Nah he’s right. I’m in a friend circle that includes a lot of content creators and the burnout is so palpable, they can’t even take real holidays because if they do the algorithm fucks them over. Then the guy in the group who’s effectively a Janitor is the happiest and well adjusted and he loves his job.
Hee Hee Ho Ho Ha Ha
Submitted 21 hours ago by Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world to [deleted]
https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/41639347-a5cf-4a5e-8e5b-cd7cb1f649ca.jpeg
Comments
gmtom@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
LOL, they can’t take holidays? I can’t either. At least they can pay their bills ffs, unlike me.
gmtom@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
???
All my other friends? I’m on a very average wage and can take holidays, I have a friend’s that on like 1k/year over minimum who’s going to Japan later this year.
vithigar@lemmy.ca 2 hours ago
Are any of your content creator friends trying to get other jobs?
gmtom@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
Yeah, most of them are actually artists primarily, but getting a stable job in art is quite hard.
BetaDoggo_@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
I can absolutely see this. Viewers are expecting something new every time they check your page. If you aren’t active for a week they may stop checking.
trongod_requiem0432@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Stop giving fuckheads attention. It’s the only way we can prevent further idiocracy. Attention focus matters.
Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
Hell no
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 10 hours ago
He’s right, normal jobs don’t completely take over your life or get you stalkers and death threats or make it impossible to exist in public without being harrassed. Success as a streamer is like any other kind of fame in that it results in a bunch of extra bullshit above and beyond the actual work that is uniquely psychologically exhausting.
Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
Clown world
OldChicoAle@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
Totally get that. Is someone forcing him to be a streamer? Is it that hard to stop?
Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 21 minutes ago
People are allowed to complain about their jobs regardless of their short/medium term plans
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 9 hours ago
Is it hard to stop needing a job? Yeah actually, famous people still have bills.
Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
Oh yeah gang now it’s spicy
Seasm0ke@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
I think there is a lot to be said for the emotional load someone like Hasan deals with. We are talking thousands of death threats and vitriol, swatting, psyops, debate bros etc etc. The soul sucking is mental and different, not going to assume this was him saying he has it harder like this out of context meme is trying to portray.
Delphia@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
Its very much the same as standup comedy. Its 100% you.
If people dont watch its because YOU arent entertaining enough, YOU arent likeable enough, YOU arent putting in enough effort and energy, YOU dont bring anything new to the table, YOU dont take enough risks… Theres no team, theres no band, theres no coworkers, its all on you. Thats a lot to hang your entire livelihood on.
I could only do streaming or a YT if I had “never work again” money because without the pressure I probably could be fun and entertaining the whole time.
Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
The fuck he does. He’s a literal multimillionaire who grifts for a living from the comfort of his own home. You think someone like him goes on Twitter or Reddit and reads what people say about him? He barely interacts with the public outside of his streams, he has one of the most stress free jobs in the world. Emotional load my ass, the only pressure he has is to keep up his persona and to grow his audience which is a very privileged position to be in.
Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 hour ago
How does Hasan grift?
gmtom@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
Genuinely what is wrong with you that you think getting constant death threats and harassment is “stress free”?
lordziv@lemmy.nz 10 hours ago
Tell me you don’t watch him without telling me you don’t watch him.
dasrael@lemmy.zip 16 hours ago
I don’t think he has much of an emotional load because he’s a sociopath. His entire thing is a complete grift…and boy does it sell… And apparently you’re buying!
I wouldn’t worry too much about his feelings or lack thereof, He seems to find great comfort in his material wealth and assets.
sobchak@programming.dev 15 hours ago
I don’t think he’s a grifter. He stopped running ads as soon as his contract with Twitch was over, doesn’t do sponsorships, doesn’t sell nutritional supplements, lets “fan channels” repost his content, personally donates to candidates and causes, runs donation streams, etc. I guess he does sell merch, made by union shops. I’m pretty sure most his income comes from subscribers. I think he could make much more money doing the things listed above if he wanted to. I don’t particularly like his personality, and he does seem to be fairly consumeristic and vain, but I don’t think he’s a grifter.
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 12 hours ago
Anything’s possible when you make shit up
backalleycoyote@lemmy.today 16 hours ago
Hey now, those are our material wealth and assets. However, my share apperaently getting lost in the mail along with my Soros protest check 😕
Alwaysnownevernotme@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
Da = Russian for yes
srael = the modern Nazis you like
Did I interpret that right?
