Fucking hell
Just gotta keep making the world as hostile as possible to teenagers.
Australians banned social media. Now they are worried about teenagers going outside with e-bikes
Submitted 2 weeks ago by Daswi@sh.itjust.works to mildlyinfuriating@lemmy.world
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VitoRobles@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
ivanafterall@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This is such a gross oversimplification, it’s insane. They could also join the military.
faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
Hey, a couple might be really good at football.
dellish@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
We’re trying very hard to make the world a hostile place, but climate change won’t really kick in until the next generation.
fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
It’s fucking disgusting. I have every part of this abusive shit. We have to fight back
fizzle@quokk.au 2 weeks ago
“We really recognise the tremendous opportunity that ebikes can offer for getting anyone, including younger people, from A to B, independently,” McLean said. “[It] is a really, really positive thing that connects them to education, to work, to social things and communities as well.
“There’s lots of benefits that go along with them, but when we have really high powered ebikes and people driving them dangerously and without helmets, then they certainly pose a significant risk.”
Seems like a pretty balanced take honestly.
FartsWithAnAccent@fedia.io 2 weeks ago
If it goes faster than 28 mph, has a motor more powerful than 1000w, or lacks usable pedals, it's not an e-bike at all. People riding these things get people who ride actual electric bicycles fucked over though, which is unfortunate because electric assisted bicycles open up a lot of opportunities for people who are elderly or have other physical disabilities.
I am all for making e-moto and e-bikes legally distinct but punishing cyclists because of e-moto bullshit is a stupid decision. Also, parents who buy their kids motorcycles with no training, safety gear, or evaluation of their child's judgement should be held accountable instead of the people who are just trying to get to work on an e-bike.
fizzle@quokk.au 2 weeks ago
Yeah I completely agree. This exact issue kind of triggers me, and I did draft a longer diatribe complaining about exactly this, which I didn’t post.
I have an assortment of bikes including e-bikes, all of which I love equally. They’re truly amazing machines.
If you purchase a $200 k-mart commuter, and a $400 wheel hub motor and battery from temu, then perch a 12 year old precariously in the saddle that’s not an e-bike it’s an unregistered unregulated electric motorbike. This type of set up can easily achieve 50km/h with the majority more like 60km/h and some exceeding 80km/h.
The bikes just aren’t built for this kind of stress, and the people riding them don’t have a reasonable understanding of the risks. They scream around on bike paths weaving around kids and babies in strollers.
The current rules here in west aus (as I understand them) merely allow pedal assist up to 25 km/h. Critically, that means the bike can allow you to switch between modes providing more or less assistance, but no throttle. Additionally a lot of the temu bikes require you to move the pedals but do not require you to provide any effort - the pedals moving is more like a switch that allows the motor to engage.
The basic problem is that existing legislation just isn’t sufficient. Guilting parents isn’t enough. There needs to be better laws, and they need to be actively policed.
0x0@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
parents who
How dare you blame the parents!?
~/s~
Nuerion@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
you expect other people commenting to actually read the article?
Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
If the media won’t generate the click bait lemmy’s demand, they’ll create it themselves.
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
I hope Australian kids annoy adults enough that this moral panic about social media dies from adults just giving up because kids resort to even more annoying behavior, that would be poetic justice.
BenderRodriguez@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Moral panic? Dude, social media is a fucking scourge. It’s not some 80s Satanic panic bullshit. It seriously hurts kids.
moonshadow@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
The answer is simple: ban teens
ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
That’s pretty much it. Ban them from congregating in parking lots. Ban them from malls. But if your kid has friends over and one sneaks beer and has a wreck, you’re getting sued. But don’t discipline your kids or that’s abuse. Also, if you kid has a vape at school, they are getting a criminal charge. Whatever you do, don’t allow kids to exist, especially with other kids outside of your house, but also, don’t let them be entertained when they’re bored either.
