Tons of comments, but no answer from an actual horse.
Why do horses allow humans to ride on their backs?
Submitted 1 month ago by TheImpressiveX@lemmy.today to [deleted]
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Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
smeenz@lemmy.nz 1 month ago
As a horse, I would have replied, but everyone would just call me a neigh-sayer
hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
I thought that only spiders were on the interwebs?
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
Way to be a neigh-sayer =P
slazer2au@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Because we spent generations training and breeding them to allow us.
Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 1 month ago
and we then train the domesticated horses from a young age that letting us ride on them is something they WANT to do, because they get snacks and scritches and they get to go outside more.
IWW4@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
It is called breaking them.
SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 1 month ago
TeamAssimilation@infosec.pub 1 month ago
TL;DR: Submission by cringe
BootLoop@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
How did you find a video of me with my cat??
RebekahWSD@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Cat lives to tower over horses lmao
tpyo@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Awww I loved that! The horse was weirded out but mostly ok. His body language was calm and he followed her when she walked away, which is a sign it respects you and sees you as someone to trust and follow
blockheadjt@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Why do the proletariat allow the bourgeoisie to ride on their backs?
disregardable@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
We bred them to be amenable to it and we teach them to do it from the time they are babies.
SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
I wish horses had the gene dogs have that makes them good boys that love people
TheRealKuni@piefed.social 1 month ago
Horses are just bigger, dumber dogs.
Flauschige_Lemmata@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Usually we teach them from the time they are 3 years old. So basically when they are teens
Redditmodstouchgrass@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
This. The other comments have been watching too many cowboy movies.
communism@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
They get trained. Think about humans for example. There’s lots of stuff we don’t think twice about doing that aren’t necessarily things we would naturally do; they’re taught to us socially and we get used to them as part of life. Horses were domesticated, firstly selectively bred to be friendlier to humans and faster, but secondly they still get trained to form a bond with humans and to do what humans want them to do. They get used to being ridden.
gedaliyah@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Why do humans allow cats to ride in their arms?
seathru@quokk.au 1 month ago
Toxoplasmosis
GreyEyedGhost@piefed.ca 1 month ago
Best. Parasite. Ever.
guy@piefed.social 1 month ago
Because that fucker are not allowed on the kitchen bench
dethedrus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
Because I’ve trained all of my cats to accept me carrying them around the house…
Oh fuck. They trained ME to be a cat taxi!
its_prolly_fine@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
The same reasons dogs work for us. They are domesticated animals, selective breeding for thousands of years. Then training, teach them when they are young to do complex tasks. They then enjoy the tasks because it makes us happy. Think of sled dogs, or seeing eye dogs. Not exactly a natural thing for them, but once they are trained they really enjoy it.
j_elgato@leminal.space 1 month ago
Cows didn’t let us ride them, and look what we did to them… Look what we did to them!!!
ICastFist@programming.dev 1 month ago
Yummy milkers
lemmy_outta_here@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Because riding on their fronts is too intimate.
ameancow@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Maybe for some people.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
… Try riding a horse bareback, without a saddle.
It’ll give you new meaning to the terms ‘ball-buster’ and well, ‘bareback’.
wabafee@lemmy.world 1 month ago
👏👏👏
enbiousenvy@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
I used to watch this video two years ago, and a few other horse history video on that channel www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMHqp0M0T4Q
It’s a more approachable video for general audience so it may not be super scientific. But they included the source/papers in the description from proper academics.
Wild horses were originally not fit for riding. It is found that their bones would not be able to support to be ridden. But at the time, horses also started interacting with human & being domesticated as food & material sources.
But human do realize the power horses have. Human started developing chariots to be pulled by horses. The chariot technology spread around the north eurasian steppe to south in the south-west asia & egypt. But I cannot definitively say if the chariot techbology in egypt or persia came from north or it’s developed locally. I haven’t exactly find out about the relationship of both region when it comes to chariot technology.
During few thousand years later horses also slowly evolved physicaly to be able to be ridden. And so in later bronze age, nomadic steppe people emerges such as the Saka/Scythians, Xiongnu, etc.
