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Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
I don’t hate AI, LLMs are incredibly powerful tools that have an incredibly wide range of uses. The technology itself is something that’s very exciting and promising.
What I do hate is how they’re being used by large corporations. A small handful of big tech companies (Google, Microsoft, Facebook, OpenAI, etc) decided to take this technology and pursue it in the greediest ways possible:
When put all of this together, then it’s easy to understand why people hate AI. This is what people oppose, and rightfully so. These corporations created a massive bubble and put our economy at risk of a major recession, they’re destabilizing our infrastructure, destroying our environment, they’re corrupting our government, they’re forcing tens of thousands of people into dire financial situations by laying them off, they’re eroding our privacy and rights, and they’re harming our mental health… and for what? I’ll tell you, all of this is done so a few greedy billionaires could squeeze a few more dollars so they could buy their 5th yacht, 9th private jet, or 7th McMansion. Fuck them all.
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I think it’s interesting, that they can steal all this stuff and yet be unable to figure out how to sell it.
All the money, all the data, all the energy, all the computer power, all the political control. And yet, they can’t manage to sell a single dollar worth of their product.
Of course it’ll be shittified by commericals in and out of the content, and of course that will lead to paid models, but it’s not going to be very profitable, because nobody _really _needs bad intelligence. “Oh, it costs something? No thanks then, we already have intelligence at home.”
Yes yes, the users are the product, yes, but who then is buying that user data? Commercials and stuff yeah yeah, but at what point does any of this manifest itself as a single fucking sales transaction where a real person pays a company for a real product? Fucking never.
The whole thing is worthless.
they can’t manage to sell a single dollar worth of their product.
Ohh don’t worry, that’s not how this works :)
We’re still in the venture capital stage. The companies are circle-jerking, paying each other off with venture funds and stock splits. They don’t need to be making money at this point because they’re already getting everything they ask for.
Those $50-$200 packages from all the big companies are just there to get people used to the idea. They’re making all their money on selling each other useless support chatbots and horrible phone systems claiming they can reduce their staff by half. Well, they could always reduce their staff by half, customers have had to deal with shitty wait times for years.
You’ll pay for AI by the prices of your software rising. Those costs are absorbed and passed on to you as micro-transactions inside your actual subscriptions and payments.
Once they managed to get the AI intertwined in every system out there, they’re free to collude as a market and raise prices slowly. AI will be the cost of software inflation and hardware shortages that make anyone with a datacenter or enterprise hardware manufacturing capacity very, very rich.
It could even be that in the end, this isn’t a bubble, it’s just a grift and it never pops, but because so expensive that your average person can barely eat if they expect to use software tools for their work.
pulsewidth@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
When people say “I fucking hate AI”, 99% of the time they mean “I fucking hate AI™©®”. They don’t mean the technology behind it.
To add to your good points, I’m a CS grad that studied neural networks and machine learning years back, and every time I read some idiot claiming something like “this scientific breakthrough has got scientists wondering if we’re on the cusp of creating a new species of superintelligence” or “90% of jobs will be obsolete in five years” it annoys me because its not real, and it’s always someone selling something. Today’s AI is the same tech they’ve been working on for 30+ years and incrementally building upon, but as Moore’s Law has marched on we now have storage pools and computing power to run very advanced models and networks. There is no magic breakthrough, just hype.
The recent advancements are all driven by the $1500 billion spent on grabbing as many resources they could - all because some idiots convinced them it’s the next gold rush. What has that $1500 bil got us? Machines that can answer general questions correctly around 40% of the time, plagiarize art for memes, create shallow corporate content that nobody wants, and write some half-decent code cobbled together from StackOverflow and public GitHub repos.
What a fucking waste of resources.
What’s real is the social impacts, the educational impacts, the environmental impacts, the effect on artists and others who have had their work stolen for training, the useability of the Internet (search is fucked now), and what will be very real soon is the global recession/depression it causes as businesses realize more and more that it’s not worth the cost to implement or maintain (in all but very few scenarios).
devedeset@lemmy.zip 18 hours ago
I’m really split with it. I’m not a 10x “rockstar” <insert modern buzzword> programmer, but I’m a good programmer. I’ve always worked at small companies with small teams. I can figure out how to parse requirements, choose libraries/architecture/patterns, and develop apps that work.
Using Copilot has sped my work up by a huge amount. I do have 10 YoE before Copilot existed. I can use it to help write good code much faster. It may not be perfect, but it wouldn’t have been perfect without it. The thing is I have enough experience to know when it is leading me down the wrong path, and that still happens pretty often. What it helps with is implementing common patterns, especially with common libraries. It basically automates the “google the library docs/stackoverflow and use code there as a starting point” aspect of programming.
But yeah search is completely fucked now. I don’t know for sure but I would guess stackoverflow use is way down. It does feel like many people are being pigeonholed into using the LLM tools because they are the only things that sort of work. There’s also the vibe coding phenomenon where people without experience will just YOLO out pure tech debt, especially with the latest and greatest languages/libraries/etc where the LLMs don’t work very well because there isn’t enough data.
Metju@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
LLMs are an okay’ish tool if your code style is not veering from what 99% of the open-sourced codebase looks like. Use any fringe concept in a language (for example, treat errors as values in languages ridden with exceptions, use functional concepts in an OOP language) and you will have problems.
Also, this crap tends to be an automated copy-paste. Which is especially bad when it skips on abstracting away a concept you would notice if you were to write the code yourself.
Source: own experience 😄
devedeset@lemmy.zip 16 hours ago
Totally agree. In my day to day work, I’m not dealing with anything groundbreaking. Everything I want/need to code has already been done.
if you have a Copilot license and are using the newest Visual Studio, it enables the agentic capabilities by default. It will actually write the code into your files directly. I have not done that and will not do that. I want to see and understand what it is trying to do.
pulsewidth@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
I agree it’s great at writing and frame-working parts of code and selecting libraries - it definitely has value for coding. $1500 bil value though, I doubt.
My main concern there lies in the next gen of programmers. The work that ChatGPT (and Claude etc) outputs requires some significant programming prior-experience to allow them to make sense of the output and adjust (or correct) it to suit their scope and requirements of the project. In additions it’s taking away the entry-level work that junior devs usually do and have cleaned up for prod by senior devs - and that’s not theory, the job market is dying now.