Gorilladrums

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⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Bernie Sanders says that if AI makes us so productive, we should get a 4-day work week⁩ ⁨⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago⁩:
But we’re talking about different things though. I don’t disagree with the notion that the work week should decrease or that people should get more based on their production. We’re in total agreement here. I’m arguing that automation is going to bring about the apocalypse like the person I replied to implied because history shows us that this wasn’t the case when similar situations arose in the past. Technology does progress, the economy does evolve, old jobs and industries do die out, and people do lose their jobs because of it. But what is also true at the same time is that new jobs and industries do get created because of the new technology, and the people who lose their jobs do adapt and end up getting new roles that utilize their skill sets. People who get laid off don’t become forever useless, people aren’t that rigid.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Bernie Sanders says that if AI makes us so productive, we should get a 4-day work week⁩ ⁨⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago⁩:
My point isn’t based on an idea, it’s based on history. We’ve literally had the same thing happen before many, many times in the past.

Your arguments is based on the assumption that humans are static like sims characters. That they can only ever do one job, which isn’t true. You also know that it isn’t true, otherwise you wouldn’t appeal to extremes. There’s a lot in between being a truck driver and being a programmer that you’re intentionally skipping over. When people lose their jobs, they don’t automatically become eternally useless because they can’t do a highly specialized job that doesn’t utilize any of their skill sets, that’s not what history shows us. Instead, these people find other roles that use their skills.

In this case, truck drivers usually have skills like spatial awareness, logistics knowledge, mechanical aptitude, and time management. These skills are transferable, and other jobs do demand them. For example, they could work as safety inspectors or warehouse supervisors or logistics support or remote vehicle operators, field service support, and the list goes on and on. People adapt, that’s economies progress.

I don’t even understand what you’re argument is here. Should we just straight up freeze technological advancement and stop society from evolving because some people work outdated jobs? If things were left up to you, would you just not implement electric street lamps so lamplighters wouldn’t lose their jobs? You could make the some argument for people who work specialize for health insurance companies, so should we never have universal healthcare because these people might lose their jobs? It’s a ridiculous argument.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Bernie Sanders says that if AI makes us so productive, we should get a 4-day work week⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago⁩:
I don’t disagree with anything that you said, but my point was simply to address the notion that existing jobs are irreplaceable. It is true that technology automates away jobs, but it also creates new onee. Industries and jobs that make up the economy change all the time and that’s okay. Thinking that a new technology like AI is going to doom us is, well, just doom posting.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Bernie Sanders says that if AI makes us so productive, we should get a 4-day work week⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:
I would assume that there’s a balance to this. At some point the reduction of hours will result in a loss in productivity. You can do 5 days of work in 4 days if you’re better rested and more focused, but this might be less true in 3 days. I mean if studies show that there’s isn’t a dip productivity and that it improves well being, then sure, that would be great but I think it’s likely than a 4 day work week.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Bernie Sanders says that if AI makes us so productive, we should get a 4-day work week⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:
You can’t resist technology, it will ALWAYS win. Economies always strive to be more efficient, and people will always gravitate towards the convenience of efficiency. Because of this, new technologies get adopted all the time, and economies evolve with them.

Think about computers for a second. How many jobs have they created that didn’t exist 50 years ago? There were no online retailers or social media managers or youtubers or software engineers back then. These are all new jobs that were created recently, and they dominate our economy. Even traditional jobs that didn’t use computers before like an accountant, lawyer, or doctor do now because these are powerful tools.

But it’s not just computers, the same thing happened with the television, the radio, the telegraph, cars, trains, even light bulbs. Before, electric street lamps became a thing, cities used to hire lamplighters who would go around the streets lighting and extinguishing gas lamps. When electric street lamps started being adopted a lot of people complained about how this new technology is going to automate away jobs and hurt the economy… but it didn’t.

Instead, the economy specialized and people created new businesses and took on new jobs. The same thing will happen here. It’s simply going be the next major thing to evolve the economy, and we will adopt it and adapt to it just like the many different technologies before it.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Bernie Sanders says that if AI makes us so productive, we should get a 4-day work week⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:
The argument for a 4 day work week is that studies have shown it maintains the same level of productivity as a 5 day workweek, but it makes people happier, so it doesn’t slow down the economy, but actually improves it. What’s the argument for a 3 day work week?
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨bisexual⁩ ⁨⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:
I never understood biphobia, a bi person choosing to be in a relationship with you means that they chose you out of everybody. It should be a feeling of flattery, not paranoia.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨bisexual⁩ ⁨⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:
I mean it’s obviously different from person to person, but the gay people I’ve met, especially lesbians, have a genuine irrational fear and hatred of bi people. They’re terrified that bi people will cheat on them or will leave them for straight people. They see them as straight people who are pretending to be gay rather than actually being bi.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨bisexual⁩ ⁨⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:
The most biphobic people I’ve ever seen are gay people. They hate bi people more than your average straight homophobe hates gay people. It’s really weird.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Just one more⁩ ⁨⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:
All the highways in Massachusetts are like this
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Just one more⁩ ⁨⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago⁩:
That’s nasty
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Wise words⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
It is my firm opinion that all people are inherently stupid. We’re just apes that evolved to live in simple ape societies, but we somehow ended up living in insanely complex societies that are all interconnected with each other. It’s just too much for our ape brains to keep up with everything.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Why is lemmy so political?!⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
The issue with this take is that you assume that there is a direct correlation between kindness and civic engagement, which is not true. Someone can be genuinely kind but disengaged from civic duties due to a bunch of reasons ranging from personal to societal. Your take also equates passivity with malice, suggesting that if someone isn’t politically active, they’re morally flawed, which again isn’t true. The people who are the most politically obsessive, engaged, and vocal in the country are MAGA Republicans, and they are clearly not people who are kind… especially when you compare them to someone who’s apolitical but spends a lot of their time volunteering in their community.