My personal searching two years ago was definitely very focused on central asia/eurasian steppe region. So I cannot say much about the same stuff happening in south-west asia despite I know there are a lot going on in that area at the same time. But then after writing this and re-read the question, this doesn’t exactly answer why horses allow human to ride them 🤣🤣 I only say about how human changed horse.
ICastFist@programming.dev 1 month ago
Horse evolution is an overlooked aspect that we ignore often. Think of them like dogs: today, there are several different breeds of varying sizes, some burlier, some sleeker. In the early stages of domestication, this variety wasn’t there, but with time and lots of selective (cross)breeding, we got to where we are today.
Belgian Drafts tend to be big, and this one was the absolute unit
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 1 month ago
anon_8675309@lemmy.world 1 month ago
That neck. Wow.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
Yeah… there’s a difference between the kind of horse you bred to work in a team and pull a cart or carriage or train of them…
… and the kind of horse that’s a one rider endurance runner vs sprinter…
… and the kind of horse that you would gird with steel armor and sit a steel armored man on them, and then charge them directly into melee combat as heavy shock cavalry.
Ach@lemmy.world 1 month ago
It’s a work of fiction, but I highly recommend Last of the Amazons by Stephen Pressfield. He does fantastic, heavily researched historical fictions with an abundance of resources at the end to reaearch the history he bases his plots off of.
It’s basically about Eurasian tribes who had horses central to their religious mythos and how they dealt with the Greeks. It’s fantastic.
enbiousenvy@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
Thank you for the recommendation! That does sound familiar. The Scythian is the people the Greeks called to what Persian people call Saka.
jerkface@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
why do slaves allow humans to rape them and make more slaves
Bazoogle@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Are you saying those slaves are basically animals? Or that horses are basically people? I’m assuming you’re more so going for the latter, which is still a wild idea. They are domesticated animals, not people.
With your logic, just think of all the enslaved cats and dogs being forced to live in homes with lots of pets and constantly be fed and loved. Does animal cruelty happen? Of course. But to suggest domesticated horses are being enslaved because people have ridden horses for 5,000 years is truly a wild take.
Doomsider@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Yes, the enslaved animals who are inconsistently fed and ignored. All those dogs forced to live in apartments without any interaction the entire day while their slavers slave away as slaves themselves.
Just because a few people out there genuinely care and treat their pets correctly does not mean the rest are. This is why PETA exists.
Obviously you have some extremely thick rose colored glasses on.
OshagHennessey@lemmy.world 1 month ago
They don’t, they’ve been domesticated and trained to allow it.
anon_8675309@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Because when they tried to ride humans they would break them.
LuigiMaoFrance@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
They are forced into submission through a process of violence and psychological torture their abusers call “breaking”. They have also been selectively bred for docile traits.
ThomasWilliams@lemmy.world 1 month ago
They use behavioral psychology, a system of rewards, i’s not violent.
Only wild horses are “broken”
SleeplessCityLights@programming.dev 1 month ago
This is the best answer, closest to the truth.
olafurp@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I’m pulling this from some random place in my head but horses have a strict hierarchy. There’s a head horse that runs first and people became the head horse. This is in stark contrast to zebras that don’t give a shit and cause chaos.
schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de 1 month ago
The random place in your head is likely a CGP Grey video about animal domestication. 😁
DantesFreezer@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I first heard about this reading “guns germs and steel” around 2006 so I’ma guess that’s the origin or at least a waypoint for that thought
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 month ago
zebras are wild animals, even tamed they are pretty wild, and are prone to aggressive sitituations, because they have evolved with the predators in africa, so they are much more aggressive compared to other equines.
BenderRodriguez@lemmy.world 1 month ago
There’s the serious answers here, but it makes you think. What weight am I carrying that I could just toss off my back and run free?
trolololol@lemmy.world 1 month ago
A 3yo child
BenderRodriguez@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I wish.
LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Probably a 9-5 that mostly benefits some executives and shareholders rather than ourselves
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 month ago
they are domesticated. if you were trying to ride a zebra they will likely attack you instead, because they are still wild and havnt been domesticated.
lastlybutfirstly@lemmy.world 1 month ago
My guess would be evolution. Those horses that let us ride them were fed well and cared for by humans and then mated with similar horses to make more and more of the same. Those that didn’t let us ride them had to fight for their own food and fight for their own mates and didn’t multiply as much. So we essentially happened upon a couple of horses that enjoyed hauling us around, told them to kiss each other, and we got more. Repeat and rinse for tens of thousands of year.