My point is, maybe it’s all too complicated and there should be a different approach.
hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Maybe if we started treating people as human beings regardless of age? Or is that too radical?
charade_you_are@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
if you ban them from dancing, there are going to be a lot of rebellious movies that get made.
faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
To quote somebody famous: “Teenagers scare the living shit out of me”
bryndos@fedia.io 2 weeks ago
if you don't institute battle royal, you'll pretty soon end up with mad max.
hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
“Why aren’t the kids going outside anymore?” “Why are there kids outside?!”
Let teens exist in public spaces for fuck’s sake.
fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
They’re not allowed to have any sort of freedom anywhere, online or off. That’s the point of all these evil laws and that’s why we must resist
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Let me rephrase: Australians concerned about children on vehicles that can go 25mph with no requirement for a license or training.
starlinguk@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
25 kph, not mph. Which isn’t very fast.
FartsWithAnAccent@fedia.io 2 weeks ago
That's pretty close to my average speed and I'm just a commuter on a 30lb hardtail MTB with shitty infrastructure. I'd wager anyone who can ride a bike can easily go faster than that on a flat, even if they weren't a regular rider.
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I googled top e-bike speeds.
FartsWithAnAccent@fedia.io 2 weeks ago
You can go 25mph and faster on a bicycle no problem, I reject the argument that e-bikes (not e-moto) are a significant danger. That's mostly cabrain propaganda that people who chose to stop thinking accept.
EtherWhack@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Not unless you are are really gunning it and on a fitted road bike.
There is a pretty big psychological aspect to it in that without putting in the work, you can become disconnected in how fast you are accelerating/moving. With bicycles you tend to work up the speed as you start to understand and get comfortable with what you are riding; a process that isn’t really present with e-bikes.
Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus 2 weeks ago
The issue is more that they sell 500-1000W ebikes that are not specced for road usage, only for riding on private ground - and then hand them to teenagers. As so often, the parents are the issue, not the teens. As so often, everyone will pay the price for it through stricter regulation.
fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
Honestly 1000 W would be nice for going up steep hills. My 500 W one struggles on the one on my commute
9point6@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
A dude got up to 90mph on a bike just off his own steam before
I remember all the adverts when I was a kid telling me that if I got hit by a car at 30mph there was a 90% chance I’d live (this was the happy path of the advert). This is also cars ostensibly driven by licensed people.
E-bikes with a 25mph limiter are not a risk if we allow cars in the same space as pedestrians
OneWomanCreamTeam@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
25 kmph, that’s about 15 mph.
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yeah sure, but we’re not going to create laws just for Lance fucking Armstrong.
franzfurdinand@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
90 on a bike? That’s nuts, do you have a link to that? I’d like to see what kind of a machine that is
pedz@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
The article doesn’t mention any “miles per hour”. Do people in Australia use mph?
In December, the NSW premier, Chris Minns, announced a plan to halve ebikes’ power – and therefore reduce their top speeds – to 250 watts…
starlinguk@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
No. It’s kph. Ebikes are restricted to 25 kph.
Disposabledoughman@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Maybe ban Australia from having people. Problem solved
bhamlin@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yeah, I was going to say that the problem actually appears to be children.
0x0@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
No, the problem is that parenting became a bad word or something, so you have feral critters loud mouthing and sometimes assaulting their own parents, who in turn complain the government should fix it.
But it’s never the parents’ fault…
Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Just wait until all those teen grow up and figure out that old farts on social media are responsible.
Thisisme@thelemmy.club 2 weeks ago
Yeah, they can wipe thier own ass when they are in a care home!
GreenBeard@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Unfortunately the old farts on social media were once the teens being treated like criminals for existing. It’s a cycle. Yesterday’s rebels become tomorrow’s pearl clutchers.
fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
Statistically kids these days are better behaved
Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Define old fart? To me a old fart is in their late 60 early 70’s. This is the boomers. They were the first true generation of plenty. They were promised a good life and they had one unless they were foolish with the opportunity. Let me assure you they have been against any ones freedom except their own from the start.
