I think there is a lot to be said for the emotional load someone like Hasan deals with. We are talking thousands of death threats and vitriol, swatting, psyops, debate bros etc etc. The soul sucking is mental and different, not going to assume this was him saying he has it harder like this out of context meme is trying to portray.
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Seasm0ke@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Delphia@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Its very much the same as standup comedy. Its 100% you.
If people dont watch its because YOU arent entertaining enough, YOU arent likeable enough, YOU arent putting in enough effort and energy, YOU dont bring anything new to the table, YOU dont take enough risks… Theres no team, theres no band, theres no coworkers, its all on you. Thats a lot to hang your entire livelihood on.
I could only do streaming or a YT if I had “never work again” money because without the pressure I probably could be fun and entertaining the whole time.
dasrael@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
I don’t think he has much of an emotional load because he’s a sociopath. His entire thing is a complete grift…and boy does it sell… And apparently you’re buying!
I wouldn’t worry too much about his feelings or lack thereof, He seems to find great comfort in his material wealth and assets.
sobchak@programming.dev 3 weeks ago
I don’t think he’s a grifter. He stopped running ads as soon as his contract with Twitch was over, doesn’t do sponsorships, doesn’t sell nutritional supplements, lets “fan channels” repost his content, personally donates to candidates and causes, runs donation streams, etc. I guess he does sell merch, made by union shops. I’m pretty sure most his income comes from subscribers. I think he could make much more money doing the things listed above if he wanted to. I don’t particularly like his personality, and he does seem to be fairly consumeristic and vain, but I don’t think he’s a grifter.
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
Anything’s possible when you make shit up
backalleycoyote@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
Hey now, those are our material wealth and assets. However, my share apperaently getting lost in the mail along with my Soros protest check 😕
Alwaysnownevernotme@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Da = Russian for yes
srael = the modern Nazis you like
Did I interpret that right?
Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
The fuck he does. He’s a literal multimillionaire who grifts for a living from the comfort of his own home. You think someone like him goes on Twitter or Reddit and reads what people say about him? He barely interacts with the public outside of his streams, he has one of the most stress free jobs in the world. Emotional load my ass, the only pressure he has is to keep up his persona and to grow his audience which is a very privileged position to be in.
lordziv@lemmy.nz 3 weeks ago
Tell me you don’t watch him without telling me you don’t watch him.
Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
How does Hasan grift?
gmtom@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Genuinely what is wrong with you that you think getting constant death threats and harassment is “stress free”?
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
A real job I guess dies a lot of work here.
There’s nothing worse than being on a “make work” job, where you’re so silod off from the world there’s no connection from what you do to any meaningful outcome.
And that defines an incredibly large chunk of corporate jobs.
balderdash9@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Yeah, I think the reason behind the work plays a big role in our perception of it. If we are building an earthen wall to protect our friends and family from invaders, there is a finite amount of work that ends with a sense of accomplishment. If we are looking through the corporation’s quarterly reports in order to become a fraction of a percent more profitable, the work continues forever and the end result is meaningless.
Shellofbiomatter@lemmus.org 3 weeks ago
In addition the physical direct aspect of the wall building. At least for me any manufacturing job suits exactly because at the end of the day there’s a literal physical representation of what i did. Later going to the store and having the recognition when seeing something i made.
There was no such connection when trying out office jobs or basically anything else besides manufacturing. Just doing some completely meaningless task the whole day and best case scenario is some random numbers going up.
So while manufacturing is physically tiring, office jobs are soul sucking and client service is just hell in all aspects.
prettybunnys@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
“Being on standby” is torture.
No. Give me task. Let me do it. Let me be done.
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
also “in the same way” - that’s a broad net
orenj@leminal.space 3 weeks ago
I think I actually believe him. He’s not doing physical labour but that doesn’t mean there isn’t an emotional toll from what amounts to being a clown whose paycheck is derived from the whims of literally faceless masses
NeptuneOrbit@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I agree. The algorithm wants you constantly putting out annoying shit to keep their audience hooked. At first you are creative! Monetizing your hobby! Soon you have a hole on your resume, a demanding schedule, a soulless algo, a capricious audience you must grow… Yeah I think I’d take corporate life over being a streamer or whatever.
Its even eaten traditional creative careers. Writers and artists must be online content creators above all else.
