patients, especially ones that are infertile? Are they ok to rape? They’re alive and can’t reproduce, so what’s the difference, right?

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  • kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    A corpse is not a sentient creature. Former sentience is not the same as sentience.

    A corpse should be treated like the person it was, so it still needs consent otherwise you’re still raping it.

    That’s your opinion, and it’s completely valid, but what’s your justification for why someone else should agree?

    Extending your logic to make my point, if a corpse is blurring the line, what about brain dead coma patients, especially ones that are infertile? Are they ok to rape? They’re alive and can’t reproduce, so what’s the difference, right?

    Well, they’re alive, for one. Corpses by definition are not. And what we think of as “brain-dead” is the long-term and potentially permanent loss of consciousness and therefore sapience, but sentience is a bit harder to disprove.

    Your standard seems to be “current or former sentient beings,” which is consistent, but you haven’t given a justification for the “or former” part. Current sentient beings experience suffering, so that’s a pretty good reason, but corpses don’t.

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