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  • UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

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    • UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

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    • slaacaa@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Also, many physical health problems are also a direct result of capitalism

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  • taiyang@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    It might be because the moon is falling in 3 days.

    Which… I guess is due to capitalism (Happy Mask Salesman peddling Majora’s Mask) or maybe the male loneliness epidemic (Skull Kid has no friends).

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    • JasonDJ@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      The investors that run all the shops in Hyrule have determined that they can use the male loneliness epidemic to redirect mens anger towards women, and then towards other minorities, so that they don’t start getting angry at the capitalists.

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  • renzhexiangjiao@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    if it’s only “lately” then it can’t be capitalism

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    • Olgratin_Magmatoe@slrpnk.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Surely the economic wellbeing of your average citizen can’t get worse over time and therefore be a “lately” thing. It’s not like food, housing, and healthcare are getting more expensive.

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    • HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      geologically lately.

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    • explodicle@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Regardless of whether we think capitalism is good or not, it’s gone into overdrive since the fall of the Soviet Union. And whether or not we recognize this as capitalism, it’s been failing hard since the bailouts started.

      The economy we live in today is neither democratic nor competitive.

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      • Karl@literature.cafe ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Soon each country will have dictators and a nobility

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    • causepix@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I didn’t think I’d have to say this, but the conditions in which we exist are created by the system under which we exist. As Kamala said, you didn’t just fall out of a coconut tree.

      It also wasn’t just smooth sailing up to this point; capitalism suffers crises like these on a regular basis. For example, the 15 recessions just in the years between great depression (1929) and the COVID-19 pandemic (2020).

      A system is designed to do what it does. If it doesn’t do what the designers intended, it gets changed. Otherwise, it stays the same. You would think if these results were unintended, the system would have been changed by now.

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    • _AutumnMoon_@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      the moon probably perceives “lately” differently from humans since it is billions of years old

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  • Vincentmario@feddit.uk ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    It’s very convenient that the explanation for a complex series of problems is reducible to just ‘capitalism’. Isn’t it like saying WWI only started because of the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand?

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    • LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      You sound like someone who’s on the winning side of capitalism and you can’t comprehend how capitalism is making most people suffer.

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      • skye@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        And you sound like someone who jumps to conclusions too quickly about people and you can’t comprehend someone not having a reductionist take on generalised human suffering.

        I don’t think anyone here is denying people suffer from capitalism, i think they’re just saying capitalism is a factor rather than the only cause, similar to how the Archduke’s assassination was a factor among many in starting WW1.

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      • JasonDJ@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        He doesn’t have to be on the winning side as long as the capitalists (that own all the news media) can convince him that he is.

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    • explodicle@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Alright, here’s your last question. What was the cause of the Civil War?

      Actually, there were numerous causes. Aside from the obvious schism between abolitionists and anti-abolitionists, economic factors, both domestic and international-

      Hey, hey!

      Yeah?

      Just say slavery.

      Slavery it is, sir.

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      • Vincentmario@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        The civil war has a clearly dominant causal factor that historians overwhelmingly agree upon. Modern socio economic issues don’t have that same level of single cause consensus. That’s why boiling everything down to ‘capitalism’ is overly reductive

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      • hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Ah yes, “the” civil war.

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    • Aneb@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Its literally the plot of the Good Place, there is no ethical and moral consumption under capitalism. We need a well regulated economy if we want the middle class to grow again, still not ethical but it would put food in my stomach.

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      • Vincentmario@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        I’m glad we agree capitalism has problems

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      • slackassassin@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

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  • Gorilladrums@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    We’ll regulated capitalism is unironically the greatest human innovation. I’m glad the world is not as brain dead as Lemmy on this.

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    • _AutumnMoon_@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      no the greatest human invention is the dvd rewinder

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      • Gorilladrums@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Which is a product of capitalist innovation

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    • DarkAri@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Probably fertilizer tbh, but capitalism always likes to steal the glory from technological progress, and claims to be freedom although nearly everyone is poor and forced to work for slave wages. Then capitalists point to the most authoritarian countries in history and say, see socialism sucks. Like no bro, Russia sucks, Russia has been a shit hole with every form of government they had, because they are authoritarians.

      Funny how capitalists always ignore the good socialist societies that are highly regulated free markets with strong workers and consumer protection laws and fairly high taxes and strong welfare states, but they ignore all the terrible capitalist societies all over the world. It’s a miracle that a capitalist economy isn’t a miserable shit hole, but that requires self awareness and actually researching and educating yourself, not listening to some dick in a 15,000 dollar suit, from a corporate funded think tank thats only job is to push capitalist propaganda, or distract people from realizing socialism is better.