AWistfulNihilist@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Xenny@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I’ve actually attempted live streaming. It totally sucks. The joy out of sitting in front of a computer and zoning out playing your game. You start to go. Oh no I can’t play this game cuz I’m playing it on stream.
I wasn’t majorly successful but I still made affiliate and had some regular watchers. The pressure to create content and be entertaining and stay engaged was too much for me and continue doing it all for the paltry sums that I was getting. In the end I made enough money streaming to make up for all the equipment I bought for it. But I quickly ran out of real time to stream when I needed to make real money. So I got a real job.
Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
I get that but like doing the same shit with excel and no audience instead also fucking sucks lol
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
True but when you have a moment where you just need to sit lean back, stretch, and say “argh I fucking hate excel”, you don’t have an audience arguing that you should love it. Or maybe you do have an audience but it’s colleagues who have similar experience and can commiserate or give advice about the latest annoyance if they know a trick.
BigBananaDealer@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
well imagine theres like 15 people back seat driving your spreadsheets
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
Do you throw up a stream when you game how you really want or have you retired entirely?
Xenny@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I haven’t booted up OBS in a few months now. It would be too much work for me to do. My hair look nice. Make sure my lighting setup is just right. Clean my room, set up my camera angle and then make sure that everything on stream is appropriate, Not copyrighted and all that stuff.
HatchetHaro@pawb.social 3 weeks ago
for me, streaming is a way for me to share my activity with my friends and have fun. i’ve given my friends many ways to interact with (bully) me on-stream, and it’s all good fun. if my social battery ever drains, i stop streaming for a few days.
i got my affiliate, and am currently not fussed about getting that partner. if i ever get popular, sure, that would be very cool, but honestly, i’m happy with sharing the joy with my friends.
Katana314@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
One guy I still really like to watch hit the perfect stride. He has a real job now, but he occasionally streams based on when he feels like, and has a pretty dedicated, very small, group of followers he feels safe around. He’s fine with ending stream early if there’s no real vibe.
He used to be much bigger, so he has the experience; he’s just fine with downsizing a bit, playing variety games, etc.
Stern@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Aside from the streamdeck, which tbh i coulda memorized some keyboard commands instead, I can justify the other streaming related buys like the webcam and fancy mic with the boom arm and pop filter as being useful if a bit extra for other shit.
I get dogwater viewers but I just shoot the shit and play stuff I was going to play anyhow so its a few extra bucks to play with some buddies on the proverbial couch heckling or rooting for me as the case may be.
SoupBrick@pawb.social 3 weeks ago
I mean, if you ignore the constant advocacy he does for rank and file workers and unions, alongside his repeated acknowledgement of his privilege, this would be a legitimate criticism if you left out the “in the same way”.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
I keep saying that actual literacy is a required prerequisite to media literacy… pretty scary how many people functionally can’t read these days.
yeahiknow3@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
Performative socialism is all the rage.
LodeMike@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
Wow it’s almost like it’s impossible to have 100% consistency across 12 hours a day of talking…
Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
True
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
Anything’s possible when you make shit up
toynbee@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
Who is he?
SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
A left wing political commentator on the internet, who’s popular among the 18-35 set
Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Steven Seagal
Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
What do you mean
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
He’s right, normal jobs don’t completely take over your life or get you stalkers and death threats or make it impossible to exist in public without being harrassed. Success as a streamer is like any other kind of fame in that it results in a bunch of extra bullshit above and beyond the actual work that is uniquely psychologically exhausting.
OldChicoAle@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Totally get that. Is someone forcing him to be a streamer? Is it that hard to stop?
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
Is it hard to stop needing a job? Yeah actually, famous people still have bills.
Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 3 weeks ago
People are allowed to complain about their jobs regardless of their short/medium term plans
Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Clown world
agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
I don’t have any further context, but he’s got a point.
Sure, physical jobs are physically demanding and the monotony can be taxing. Even customer service jobs are mentally and emotionally taxing, but at the end of the day you’re just a rando in a uniform. You’re selling your skills and labor, you can be yourself off the clock.
Streaming is selling your personality, your perspectives, your values. With lots of viewers, you’re exposing yourself to criticism for every opinion you express. You basically live every day with your identity under the microscope of thousands of anonymous critics. Either you deal with constant character attacks, or you commodify your personality until it’s basically unrecognizable.