But that’s the issue, your take is inherently flawed because you draw your moral superiority from two assumption. The first is that you assume that your views are objectively correct and are superior to others, and the second is that you assume people who are politically zealous or choose to be as such will end up having your views… Both of which are absurdly arrogant assumptions to have. Your views are neither objectively moral or superior, nor do politically active people share your views. In fact the vast, vast majority of people do not see things the way that you do.

There’s really no way you can justify your take because your digesting the world in absolutist terms. To you people are either politically active and share your views, thus are morally correct, or they’re inactive and are intentionally because evil or hostile. It’s such a polarizing and out of touch way to look at people and the world. If you are an example of the chronically online person who obsesses about politics 24/7, fine, but you have to acknowledge that the vast, vast majority of people do not think about politics 24/7, and that’s perfectly okay. Not only that, but just because most people aren’t zealots that does not mean they’re morally flawed or inferior. This holier than thou attitude is shows that your worldview is quite myopic.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Why is lemmy so political?!⁩ ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
But you’re conflating two different things. Someone who doesn’t think about politics 24/7 isn’t necessarily politically unaware or politically unactive. It just means that they understand there’s more to life than politics. You can recognize that politics has more influence on your life than other things, but it’s not the only influence on your life nor is it everything in life. I mean you lived through it, you should know as well as I do that even during blackouts and war, people still find ways to do things life that isn’t politics.

Something this basic seems to be beyond comprehension for Lemmy users for some reason.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨The future of warfare is now⁩ ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
The only difference is that people are actually honest about all of these conflicts. They acknowledge who is a fault and what has actually happened. You lack that honesty, hence why you’re using the whataboutism fallacy here to keep dismissing criticism and distracting from the arguments being made instead of addressing them directly. You know you can’t defend the evils that Russia is committing on their own merits, and so you resort to fallacies. If you were able to then would’ve just owned up to the fact that you’re piece of shit who supports the evils that Russia is committing, but you’re not arguing in good faith.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Why is lemmy so political?!⁩ ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
You’re so dishonest it’s unbelievable. Nobody is arguing with you on your political opinions, that’s not the point of contention. You can think whatever you want, that’s your problem and right. What I was saying is that normal people don’t think about politics 24/7 like terminally online Lemmy users. People treat politics like they do any other subject. There are times when they think about, talk about it, and take action on it, and times where they don’t. It’s really simple as that.

This idea that people you deem as non privileged think about politics all day everyday is not reality. That’s an out of touch assumption that you made up to justify an inaccurate worldview you have. People not thinking about politics 24/7 doesn’t mean they don’t care about politics or that they ignore politics, it means that there’s more to life than politics. People who do spend all their time talking and thinking about politics aren’t normal, those are zealots, they’re fanatics. This is not a new or controversial, this was literally always the case.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨The future of warfare is now⁩ ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
No, fuck off moron. Russia started this war, they’re committing a genocide, and they’re 100% responsible for ALL of it. Trying to “both sides” the most obviously one sided conflict in the world by blaming the victims for defending themselves puts you and your shitty ideology in the same tier as nazis, which sounds about right for Marxism. You support and defend Russia’s imperialist genocide, you’re morally reprehensible.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨The future of warfare is now⁩ ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
You will never find anybody as morally reprehensible as Marxists who support and defend Russia’s genocide in Ukraine. Go fuck yourself Russian shill
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨The future of warfare is now⁩ ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
They’re so desperate they literally buying shit from North Korea at a premium
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Why is lemmy so political?!⁩ ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
It’s ironic how everything you said here applies directly to you.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Why is lemmy so political?!⁩ ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
You’re not a normal person, literally go outside and touch grass.

Normal people have political opinions, they do discuss politics, but that’s not their every thought. It might be shocking for you to hear, but people actually have lives outside of arguing about politics. This is true for people all around the world, rich or poor, old or young, male or female. Even in the most dire of circumstances, people find ways to enjoy life and not think about stressful things all the time. Otherwise they would be miserable all the time… like you.

Pointing out the reality is not “tasting the boot”, that’s just a cop out made by people on this site whenever their shitty opinions get exposed or pushed back. It’s a lazy way to dismiss criticism or opinions that contradict their extremely narrow and out of touch worldview. Come back to me when you actually go outside and talk to people from different backgrounds. Until then, you’re a zealot.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Why is lemmy so political?!⁩ ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
I literally lived in Iraq and Syria for a big portion of my life, and I spent even more time living in the inner cities of the US. Some braindead Lemmy user trying to accuse me of being privileged from their mother’s basement is exactly the type of ignorance that I expect from users on this site.

If people in literal warzones and in poverty can distinguish politics from everything else, then so can everybody else. This idea that people in bad circumstances think about politics 23/7 is not reality. This is an ignorant idea made by ideologues for ideologues. Even during the war in Iraq, people had weddings, they went to visit each other’s houses, they celebrated holidays, they talk about trivial things, and so on. Do you know why that’s the case? It’s because they’re people. You clearly don’t view them as such, hence you hold on to such an out of touch belief.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Why is lemmy so political?!⁩ ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
That’s a wild assumption to have based on nothing. The reasons why someone spends so much time or very little time thinking about politics could be radically different. There are a lot of people who make politics their lives but are willfully ignorant, selfish assholes. This site is a prime example of that. At the same time there are very kind, well meaning people who don’t think about politics. This isn’t something that’s black and white.
⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Why is lemmy so political?!⁩ ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:
Only zealots think like this. Politics is not everything, it is a topic like any other. If you can’t have a conversation with another person or enjoy an activity without thinking about politics, then you’re spending too much time online.