Gladaed@feddit.org 21 hours ago
You know that the streamer is right. Just because other occupational hazards are worse does not mean theirs are invalid. And loads of streamers are barely scraping by.
Just because a rich fuck makes a valid point doesn’t mean their worse off than you.
corvi@lemmy.zip 21 hours ago
Yeah, obviously there are worse jobs and steamers who love what they do, but I can’t think of a better way to ruin any enjoyment I had for gaming.
Mad respect for the ones who are on for 10 hours every day of the week for years straight, and somehow still manage to be healthy and have a family. I couldn’t do it.
corvi@lemmy.zip 20 hours ago
Just for clarity, I couldn’t stack those bricks very well either.
BoneheadBruin@pawb.social 20 hours ago
Honestly it goes deeper than that. I’m part of a very small streamer community and the two biggest points of exhaustion are actually just community management and the platforms themselves.
You can be having an absolute blast playing games, bullshitting with chat, whatever else, and then ONE person can come in and ruin the entire vibe. The two big ones are people “um, ackshually"ing a joke you make or someone deciding to trauma dump into a 10+ person conversation to fish for compliments. The amount of times one of the streamers is vibing, making jokes, chat is blowing up and someone comes in like” I hate myself I want to die please compliment me and make me feel better while you’re live :'(" is insane. Just zero self awareness and you can’t just ignore someone writing what sounds like the first half of a suicide note so suddenly you flip from entertainer to therapist.
The platforms are just as bad. Having to constantly fear that any accident in a game gets you banned is just such a suffocating experience. This is worse in games with open mics where it’s your responsibility to police, mute, whatever else the ra do outbursts of hate speech and slurs. Heaven forbid you’re playing a game that suddenly surprises you with nudity or something else and you’re left wondering if you’re gonna get flagged by TOS because it arbitrarily wasn’t artistic enough. Heaven forbid you stream something from Nintendo who just rolls a die once a day and assassinates a random community built around their games.
driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 20 hours ago
The ones that do it so much dosen’t really have time for a healthy family life. This is why northernlion is the only normal streamer. He streams like for 6hr mon-fri, take vacations every once in a while and take care of himself and his family
SailorMoss@sh.itjust.works 10 hours ago
esc@piefed.social 20 hours ago
They can stop working in entertainment, it’s not like streamers are bound to a chair with a rope.
null@piefed.nullspace.lol 26 minutes ago
Yeah, they’re not forced to stay in frame and shocked with a shock collar if they move or anything.
zeejoo@thelemmy.club 18 hours ago
Also, Hasan is not “barely scraping by”. He’s a multi millionaire who could end the “soul sucking” by turning off his money font, but he doesn’t want to. It’s a slog for small streamers absolutely, but let’s not pretend like Hasan has any right to call his own job “soul-sucking” when he could retire in comfort, nay, luxury for the rest of his life at any time he chooses.
Gladaed@feddit.org 18 hours ago
That’s not what this is about. This is about there being a psychological strain.
BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
LoL the poor streamers barely scraping by from all the sitting at home doing nothing but yapping all day
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 12 hours ago
You clearly have no idea what you’re talking about, it would be smart to stop talking and take the opportunity to learn
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
Very easy to point to the Michael Jordan of streaming at his peak and say “This is actually very easy and so lucrative, why would anyone complain?” while ignoring the depths of ignominy endured by the dregs of the podcasting industry, a la Adam Friedland.
HazardousBanjo@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
Has an isn’t right when referring to himself tho.
Has an is a multi millionaire. Anyone who thinks his profession is worse than a traditional working class job (including him) is fucking delusional.
gmtom@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
He’s not saying it’s worse though.
Also being a millionaire is not like filthy rich, its like owning a house in a major city, or having a successful small business.
Gladaed@feddit.org 14 hours ago
He is speaking on mental load. Assuming a person in the spotlight of the public has a similar set of challenges compared to a regular worker is dismissive.
Doesn’t mean they are worse of. Just means that some things can be hard.
rf_@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
The problem with the statement(which I have no idea if it’s true or someone just made this for rage bait) is that it’s making a ranked comparison saying streaming sucks more than regular jobs, so it antagonizes the working class as it jumps into a misery competition.