“Real jobs” don’t really attack your soul in the same way, because your soul isn’t the product. Aside from certain kinds of celebrities that are basically streamers anyway, it is a pretty unique struggle. At least actors are portraying characters, and can separate themselves from their roles. Streamers are the roles. The line between self and curated content is pretty heavily blurred, it really is a singular kind of soul-sucking.
DisgruntledGorillaGang@reddthat.com 3 weeks ago
That’s bullshit. Real jobs are physically demanding AND soul sucking. He has the luxury of a soul sucking job where he sits on his ass. Count your blessings.
Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
No, he doesn’t. What kind of out of touch, giga privileged perspective is that?
Being a streamer is one of the most comfortable careers in the world. You get to set your own times, you get to be your own boss, you get to do it from the comfort of your own home, and you get to keep all the money you make. That type of freedom, ownership, and flexibility is something that most people could only dream of. The very idea of owning your own businesses and making a good living from it is very appealing, which is so many people try to be content creators.
Most people fail at it because they don’t treat it like a serious job, they think just putting a camera in front of them is enough for the money to start rolling in, but that’s never true. Professional streamers, like Hasan, treat it like a real job. You have this misconception that streaming becomes your life, but that’s not true. Professional streamers have very firm boundaries between their personal lives and their work. They follow very strict streaming and uploading schedules, they have carefully curated and tweaked online persona that’s designed to attract and maintain an audience, and they’re very careful to not do anything that hurts their brand image with their core audience. They also make sure to never interact with or seek out how people talk about them online, because going down that rabbit hole will lead to your career’s demise, so most professionals don’t do this.
So the struggles that you’re attributing to Hasan aren’t really there. He has a private life different from his career, his streaming persona is different from his real personality, and he intentionally ignores what people say about him online. Does streaming require effort and commitment? Sure. Does it come with its own pressure and risks? Sure, it’s like any other job. Is it soul sucking? Not in the least.
Compare streaming to something actually soul sucking like construction work. As a construction worker, you have to commute to the construction site 5 days a week, you have to work long shifts outside, you get little to no breaks, you have deal with annoying managers who micromanage everything you do, you have to work your ass off to meet very tight deadlines or else you could get fired, you have to deal with loud noises and strong smells all day, you work in a dangerous environment that requires you to be alert at all time, you have to constantly lift and move heavy things and do physical maneuvers that are taxing on the body for long periods of time… all for paycheck that’s just a bit over minimum wage. When you clock out, you’re so exhausted physically and mentally, you feel like a zombie. You can’t do anything for the rest of the day besides eating a meal, taking a shower, and going to sleep… because you have to repeat everything again the next day and the next and the next. Before you know it, years have passed and you life hasn’t progressed at all because you don’t have time, money, or energy to do anything. Now THAT is soul sucking.
Calling streaming soul sucking feels very off to me. You don’t understand just how many people are willing to give up their crappy jobs to become streaming provocateurs.
Peanutbjelly@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
“look the guy who spends all day every day saying things said a cringe thing once! stop listening to him about israel and billionaires!”
there’s a huge hasan smear campaign by corpo “democrats” right now, because obviously he’s the real danger for some reason and not the cheeto rapist in power.
when people are calling democrats controlled opposition, this is what they mean.
remember hasan’s dog? don’t think about the entrenched democrats actively enabling the fascist takeover. don’t think about their support for funding israel’s genocide of gaza. what if his dog possibly potentially had a shock collar because the way it moved once! keep hasan on the defensive so he isn’t talking about israel or billionaires!
etc.
i definitely am not the biggest hasan fan, but i find myself defending him regularly from absolute bullshit.
if there’s was ever a time to be picky about hasan’s choice of emotionally biased statements on non-issues, this is really not it.
mootny@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Breaks my heart witnessing the struggle he has to go through day by day, selflessly giving his all, slaving away under the thumb of damn capitalist pigs. Stay strong comrade, working class unite 🫶
captainlezbian@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I do think the streamer may have a point, but only in a bullshit jobs way. A job that actually improves the world has a sense of satisfaction that a job that’s either harmful or pointless lacks, and the latter does some damage to the psyche
Lioffproxy@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
If my body wasn’t so busted I would prefer general labor. Over almost any desk job. I hate it. I don’t have a chat section. At least with general labor i felt like i actually did something of worth at the end of the day.
gmtom@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Nah he’s right. I’m in a friend circle that includes a lot of content creators and the burnout is so palpable, they can’t even take real holidays because if they do the algorithm fucks them over. Then the guy in the group who’s effectively a Janitor is the happiest and well adjusted and he loves his job.
pyre@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
i challenge you to suffer his stupid fucking chat for a day… a lot of people would prefer back breaking labor.
OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
Honestly the more I hear Hassan quotes the more I like him.
sexy_peach@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
Many real jobs, especially low income ones do in fact suck the soul out of you. I have tried for y’all.
trongod_requiem0432@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Stop giving fuckheads attention. It’s the only way we can prevent further idiocracy. Attention focus matters.
Vupware@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Every day I sit at my office desk and long for the days when honest work stocking shelves was my sole responsibility. It kept me active and it kept my mind occupied. I hate having an office job. I hate that I can’t eat junk food and I have to utilize my free time exercising. I hate my vapid and fake burgois coworkers. I hate the industry I’m in. I hate the politics. I hate the smell of the communal bathroom. I hate the finance bros.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
well a streamer is a wealthy persons game, most of them come form wealthy families, or well off its not like they have a job themselves. like some new ones about pets, how did you afford a house and getting married right out of college yea the parents paid for it.
bearboiblake@pawb.social 3 weeks ago
Omg you’re that guy who came in to argue with me about liberalism in the other thread, it makes complete sense that you’re a “fuck Hasan” guy. Are you an Asmongold fan?
JackbyDev@programming.dev 3 weeks ago
I feel he’s comparing streaming to white collar jobs, not blue collar jobs. I often refer to my white collar job as my first “real job” because it was the first job I got involving my degree. Prior to that my blue collar jobs where I worked as a “janitor” or in a deli were just part time work to get some spending money.
Ironically, or perhaps not depending on your perspective, having every statement you make over analyzed because your profession is just constantly making statements live can certainly be soul sucking. I think this post is evidence of that. You have to constantly make sure you don’t say things that can get clipped in a way that will make you look bad.
Judging by his other statements, I find it hard to believe he’s saying that hard manual labor is easy work that isn’t soul sucking.
EtAl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
I ain’t saying physical labor isn’t soul sucking, but here’s a video on what it’s like to be a creator subject to the Skinner box of YouTube.
theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Then just get a real job.
sangeteria@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
Feel like this is the first real ragebait post I’ve seen on Lemmy. Pretty good work OP! Quit drag
infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 3 weeks ago
Imagine the person who wakes up in a world as full of fucked up oppression and brutality as ours and decides “I’m going to make a decisive meme about an outspoken leftist streamer”.
RelativeArea1@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
chat, is this real??
Warm_Bowl_of_Peas@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
steamers when their job is to play video games for a few hours and make 1000s of dollars 😭
AlfalFaFail@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
Don’t know if anyone cares about context, but this Know Your Meme page gives some more.
Here’s a video explaining what he means.
Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I thought this would get a lot more hate 😔
Vespair@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
I respect and appreciate what Hasan does and the impact he has even if I myself am not a fan.
But boy, I do wish he managed to be less annoying while doing it, or that we had a better face for the movement in broad media than him.
Gladaed@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
You know that the streamer is right. Just because other occupational hazards are worse does not mean theirs are invalid. And loads of streamers are barely scraping by.
Just because a rich fuck makes a valid point doesn’t mean their worse off than you.
corvi@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Yeah, obviously there are worse jobs and steamers who love what they do, but I can’t think of a better way to ruin any enjoyment I had for gaming.
Mad respect for the ones who are on for 10 hours every day of the week for years straight, and somehow still manage to be healthy and have a family. I couldn’t do it.
corvi@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Just for clarity, I couldn’t stack those bricks very well either.
BoneheadBruin@pawb.social 3 weeks ago
Honestly it goes deeper than that. I’m part of a very small streamer community and the two biggest points of exhaustion are actually just community management and the platforms themselves.
