Shout out to my engineering homies.
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expatriado@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
redsand@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 hours ago
Raytheon would be equally accepted here.
noxypaws@pawb.social 9 hours ago
Defens industry, law enforcement, and surveillance are all instant dealbreakers for me whenever a recruiter reaches out to me. And sadly that seems like the vast majority of positions for which recruiters are looking for candidates.
That or AI shit.
I’m so tired of the tech industry.
RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
There’s positive tech stuff out here too, bud. You’ll likely need to look for yourself though, the recruiter reaching out to you is better funded for some reason.
jof@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
Yea I’m an LGBTQ+ ally:
The ally they’re talking about: L ockheed Martin G eneral Dynamics B AE T exas Instruments Q inetiq
“our hiring system is even less discriminatory than our targeting system!” -their motto, probably
wewbull@feddit.uk 14 hours ago
"our hiring system is even less discriminatory than our targeting system!" -their motto, probably
Bravo!
sudoer777@lemmy.ml 9 hours ago
I know TI had a history of weapons manufacturing, but haven’t they stopped now?
Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 6 hours ago
How many children have they tortured with their graphing calculators?
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 6 hours ago
I don’t think anyone with an engineering degree would believe there’s a hell. Neither should you.
trolololol@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Although I can imagine what hell would look like: commuting for 1h to sit in an office that has more people than desks to have a zoom meeting over VPN with flaky wifi and AC that is set to overheat whoever sits under the vent and under heat everyone further.
Oh did I tell you that meeting could have been an email?
SeptugenarianSenate@leminal.space 4 hours ago
there’s probably an infinite number of paths, and an even greater number of perspectives to be considered across each moment and position along each of them. or absolutely nothing at all. most other possibilities seem so unlikely, they probably aren’t worth considering
Objection@lemmy.ml 3 hours ago
True, these people will not face justice through any natural force of the universe, only by people holding them accountable for the harm they cause.
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 15 hours ago
I just use my powers to make gooner games. My soul is pure. To heaven I shall go. Unironically.
Objection@lemmy.ml 13 hours ago
Thank you for your service.
wewbull@feddit.uk 14 hours ago
This is why I focused on graphics hardware for so long… Then some arsehole came up with running AI on GPUs.
underisk@lemmy.ml 13 hours ago
series of increasingly large dominoes where the smallest is “NVIDIA releases CUDA” and the largest is “the entire global economy has become dependent on running a useless computer program that tricks stupid people into thinking it can do anything worthwhile”
themoken@startrek.website 10 hours ago
Yeah, I got started in silicon thinking cheaper, faster, more power efficient chips would be a net benefit to the world… Then we became a social media surveillance state and AI dogshit is just the icing on the cake.
Now I try to forget we’re boiling the oceans to ruin society by drinking. One day this capitalist hellscape will end.
Corngood@lemmy.ml 8 hours ago
There’s still a few of us out here using ROPs and texture units
ClassIsOver@hexbear.net 5 hours ago
My brother in law is using his engineering degree to work for various arms companies, including DARPA. His wife justifies it by saying “He only makes things for good countries like the US”.
A few years ago, he, his wife, my wife, another sister in law and his kids were in a car, and he was talking about why it’s justifiable to drone-strike school buses. He said “Well, there were some really bad people on those buses.” I ask “What makes them bad?”, and he says “You know, they make bombs, that sort of thing.”
I turned to him and said “YOU make bombs. By your rationale, this car with your entire family is every bit as much a justifiable target as those school buses.”
The entire car went silent, and later, my wife thanked me for not going any further.
He’s the most morally-bankrupt person I’ve ever met, and I hate being in the same room as him. His wife isn’t much better, and is the epitome of the portion of the working class that’s been tricked into thinking they’re better than that. She’ll handwave away the fact that in her career, she’s been directly responsible for firing thousands of people “for the good of the company”.
Semester3383@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
I desperately wanted to get a degree in mechanical engineering so I could go to work for an arms company (like Heckler & Kock, FN Herstal, etc.). Never happened, got an art degree instead. Then I met a guy that owns a very small firearms company, and, well, yeesh. It’s a brutally hard business. He makes a good product, he has good morals and ethics, but the market is so saturated that anyone smaller than the largest arms companies are hemorrhaging money. Glad I didn’t try to live my dream now.