It’s divisive, when instead we should be uniting under the reality that standards of living are shit due to wealth inequality. The statement in the image instead just divides us more.
People are struggling, and hearing someone say “I have it worse than you” is not helping. We have to be demanding our governments and political parties for solutions that address wealth inequality which is causing lower living standards and causing the general discontent.
Gladaed@feddit.org 18 hours ago
It ranks the mental load of streaming and chat and job security. It doesn’t mean streaming is the hardest job on the mental. Just worse than average.
Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
Who?
timestatic@feddit.org 20 hours ago
But also there are so many people trying to become streamers. You don’t automatically have the right to make it just because you try streaming. Only a small hand of people provide entertainment for most. I get the struggle but maybe if you’re not successful or don’t make a living wage while attempting full-time you should just go back to a normal job. Just saying.
EffortlessGrace@piefed.social 3 hours ago
You chose this, Hasan.
You.
Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 23 minutes ago
I mean, it’s okay to complain about your job regardless of whether or not you plan on leaving it. Especially when you have what is literally many kids’ stated dream jobs, it’s kinda important to give those kids some perspective when they’re at an age that it’s easiest to shift gears into a different career
Xenny@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
I’ve actually attempted live streaming. It totally sucks. The joy out of sitting in front of a computer and zoning out playing your game. You start to go. Oh no I can’t play this game cuz I’m playing it on stream.
I wasn’t majorly successful but I still made affiliate and had some regular watchers. The pressure to create content and be entertaining and stay engaged was too much for me and continue doing it all for the paltry sums that I was getting. In the end I made enough money streaming to make up for all the equipment I bought for it. But I quickly ran out of real time to stream when I needed to make real money. So I got a real job.
Katana314@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
One guy I still really like to watch hit the perfect stride. He has a real job now, but he occasionally streams based on when he feels like, and has a pretty dedicated, very small, group of followers he feels safe around. He’s fine with ending stream early if there’s no real vibe.
He used to be much bigger, so he has the experience; he’s just fine with downsizing a bit, playing variety games, etc.
HatchetHaro@pawb.social 9 hours ago
for me, streaming is a way for me to share my activity with my friends and have fun. i’ve given my friends many ways to interact with (bully) me on-stream, and it’s all good fun. if my social battery ever drains, i stop streaming for a few days.
i got my affiliate, and am currently not fussed about getting that partner. if i ever get popular, sure, that would be very cool, but honestly, i’m happy with sharing the joy with my friends.
Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works 15 hours ago
I get that but like doing the same shit with excel and no audience instead also fucking sucks lol
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
True but when you have a moment where you just need to sit lean back, stretch, and say “argh I fucking hate excel”, you don’t have an audience arguing that you should love it. Or maybe you do have an audience but it’s colleagues who have similar experience and can commiserate or give advice about the latest annoyance if they know a trick.
BigBananaDealer@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
well imagine theres like 15 people back seat driving your spreadsheets
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 13 hours ago
Do you throw up a stream when you game how you really want or have you retired entirely?
Xenny@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
I haven’t booted up OBS in a few months now. It would be too much work for me to do. My hair look nice. Make sure my lighting setup is just right. Clean my room, set up my camera angle and then make sure that everything on stream is appropriate, Not copyrighted and all that stuff.
libre_warrior@lemmy.ml 2 hours ago
Hinting at quitting streaming?
Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
Praise be
RelativeArea1@sh.itjust.works 5 hours ago
chat, is this real??
baltakatei@sopuli.xyz 3 hours ago
Chat, are we cooked?
Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
Maybe
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 20 hours ago
A real job I guess dies a lot of work here.
There’s nothing worse than being on a “make work” job, where you’re so silod off from the world there’s no connection from what you do to any meaningful outcome.
And that defines an incredibly large chunk of corporate jobs.
balderdash9@lemmy.zip 20 hours ago
Yeah, I think the reason behind the work plays a big role in our perception of it. If we are building an earthen wall to protect our friends and family from invaders, there is a finite amount of work that ends with a sense of accomplishment. If we are looking through the corporation’s quarterly reports in order to become a fraction of a percent more profitable, the work continues forever and the end result is meaningless.
prettybunnys@piefed.social 19 hours ago
“Being on standby” is torture.
No. Give me task. Let me do it. Let me be done.