You can be having an absolute blast playing games, bullshitting with chat, whatever else, and then ONE person can come in and ruin the entire vibe. The two big ones are people “um, ackshually"ing a joke you make or someone deciding to trauma dump into a 10+ person conversation to fish for compliments. The amount of times one of the streamers is vibing, making jokes, chat is blowing up and someone comes in like” I hate myself I want to die please compliment me and make me feel better while you’re live :'(" is insane. Just zero self awareness and you can’t just ignore someone writing what sounds like the first half of a suicide note so suddenly you flip from entertainer to therapist.
The platforms are just as bad. Having to constantly fear that any accident in a game gets you banned is just such a suffocating experience. This is worse in games with open mics where it’s your responsibility to police, mute, whatever else the ra do outbursts of hate speech and slurs. Heaven forbid you’re playing a game that suddenly surprises you with nudity or something else and you’re left wondering if you’re gonna get flagged by TOS because it arbitrarily wasn’t artistic enough. Heaven forbid you stream something from Nintendo who just rolls a die once a day and assassinates a random community built around their games.
driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 3 weeks ago
The ones that do it so much dosen’t really have time for a healthy family life. This is why northernlion is the only normal streamer. He streams like for 6hr mon-fri, take vacations every once in a while and take care of himself and his family
SailorMoss@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
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esc@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
They can stop working in entertainment, it’s not like streamers are bound to a chair with a rope.
Gladaed@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
That’s not what this is about. This is about there being a psychological strain.
zeejoo@thelemmy.club 3 weeks ago
Also, Hasan is not “barely scraping by”. He’s a multi millionaire who could end the “soul sucking” by turning off his money font, but he doesn’t want to. It’s a slog for small streamers absolutely, but let’s not pretend like Hasan has any right to call his own job “soul-sucking” when he could retire in comfort, nay, luxury for the rest of his life at any time he chooses.
null@piefed.nullspace.lol 3 weeks ago
Yeah, they’re not forced to stay in frame and shocked with a shock collar if they move or anything.
rf_@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
The problem with the statement(which I have no idea if it’s true or someone just made this for rage bait) is that it’s making a ranked comparison saying streaming sucks more than regular jobs, so it antagonizes the working class as it jumps into a misery competition.
It’s divisive, when instead we should be uniting under the reality that standards of living are shit due to wealth inequality. The statement in the image instead just divides us more.
People are struggling, and hearing someone say “I have it worse than you” is not helping. We have to be demanding our governments and political parties for solutions that address wealth inequality which is causing lower living standards and causing the general discontent.
Gladaed@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
It ranks the mental load of streaming and chat and job security. It doesn’t mean streaming is the hardest job on the mental. Just worse than average.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Very easy to point to the Michael Jordan of streaming at his peak and say “This is actually very easy and so lucrative, why would anyone complain?” while ignoring the depths of ignominy endured by the dregs of the podcasting industry, a la Adam Friedland.
BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
LoL the poor streamers barely scraping by from all the sitting at home doing nothing but yapping all day
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
You clearly have no idea what you’re talking about, it would be smart to stop talking and take the opportunity to learn
Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 3 weeks ago
Y’know if you’re so jealous of streamers there’s nothing stopping you from downloading an app on your phone and trying it out.
Every job and every career has aspects that suck, and different people excel at handling those different types of suck. At my work I support people who do industrial sanitation. Literally the stuff you’d see on the TV show Dirty Jobs, while I sit in my cushy home office working about 6 projects at a time keeping the servers and databases happy and secure. Just about every day I have a conversation with the folks I support where they say something about how they could never do my job, and I reply with the exact same sentiment.
HazardousBanjo@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Has an isn’t right when referring to himself tho.
Has an is a multi millionaire. Anyone who thinks his profession is worse than a traditional working class job (including him) is fucking delusional.
Gladaed@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
He is speaking on mental load. Assuming a person in the spotlight of the public has a similar set of challenges compared to a regular worker is dismissive.
Doesn’t mean they are worse of. Just means that some things can be hard.
gmtom@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
He’s not saying it’s worse though.
Also being a millionaire is not like filthy rich, its like owning a house in a major city, or having a successful small business.
timestatic@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
But also there are so many people trying to become streamers. You don’t automatically have the right to make it just because you try streaming. Only a small hand of people provide entertainment for most. I get the struggle but maybe if you’re not successful or don’t make a living wage while attempting full-time you should just go back to a normal job. Just saying.
Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Who?
Obnomus@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
As long as life is going you don’t have to scrape anything.