I may not like what governments do with arms, but good goddamn, the arms themselves are neat.
Console_Modder@sh.itjust.works 15 hours ago
I may be an engineer, but I am still too fucking stupid to get a job at an arms company
ayyy@sh.itjust.works 14 hours ago
It’s easier than you’d think. The applicant pool doesn’t tend to be the best and brightest.
nagaram@startrek.website 12 hours ago
One of the guys I went to college with is an amazing programming and had such a great understanding of C that hes why i got as far into CS as i did, couldn’t get a job after grad because 1) Covid and more importantly 2) he’s insufferable.
He got a job making $100k a year for I wanna say Lockheed because he quote “Wrote good looking code”. That’s all they needed because Tue DoD already told them that the project he was hired for was not going to be adopted, but they were still contracted for minimum 2 more years of development and Lockheed would be in breach of contract if they weren’t making progress even though it was already Dead.
The Military industrial complex is JUST a grift to put tax dollars in private hands.
Poem_for_your_sprog@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
That’s why I work at a legs company
socsa@piefed.social 10 hours ago
Look man, making missile killing lasers is just way more interesting than building another pointless SUV to a price target.
RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
Then they become human ablating lasers as the tech keeps shrinking…
Objection@lemmy.ml 6 hours ago
Building the SUV would be more ethical though.
nagaram@startrek.website 12 hours ago
Gods, I’m considering Job hopping and I saw Lockheed was hiring for my role, less experience, less certs, and quadruple my pay.
I had to block them on indeed and LinkedIn. I hated that I was considering it.
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 10 hours ago
yeah they’re an option in my area and I’ve made the decision several times to not look at any positions they have
lapping6596@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
I sometimes wonder if we all truly have a price for our souls. I felt similarly when seeing positions at health insurance companies, pay was high enough that I paused despite how much I despise them.
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 10 hours ago
Not an engineer, but I have I have Asian parents, if I were an engineer and worked for a genocidal dictator, they wouldn’t care, that’s success anyways.
So… yea…
people value success over ethics
welcome to life
society…
AeonFelis@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
Wouldn’t they still be disappointed that you are an engineer and not a doctor?
SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 5 hours ago
what are engineers, if not machine doctors?
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 8 hours ago
💀
NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 9 hours ago
Does your Taiwanese background play into that kind of thinking?
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 8 hours ago
I’m from mainland China (currently residing in the US), profile pic is because I hate the 5-Star Red Flag and the politics it represents.
Probably something with Asian cultures’s obsession with the idea of “success”. Like… my parents literally wouldn’t care if I became some corrupt government official as long as I don’t get caught. Success is worshipped, failure is shamed. I talk shit about trump, and like my mom said “at least he became president, can you do that?”
I’m like: “naturalized citizens can’t be president”
omg immediately less than 1 second later, mom goes: “but Gary Locke became Governor” (Gary Locke is a Chinese American)
And like you know Mamdani won, immedialy after, she told me “an immigrant managed to become Mayor, you are an immigrant just like him, why can’t you do the same?” bruh… maybe I could if I didn’t get so much emotional damage, mom.
Like they worship success, regardless of if they are “good” or “bad” people.
If you try to be a good person and you “fail” in life, you are considered worse than the bad person in power making a lot of money.
I’m like just so close to killing myself, even though I really wanna live, this is too painful, depression is too painful.
My parents are slowly killing my ethics and empathy, like one day I might just not care.
Either you die young with your morals intact, or you seek success and survival, and you corrupt your soul…
This world is cruel. The world wants you to be cruel to be able to even live a comfortable life.
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 8 hours ago
Also if you have any disabilities, like if you have depression. Oh your parents are gonna be so cruel to you. You are a “useless eater”.
What the fuck is this life. Why?
I wasn’t even supposed to be born. Why the fuck am I here. This fucking suffering.
it_depends_man@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
Doing engineering is more like an any% run to do something that eventually, even just statistically, hurts people.