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I dunno, can’t parents just keep their kids in a box till they’re 18 and can become productive, compliant wage slaves, like everyone else.
/s
Donebrach@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I mean banning teens seems a pretty good policy.
Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
How do you know their age?
FinishingDutch@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
You cut them in half and count the rings.
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It mentions it in the article.
devolution@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Beware! The anti fun police are in effect!
Proprietary_Blend@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Your throwing stick trick has boomeranged on us!
SabinStargem@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Australia, a prison state created for inmates, and perpetuated as such by their descendants. As a foreigner looking in, I think that Aussies would be best served by ditching the colonial prison mindset. You and the kids are allowed to have fun, if you ignore the specter of the Crown that created your nation.
themaninblack@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I recently left an Aussie company whose shot caller was someone who was massively in favour of the social media ban and kept close tabs on her teenage kids’ phones. Ran the company like that, and it’s going under.
Delphia@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Does “people who live in glass houses shouldnt throw stones” translate into American? Half of the rest of the world wakes up every day wondering if your leader has started WW3 over a twitter beef.
But no, you have fun.
SabinStargem@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Just because America is in a crappy state, is no excuse for Australians or anyone else on a given patch of dirt to allow their nation be enshittified. You should consider America as a warning, of what can happen if your politics become rotten.
CovfefeKills@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I met one of these teens on a train he showed me a few news clips he was in with like 100 other teens on ebikes and scooters lol
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
all yall folk running hamburger software: 25kph is around 15mph and change. 4 minute miles. Really fast sprints.
Omgpwnies@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
and 25km/h isn’t super fast on a bike either, at least not for someone in reasonably ok shape and a bike that’s somewhat configured for cycling on roads.
moonshadow@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
I could go for a burg about now
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
we got this great burg place at the other The City. they have a vegan The Fryer for their fries so i can actually eat the fries. fuckin good fries, fuckin good beer (i wouldn’t know, i don’t know beer, but my buddies say it’s fuckin good) fuckin good burgs. I gotta go back. Unfortunately we lost out on the raffle for Banana League tickets so we will just have to go to a regular baseball game like chumps.
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Theoriginalthon@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Nothing to do with social media, all to do with at what point and electric bicycle becomes an electric motorcycle and the lack of laws and regulations keeping up with it. It used to be easy if the thing was making a noise, due to petrol engine, it’s a motorbike. It’s happening in every country and it feels like Chinese manufacturers are making all the money whilst the rest of the world catches up.
atrielienz@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I know of a guy who had his driver’s license permanently revoked because he racked up so many DUI’s. He lived in rural Indiana, and bought a moped because they didn’t require a license to drive. Obvious he did not stop driving drunk.
But also, the moped did in fact make noise.
moonshadow@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
In the western United States, a shitty mountain bike with a sub-55cc 2 stroke motor bolted on is known as a “duicycle”
yogurt@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Nah it’s about being mad at teenagers or just mad at not driving a car. The US under Biden passed ebike regulations that are already a lot more strict than just a limit where it becomes a motorcycle, but a bunch of (mostly Democrat) states are either banning all ebikes period or banning most of the federal regulation classes because if Gavin Newsom sees a black kid have fun he instantly becomes Ronald Reagan.
Nastybutler@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I’m my community a couple of years ago some middle aged guy assaulted a teen who was riding his Surron (non peddle ebike/motorcycle) in the park. Was he speeding? Probably, but that doesn’t excuse what that twat did. For the most part kids on these types of bikes aren’t the problem.
Our real problem has been pre teens on 110cc dirt bikes. They ride in groups and have been literally terrorizing people. I talked to one lady who had to put her horse down when they scared it and caused it to break a leg. Then the laughed at her and rode off. The police can’t catch them, though they’ve tried, but not that hard since they could actually do some simple detective work if they wanted to
Delphia@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
As an Australian the problem is largely what you imagine.