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      • Gorilladrums@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Probably fertilizer tbh, but capitalism always likes to steal the glory from technological progress

        What are you even on about? Modern synthetic fertilizer, which is what’s responsible for the dramatic increase in food production, is quite literally a product of capitalist innovation in 19th and 20th century Western Europe and North America. Just about every single major development was researched, developed, replicated, applied, and mass produced in capitalist societies.

        claims to be freedom although nearly everyone is poor and forced to work for slave wages.

        This is nonsensical ideological drivel. Reality is actually quite different. Capitalism has brought up the global standards of living to such a degree that extreme poverty is now almost eliminated. We went from having around 90% of the global population living in extreme poverty just 200 years ago to around 10% now. That is a massive shift. What caused it? Capitalism. Want examples? Look at what happened in China after they adopted capitalism in the late 1970s and early 1980s or Western Europe after WWII or Japan after WWII or South Korea after the Korean war or Singapore and Hong Kong post British control. Just about every country that has adopted capitalism has seen their standard of living improve.

        Then capitalists point to the most authoritarian countries in history and say, see socialism sucks.

        Can you point to any Marxist state that did not end up being authoritarian? Because history seems to show there’s a pretty strong correlation between the two.

        Funny how capitalists always ignore the good socialist societies that are highly regulated free markets with strong workers and consumer protection laws and fairly high taxes and strong welfare states

        You clearly have no idea what you’re talking about because socialist societies, by definition, do NOT have free markets whatsoever, they don’t have taxes, they don’t consumer protection laws, and they don’t welfare programs. These are exclusively capitalist concepts. Socialism is, again, by definition, a centrally planned economy where the “public” (read: government) own all the means of production. Since they control all the resources, revenue, and production, they don’t need to tax, provide protection laws, have free markets, or provide welfare programs… they just directly allocate the resources. If you think Norway or Denmark are socialist then you’re not qualified enough for this discussion, because these are capitalist societies through and through.

        they ignore all the terrible capitalist societies all over the world.

        Nobody is ignoring bad societies, but what we’re looking at here is trends among economic systems, and the data is crystal clear that capitalist societies fair far better than their socialist counterparts. This implies that one system is better than the other, and it is based on the results.

        It’s a miracle that a capitalist economy isn’t a miserable shit hole

        but that requires self awareness and actually researching and educating yourself, not listening to some dick in a 15,000 dollar suit, from a corporate funded think tank thats only job is to push capitalist propaganda, or distract people from realizing socialism is better.

        This is just arrogance that comes from ignorance, which is the worst kind of all. You think way too highly of yourself. Do you honestly think you know better than the tens of thousands of economists all over the world who specialize in this field? Do you think you’re bullshit research of lazily scrolling through propaganda on Lemmy or Youtube is more valid than the field of economics vast amounts wisdom, research, and knowledge that been accumulating for decades, if not centuries? Get real. Just because you listen to some sleazebag propagandist and shills who push the shitty ideology of socialism, doesn’t mean you can project that on to everybody else who doesn’t buy into the same nonsense you bought into.

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    • bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Yeah but it cant exist well regulated because of how it is. Then again humans suck so all systems have downsides.

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      • Gorilladrums@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Capitalism is not a static system. It’s incredible power comes from the competition between different forces vying to get an advantage over the others. Workers, the government, businesses, investors are all competing to get what’s best for them. Regulations have to be fought for and protected by every generation. So things like education and participating in civic responsibilities are crucial. It’s similar to democracy, keeping capitalism well regulated is like keeping a democratic society free, it’s something that has to always be actively sought after. That’s how it’s meant to work.

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    • Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      The greatest human invention murdered hundreds of millions through colonialism?

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      • Gorilladrums@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Colonialism is not a product of capitalism or vice versa. If anything, capitalist principles are what led to the end of colonialism after WWII. Free trade and global integration is what ended the era of colonialism. This of course not mentioning that Marxist countries like the Soviet Union had colonies.

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  • finitebanjo@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    What’s your opinion on NATO?

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    • bobo1900@startrek.website ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      The main reason why Europe didn’t get invaded

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      • Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Yeah, if it weren’t for NATO making EU subservient to the US, it would have been invaded by them.

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    • explodicle@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      They appear to be focused on capitalist Russia

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      • finitebanjo@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        I don’t like to make assumptions, I wait for them to answer so I can judge their sincerity.

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  • Tetragrade@leminal.space ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    They don’t know about the dark god of Capital that slumbers inside the moon.

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  • PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    it sucks to be the moon

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  • dontknowme@feddit.nl ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    *Technofeudalism

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