For what it’s worth, my LG washer has sent 14.3 MB in the past MONTH, but my Unifi router has misidentified my Nvidia Shield TV as another LG washer. The Shield has downloaded 11.6 GB in the past month, mostly from YouTube. While I don’t doubt it’s possible for a washer to send/receive that much data if it’s compromised and part of a botnet, I’d also question whether the device in question is actually an LG laundry appliance.
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officermike@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
kinsnik@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
why do you even need to have your washer connected to the internet at all?
ayyy@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Knowing when the washer is done with a polite buzz on my wrist is way better than not hearing a beeper from 3 rooms away. It also reports your energy and water usage so you can learn about where you use resources.
There’s a lot to be gained from smart appliances, it’s just that our current system makes the manufacturers adversarial to the users unfortunately.
Bluegrass_Addict@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
because those people don’t thi j, they do what they are told by companies. there is ZERO logical reason to have the thing connected to the internet.
it won’t add soap…it won’t add clothes…it won’t remove clothes…
there is nothing that machine can do better while connected to the internet vs offline…if there is, then it’s a limitation/problem specifically designed to make the product worse, in order to manipulate people to sign up for stupid crap.
ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I wouldn’t mind being able to start my washer remotely - I want it to run while I’m not home because it’s noisy, but I don’t want the wet laundry to sit all day like it would if I started it and then went to work.
kevin2107@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I have my air fryer connected to the internet
FireRetardant@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I wonder if usage of a phone app for controling and such impacts data use. If the app connects to an LG server before processing the task or notification, maybe its also grabbing a bunch of data from the phone as well?
DisgruntledGorillaGang@reddthat.com 2 weeks ago
What kind of permissions does the app ask for? That’ll tell ya right there.
TachyonTele@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Why do you have it hooked up to the Internet?
rmuk@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
“Sock! Sock! Sock! Sock! Sock! Sock! Sock! Sock! Sock! Shirt! Sock! Sock! Sock! Sock!” - LG Dishwasher, probably.
Ashiette@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I believevthat if a dishwasher sees a sock, it’s that it might be used for the wrong purposes.
rmuk@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
You don’t get to judge me.
hakunawazo@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
If you give it a sock, it will become a free dishwasher.
Burghler@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I wonder how many cum socks it would take to poison the data collected 🤔
napkin2020@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Bro
Kyle@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Pretty disappointed in Lemmy not noticing and downvoting this AI slop.
I’m all for calling out bullshit IoT garbage but zoom in and look closer.
lovely_reader@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
You’re right, but also, why did someone use AI to make this image look worse??
The original is included in this article: tomshardware.com/…/your-washing-machine-could-be-…
Kyle@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Lovely_reader doing the real investigative journalism here, I love it ☺️
Raptorox@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Pretty sure I saw a post version of this like a year ago or so, with the font not janky in any way
Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
For a while, I carefully scrutinized every photo for signs of AI
Now, I’ve decided to not bother with a close examination unless it’s important for some reason. There’s not enough time in the day
Chozo@fedia.io 2 weeks ago
What makes you think this is AI?
mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
I mean, if you zoom in and actually read the text, it very quickly becomes noticeable as fake
ImageLook at the numbers on the scale. Look at the “Downloaid” numbers. Look at the fact that “Syvert” is apparently a data unit.
ptu@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
On the day that’s between 31\ and 59, the scale that goes from 15poc to 301 000 is making up less Uploaid, of which the total is 53,8B Syert. Both totals are 3.66 GB
linkinkampf19@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Uploaid and downloaid, and many of the numbers in the chart are in no order
Jax@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
The suggestions that are being used as placeholders for numbers.
athatet@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
True however it could be ai upscaling. I seem to remember this post or at least something similar.
Wispy2891@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I always notice and downvote the ai slop but here I don’t see the patterns?
Also I think I saw this graph from more than a year ago
Jankatarch@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Shit almost missed it. Thank you.
hardcoreufo@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I think in 1980 3.7 GB of data seemed further away then a flying car.
Fluffy_Ruffs@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
That’s…actually a really good point
Hoimo@ani.social 2 weeks ago
80s cyberpunk where they have video calling and moon resorts, but the internet is closer to a system of carrier pidgeons than whatever the fuck this is.
FrederikNJS@piefed.zip 2 weeks ago
If I remember correctly the OP of this network traffic graph figured out that their network equipment were accidentally misattributing the traffic to the washer, and it was actually some other device that had caused the traffic.
floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
The toaster
ICastFist@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
Related: a criminal group managed to steal data from a casino thanks to their internet connected fish tank. In 2017
FosterMolasses@leminal.space 2 weeks ago
HAHAHAHA
tomiant@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Bored household item developed sexting addiction with ChatGPT
BilSabab@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
the hell? why the fuck a washing machine needs a wifi for? to google how to wash clothes?