My_IFAKs___gone@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 1 month ago
That guy is kind of annoying. I don’t like the way he defended the monarchy
guy@piefed.social 1 month ago
Nowhere in this video was there a mention of monarchy?
My_IFAKs___gone@lemmy.world 1 month ago
In which video or other engagement did he do that? And defended it from what? I’ve seen a few of his voting and representation videos and I thought those were good.
tgirlschierke@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
the horse contains the spirit of the rider’s dead mom obviously
Sculptor9157@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
She maintains the desire to be ridden, even in the afterlife.
DoubleDongle@lemmy.world 1 month ago
We have food
lath@piefed.social 1 month ago
They usually don’t and have to be “broken in”.
For those few that do so naturally, it’s more of a proto-symbiotic relationship where the rider helps provide food and safety, so they’re kept around as a pet or dumb kid. Also, if a predator wants to bite you, having something on your back to throw at them as a distraction can be pretty damn helpful.
Flauschige_Lemmata@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Breaking in is just how the process of fostering trust and getting the horse slowly used to a rider in many little steps is called.
TranquilTurbulence@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
The default setting in a horse’s mind is to not allow anything on its back. They will bite and kick you if you try. However, there is a clever way to change that setting, as ancient humans had discovered.
Horses are different from many other animals, such as zebras. Horses are clearly more malleable. That default setting can be changed if you’re skilled and patient enough. With zebras though, the setting to bite and kick is pretty much hard coded.
Some animals, such as camels and llamas can also be tamed and even ridden, but they will always know their position in the tier list of life i.e. way above all humans. They will tolerate humans up to a certain point, but once their patience runs out, the unfortunate human in their immediate vicinity will feel it in their skin. These animals are a bit like cats, but 10x more dangerous.
anton2492@lemmy.nz 1 month ago
That explains why my Red Dead horses always buck me off. To give their carnivorous friends a treat while they gallop away. Sonofabitch Rockstar, you did it again
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
Way to self report that you’re a bad digital horse caretaker, lol.
Look, they bothered to actually model horse testicular shrinkage in very cold weather.
They have a set of systems designed to gauge how much your horse trusts you, and how well you treat it, whether or not you ride it into having a heart attack or not.
… They honestly did a shockingly good job of portraying at least some of the idiosyncracies of what its like to actually train and ride a horse.
Kinda analagous to how only a few milsim/tac shooters actually get close to portraying a bunch of the idiosyncracies that the vast majority of shooter games don’t bother with, but are actually pretty important when using an actual gun.
A thing that often gets left out of video game depictions of horses: they are actually kinda stupid and will do dumb shit fairly often, if not well trained and ridden by a skilled rider.
Like uh, one thing they could have easily done in RDR2, to be more realistic, but chose not to because it would likely be too annoying to most players:
You should pretty much never, ever, ride a horse along the inside of a railroad track, with all the alternating ties.
You should absolutely never get a horse up to a canter or gallop in the middle of a railroad track.
Not primarily because an unexpected train could cause them to freak out and do something stupid.
But because they are basically guaranteed to trip on the railroad ties, and eventually either stumble, crumple, throw you off, or break their own legs.
Horse will run full speed into a fucking tree and basically kill themselves (and potentially the rider as well), if you command them to and they trust you, or, if they are just sufficiently spooked.
They’ll have weird little quirks like ‘fuck you, i am not going to step in this specific puddle’, for no apparent reason.
The people I used to know who regularly did foxhunts, they would have their horses fairly often try to duck under a low branch… entirely not considering that they have a human on their back, who would then be clothes-lined by that branch.
Shit like that.
Having some dumb horse decision lead to nearly or actually getting thrown from a horse was… more or less, kinda like the way motorcycle guys talk about laying down their bike: It’s basically an inevitability that it’ll happen to you at some point, so you train for how to deal with it when it happens.