So. Stop enabling us, scientists :P
traceur201@piefed.social 19 hours ago
Lots of people are better off for science, it’s the capitalists that ask us to wield it against others
nooneescapesthelaw@mander.xyz 10 hours ago
Communists and capitalists both made WMDs and murdered millions for their own gain
IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 17 hours ago
No. That evil has nothing to do with whichever socio-economic system is your particular choice of boogie man.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works 14 hours ago
This is part of the reason I moved to CA. As an engineer I’m always going to have some kind of environmental impact, and I think a direct initiative is necessary for the public to consent.
This comment is known to the state of California to cause birth defects.
AnarchoSnowPlow@midwest.social 18 hours ago
Some of us turned down Lockheed and Raytheon.
Gaja0@lemmy.zip 16 hours ago
socsa@piefed.social 10 hours ago
Yeah, their equity package wasn’t as good as Anduril.
PugJesus@piefed.social 19 hours ago
Weapons can be used for defense or offense. Just be sure that you can sleep at night with the potential consequences - and that your work may be used on the wrong side just as easily as the right side.
On the other hand, if you’re working for an Israeli defense company, you can be pretty certain where your results are going to go, and should maybe just… not.
porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml 18 hours ago
If you’re working for a western arms manufacturer you can be pretty certain your products will end up in Israel too.
PugJesus@piefed.social 17 hours ago
How many Eurofighters does Israel operate?
rain_enjoyer@sopuli.xyz 17 hours ago
i haven’t heard that they buy from Ukrainians
TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.zip 16 hours ago
Good that I only work for Palantir then
Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 16 hours ago
Can’t go to hell if you have no soul.
*taps temple
I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
To quote Casually Explained:
“The only real question engineering students and new grads need to know the answer to is ‘When is it ok to violate your moral principles?’
…
Exactly. It has to be at least 6 figures.”
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 14 hours ago
Here’s a great idea: let’s not produce any weapons and disarm unilaterally. What could go wrong?
UnspecificGravity@infosec.pub 11 hours ago
The US could cut its arsenal by 90% and still have nothing to fear from anyone. That shit isn’t for defense it’s to threaten the rest of the world.
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 hours ago
Who is “us”?
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 12 hours ago
The good guys. Define them as you like.
Objection@lemmy.ml 13 hours ago
How about we split the difference and only cut two thirds of all military spending? We would still be pouring more money into it than any country on earth.
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 12 hours ago
There will still be people working for arms companies. All of them will deserve hell?
mo_lave@reddthat.com 8 hours ago
Instructions unclear, I work at a prosthetics company.
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 hours ago
The groomers in the MIC have claimed soooo many kids who just wanted to make video games.
for_some_delta@beehaw.org 12 hours ago
I have no ethical qualms with those who make weapons. Horizontal communities need the means to defend themselves against external domination. The dilemma is, under capitalism, dominators employ weapons against those unable to defend themselves thereby realizing the idea of Hell on Earth.
CubitOom@infosec.pub 17 hours ago
I think this is also true for investing in war companies (its the department of war now, so no need to keep up the defense charade), even if it’s just part of an index fund or ETF.
Nyoka@sh.itjust.works 14 hours ago
This is literally everyone with a 401k.
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 hours ago
Yes, violence is literally all of capitalism.
CubitOom@infosec.pub 13 hours ago
Sadly, a matching 401k became the standard corporate retirement package over a pension.
However, you do still have a choice of what to invest in, even with a 401k.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works 14 hours ago
Engineers are rich, right? So let’s blame the working class in this one particular case. /s
edinbruh@feddit.it 19 hours ago
For my computer science internship I just dodged a drone-shaped bullet… I’m working on abstract verification of access policies instead
Zombie@feddit.uk 16 hours ago
MarriedCavelady50@lemmy.ml 16 hours ago
People talking about morality when space Jesus explicitly told us to EXTERMINATE all the XENOS
TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 hours ago
It’s almost winter, I thinks it’s freaking cold today.
SculptusPoe@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
I offered to leave my senior design group and find another when they were going to build a system for the military as their project. They were nice enough to change it to an automated feeder.
BootLoop@sh.itjust.works 12 hours ago
think it’s hot today?
No
psx_crab@lemmy.zip 19 hours ago
That moment when you quit the arms company and joined the legs company:
Image
Lojcs@piefed.social 18 hours ago
I’m stealing this