A404@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Just wait until you find out about wifi connected toothbrushes
SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
From this point on , any useful new technology, any advancement in medicine, will be for the very wealthy. The rest of us will be taking ivermectinz and paying unholy fees just to keep driving our falling-apart cars.
Wispy2891@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
When I installed pihole at home the Number One request in the network was the Google nest thermostat. Why the fuck do you need to upload the temperature or other stuff this often?
Eddyzh@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Doesn’t that one have a microphone?
Wispy2891@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
no, it “only” has a room presence + humidity + temperature sensor
AndrewZabar@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Lesson: never buy an appliance that has internet connectivity.
melsaskca@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
If they ever sell a smart hammer that measures my impact strength and sends it to some system somewhere for further analysis then I’m giving up building. Let the damn AI build. Why does the world incorporate tech even when it adds nothing to a pre-existing method and drives up the price? Oh…I get it now.
Bytemeister@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Because “data is the new oil.”
Doesn’t matter what that data is, collect it first, and figure out how to sell it later.
BilSabab@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
except this oil is like 99% useless given the current scope of data collection.
AndrewZabar@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
And the typical consumer has no critical thinking skills and also, is ignorant, and very often a moron, and a sucker. People aren’t smart. The appliances are lol. And the people at the top of giant companies have a greed that is insatiable.
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Though it would be cool to do that and then set up microphones to pick up the house settling sounds and see if there’s a correlation. If only those with the resources to set that up could be trusted to not abuse that access to data because I wouldn’t consent to some data firm having access to mics in my place.
Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
The products are made to male the owners Roch not benefit the users.
Lucky_777@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
What the fuck kind of data could it be? Crazy shit
zarathustrad@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Money laundering.
NullPointerException@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Ba dum tssssssss
SirHaxalot@nord.pub 2 weeks ago
Seen a bunch of theories on this but the most likely one is that the washer ended up in a loop of failing firmware updates, downloading the same thing over and over again. It fits with the graph showing that it’s downloaded data. Could also straight up be a reporting bug in the router as someone else said.
StillAlive@piefed.world 2 weeks ago
Gremlins in the washing machine were watching a movie.
FreddiesLantern@leminal.space 2 weeks ago
I imagine a darkened office in the far outreaches of an LG research facility where a hermit lives.
They call him the stain expert. He gazes at this data all day.
Alberat@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
they’re learning every crease in your underwear
peteypete420@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Long as they dont know my skids…
this_1_is_mine@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
To be honest they wish they didn’t…
pyre@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
say what you will about al-qaeda but at least they made a solid demonstration as you why flying cars have always been a stupid fucking idea.
MrFinnbean@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Hmm. This sounds like maths.
Quick google search say that averag plane weights are about 40 000 kg for small jets, 70 000kg for narrow-body planes and up to 570 000 kg for large wide-body planes.
While average car weight is somewhere in the 2000 kg mark.
If the dreams of flying cars come to trough the way most scifi/cyperpunk depicts them and the flight speeds would be at the similiar range than driving on the street.
So lets be generous and say flying cars would be much hevyer and weight 3000kg and the flight speed would max 175 km/h wich is pretty much the max speed for regular cars.
Lets go with the average plane so Weight is 70 000kg and flight speed is 930km/h
So maths:
E = 0.0386 * m * v^2
Car: E = 0.0386 * 3 000 * 175^2 ≈ 3.5MJ
Plane: E = 0.0386 * 70 000 * 930^2 ≈ 2.3GJ
So you would need about 670 cars to get same impact as one plane.
*all the numbers came from google-fu and from my ass. Also all the maths was done while sitting on a toilet, so there is large margin for error.
pyre@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
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who says you need the same impact? a car can still fly through your window.
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I’m not talking about literally recreating 9/11 itself, especially since the twin towers are not as tall as they were. shame. anyway, my point is flying cars make any kind of accident a potential mini-9/11. you can put guardrails on roads, what the hell are you going to have for flying cars?
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Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Err…anyone actually zoomed in to this weird AI-slop? 😁
Not that I doubt that those “smart” things send whatever they may find…
snooggums@piefed.world 2 weeks ago
Uploaid, Syert, and Downloaid are all totally normal human words!
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Only if you have the latest PLS-protection!
athatet@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
It could also be ai upscaled. I believe I’ve seen a post similar to this before.