An unregulated industry brought in bikes that were closer to motorbikes than pushbikes and parents didnt do their due diligence on it. The same industry also brought in a huge amount of bikes that were perfectly sane when stock but were literally childs play to turn into something closer to a motorbike. Now the vast majority of kids went out and did kid shit and they were slightly annoying, a not insignificant number of them got hurt, but there was no real outcry.
The govt as governments are want to do reacted way too fucking slowly in putting sane limitations on what could and couldnt be sold and hold manufacturers and importers accountable. In their defence partly because 90% of them are coming out of china and the govt arent idiots in that they know how easy it would be for an importer to find a new frontman and the Chinese manufacturer to rebrand and force them to play whackamole and partly because they are very popular among adults and people who arent riding them like dickheads AND they didnt want to look anti-green by discouraging people to find car alternatives.
But Here come the fuckwits like takeovers are to “legitimate” street racing on quiet backroads, kids started doing wheelies through shopping centers while filming it for the gram, deciding it would be funny to absolutely destroy the grass and surfacing on local sporting fields and swerving in and out of traffic in 80 zones.
Its not that the cops dont care, the cops know what the reality is that if they start trying to catch them, the kids will run and eventually someones “good boy who never hurt anyone and loved to laugh” is going “to be chased to his death over a modified E-bike and the police are the reason for his death” regardless of what prompted them to chase him in the first place.
All in all its a 3 layer shit sandwich.
JoMiran@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
I better not see any Gen-X removed about “kids on bikes”. Don’t be a hypocrite.
HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
I know exactly how to solve this “problem” … Convert the golf courses into bike tracks.
abbiistabbii@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
So you can’t talk online and you can’t go out on a bike to meet your friends.
Just sounds like they want kids to be miserable.
waz@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
The article has nothing to do with social media, the only mention of it is how adults put a comment on FB about antisocial behaviour of ebike riders. And clearly the clip of ripping up a golf course is antisocial. So actually the issue is, like in the UK, illegal emotorbikes that people should be prosecuted for.
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
sounds like a good thing. man do i miss actually going out and meeting people. i mean, i can go out, but i’m mostly alone, idk where everyone else is, the world feels so empty, devoid of people in it
Sharkticon@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Seems like a pretty big logical leep to link the two things.
DGen@piefed.zip 2 weeks ago
“when we were your age, fun was illegal!!!”..
I really hope I never become this.
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
oh man, kids with bikes?! Get them inside!
Let kids ride bikes and have fun outside together. It’s healthy, it’s what we all did growing up for generations.
They find stuff to do and it will make them better people.
Kolanaki@pawb.social 2 weeks ago
Just ban teenagers. 🤷♂️
0x0@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Cars have regulation.
Motorcycles have regulation.
Bicycles… used to have regulation but don’t do that you anti-green scum.So… regulation?
Is the vehicle specced and road-legal? Does it have a a license plate? Insurance? Is the driver licensed to drive that?
No? Fine the driver.
Driver’s a minor? Fine the parents.I’m not a fan of regulation and cops have better things to do, but i think the (heavy) penalties should befall the parents.
everett@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
They are the mods
Egonallanon@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
“Get off your phones and meet people your age in real life!” “Wait not like that!”
Feels like kids can’t win these days.
bajabound@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Can’t wait for the e-bike gang wars of '26.
RaoulDuke25@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
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BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
They can’t because people are irrational and stupid with regards to protecting children.
fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
It’s definitely on purpose
Virtvirt588@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Teens especially, since that law was catered more towards children. These days, teens are being disregarded and grouped in with children, even if they are vastly different.
fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
The essential distinguishing factor.between who.is and who isn’t given adult rights isn’t developmental psychology, it’s weather you cam get away with denying them rights
bampop@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
You let them leave the house and meet up with friends, next thing you know they are riding around on bikes! Where will it end?
ThomasWilliams@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
How do you think they arranged the meet ?