Shellofbiomatter@lemmus.org 20 hours ago
In addition the physical direct aspect of the wall building. At least for me any manufacturing job suits exactly because at the end of the day there’s a literal physical representation of what i did. Later going to the store and having the recognition when seeing something i made.
There was no such connection when trying out office jobs or basically anything else besides manufacturing. Just doing some completely meaningless task the whole day and best case scenario is some random numbers going up.
So while manufacturing is physically tiring, office jobs are soul sucking and client service is just hell in all aspects.
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 17 hours ago
also “in the same way” - that’s a broad net
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 8 hours ago
well a streamer is a wealthy persons game, most of them come form wealthy families, or well off its not like they have a job themselves. like some new ones about pets, how did you afford a house and getting married right out of college yea the parents paid for it.
AWistfulNihilist@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
Like Olympians. It’s easy to reach when you have rocket boots and a safety net.
SoupBrick@pawb.social 19 hours ago
I mean, if you ignore the constant advocacy he does for rank and file workers and unions, alongside his repeated acknowledgement of his privilege, this would be a legitimate criticism if you left out the “in the same way”.
agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 17 hours ago
I don’t have any further context, but he’s got a point.
Sure, physical jobs are physically demanding and the monotony can be taxing. Even customer service jobs are mentally and emotionally taxing, but at the end of the day you’re just a rando in a uniform. You’re selling your skills and labor, you can be yourself off the clock.
Streaming is selling your personality, your perspectives, your values. With lots of viewers, you’re exposing yourself to criticism for every opinion you express. You basically live every day with your identity under the microscope of thousands of anonymous critics. Either you deal with constant character attacks, or you commodify your personality until it’s basically unrecognizable.
“Real jobs” don’t really attack your soul in the same way, because your soul isn’t the product. Aside from certain kinds of celebrities that are basically streamers anyway, it is a pretty unique struggle. At least actors are portraying characters, and can separate themselves from their roles. Streamers are the roles. The line between self and curated content is pretty heavily blurred, it really is a singular kind of soul-sucking.
mootny@sh.itjust.works 15 hours ago
Breaks my heart witnessing the struggle he has to go through day by day, selflessly giving his all, slaving away under the thumb of damn capitalist pigs. Stay strong comrade, working class unite 🫶
bearboiblake@pawb.social 10 hours ago
Omg you’re that guy who came in to argue with me about liberalism in the other thread, it makes complete sense that you’re a “fuck Hasan” guy. Are you an Asmongold fan?
AlfalFaFail@lemmy.ml 8 hours ago
Don’t know if anyone cares about context, but this Know Your Meme page gives some more.
Here’s a video explaining what he means.
OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 18 hours ago
Honestly the more I hear Hassan quotes the more I like him.
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
"Hey liberal, you were supposed to go high by cancelling Hazan, while I go low by continuing to promote Asmongold!"🤡
Vupware@lemmy.zip 17 hours ago
Every day I sit at my office desk and long for the days when honest work stocking shelves was my sole responsibility. It kept me active and it kept my mind occupied. I hate having an office job. I hate that I can’t eat junk food and I have to utilize my free time exercising. I hate my vapid and fake burgois coworkers. I hate the industry I’m in. I hate the politics. I hate the smell of the communal bathroom. I hate the finance bros.
sexy_peach@feddit.org 20 hours ago
Many real jobs, especially low income ones do in fact suck the soul out of you. I have tried for y’all.
sangeteria@lemmy.ml 15 hours ago
Feel like this is the first real ragebait post I’ve seen on Lemmy. Pretty good work OP! Quit drag
EtAl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 hours ago
I ain’t saying physical labor isn’t soul sucking, but here’s a video on what it’s like to be a creator subject to the Skinner box of YouTube.
theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
Then just get a real job.
Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
I thought this would get a lot more hate 😔
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
All in all its just
null@piefed.nullspace.lol 20 hours ago
Shocking.
PissingIntoTheWind@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
Y’all laugh. But being a celebrity is something people are not prepared for. It really is a curse for folks. I’d never want that life. As much money as I would make.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
I do think the streamer may have a point, but only in a bullshit jobs way. A job that actually improves the world has a sense of satisfaction that a job that’s either harmful or pointless lacks, and the latter does some damage to the psyche
NottaLottaOcelot@lemmy.ca 2 hours ago
But then he might chip his manicure
captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
He could probably get a desk job career that feels meaningful
Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
You say chip, what’s up?