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
I think i did too, but this one was clearly not it. And this shitty quality image upscaled? Very unlikely.
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Go a little back and look at the prediction made in 1949 for the future, written in a book with the title “1984”.
Sure, it came a little late than forecast, but a lot of it came true.
Today’s society has been pretty predictable for quite a while:
- Political and social environments like now have been pretty common recurrences througout History, with the rise of Fascism in the early XX century being the previous time it happened (incredibly similar to nowadays, not just are most propaganda techniques and discourse used by the rightwing almost exactly same, but we even have a XXI century version of the NAZIs called Zionism doing pretty much the same thing as their predecessors did in 1930s Germany). Society and Economics seem to follow a grand-cycle with a period of around 100 years and we’re back at the point of the cycle of “Highest inequality and the Elites diverting the discontentment of the populus away from them by funding Far-Right politics scapegoating foreigners and using tools of authoritarianism in power” hence why this shit ressonates so much with the 1920 - 30s.
- The extreme desire for surveillance of open authoritarians and those with covert authoritarian leanings (lots of those in Europe plus the previous regime in the US was already the latter, though now it’s the former) and the forms it could take were pretty predictable by observing the secret police of the Fascist regimes in Southern Europe that lasted until the 70s and 80s as well in the Eastern Block, most notably the Stasi in Germany. It’s quite linear to map what Stasi would do with today’s technology and come up with using smartphones as mobile surveillance devices with the complicity of the Tech companies that control them (predictably so if you look at, for example, how IBM helped NAZI Germany), surveillance of citizen’s use of the Internet and modern digital communications (already done by the 7-eyes for ages and explaining things like the repeated attempts at imposing Chat Control on EU citizens) and the increasing automation of mass trawling surveillance made possible by ML to allow far wider civil society surveillance levels than were possible for the Stasi.
AndrewZabar@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Brave New World got it even better because in that book, everyone welcomed oppression with open arms and celebrated it.
itisileclerk@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Well in 1985 they “predicted” that in 2015 we will be so advanced that we will all have Home Cold Fusion Reactor, flying cars, double neck tie and each home will have multiple Fax Machines.
ActualGrapesTasteGreen@piefed.zip 2 weeks ago
I just checked. My LG washer and LG dryer both transmit ~30KB a day whether we use them or not. I do like being notified when they finish since they’re in the basement and my work desk is upstairs. I wouldn’t know otherwise.
deacon@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
You guys aren’t seeding torrents with your appliances?
expatriado@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
dumb washers clean as well and are cheaper 🤷
GirthBrooksPLO@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Another reason why im buying a speed queen.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
What is a washing machine doing that adds up to 3.7 gigs of data, per DAY? How many loads it does? How long it sits before it gets emptied? Why would anyone even care?
WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 2 weeks ago
And so far the flying cars that exist are about 10 times as expensive as normal cars. One of those things you buy if you already got the Lamborghini and have still an empty spot in the garage.
Skysurfer@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
There was but, from what I recall, it turned out to be a bug in the router software not counting the traffic correctly.
Skysurfer@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
There was but, from what I recall, it turned out to be a bug in the router software not counting the traffic correctly.
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
What is a reasonable amount of data for a washing machine to use (other than zero)?
ironhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
For some, there are. Just have to be a multi millionaire.
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
1980: “I bet there will be flying cars in the future!”
2026: “Oh…nonononononono. That would be far too dangerous. Not after 9/11.”
80: “9/11?”
26: “Yeah, they flew a bunch of planes into buildings, and blew up the pentagon, and the world trade center buildings, and an empty field in PA.”
80: “Why would they blow up an empty field?”
26: “Because those men and women inside that plane are HEROS!”
80: “I don’t understand…”
2020: “Hey guys!”
26: “Oh god! 1980, put this mask on. 2020 is here.”
80: “I don’t understand whats going on…”
2012: "I just shot a gorilla, and altered the future!
20 and 26: “FUCK OFF 2012!!!”
ergonomic_importer@piefed.ca 2 weeks ago
Harambe was in 2016, unless you’re from the alternate timeline where the event actually happened in 2012.
Alwaysnownevernotme@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Harambes demise was fortold by the Mayans.
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
…ok, either you somehow have the ability to alter google results before I search for them, or this is some Bearenstein Bears Bullshit!
I SWEAR it was in 2012…wait, was Kony 2012 not in 2012? I remember them both happening in the same summer.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Me after 9/11/2001 seeing all the American flags being waved, reminiscent of Nazi Germany: “I sure hope this doesn’t lead where it looks like it could lead…”
Later: “Fuck.”