Why isn't it considered vegan to harvest animals who die naturally?

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• toomanypancakes@piefed.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Hi, ive been vegan for a bit over 10 years. I don't think animal parts are for us to use at all. I'm not really sure why you'd harvest animals at all, I don't think normalizing the commodification of others' bodies is a good thing to be doing. If you really can't live without animal parts, that's probably the least harmful way of acquiring them. I wouldn't recommend eating anyone you find lying on the ground though, that sounds like a good way to contract horrible diseases.

  Veganism is about doing the most that is possible and practicable. We probably kill insects just by walking, but it's not reasonable to never move again to avoid that. Similarly, driving a car for many people is a necessity to be able to access goods and services, and its not at all practicable to avoid driving for them.

  Ultimately, veganism is a moral stance about reducing harm to others as much as you can. It's not a competition, so don't feel like you have to be perfect at it to do good.

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  • OfCourseNot@fedia.io ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    We probably kill insects just by walking, but it's not reasonable to never move again to avoid that.

    There's this Hindu sect whose adherents wear veils, sweep the floor before them, and/or tread very slowly and carefully to avoid injuring, killing or eating any small insects. As you said, it's about doing as much as you can, but if it were a competition they'd win for sure.

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    • FoxyFerengi@startrek.website ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I think you mean Jainism? It isn’t Hindu.

      They also have a very strict vegetarian diet, they won’t even eat root vegetables so burrowing insects aren’t disturbes

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  • baggins@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Thank you for this perspective!

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  • kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    If you don’t make a moral distinction between humans and other animals, it seems difficult to justify scavenging with any logic that couldn’t also be used to justify grave robbing or even necrophilia.

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    • pastaq@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      This is strawman reasoning. No vegan I’ve ever met belives that there’s no moral distinction between human and non human animals. They believe that non human and have moral worth, and that moral worth is higher than 15 minutes of taste pleasure or shoes, etc.

      The basic logic flows like this:

      • Non human animals are capable of subjective experiences, which includes the ability to suffer.
      • Exploitation of or killing of animals causes suffering.
      • It isn’t essential, under normal circumstances in modern society, to cause that suffering for our survival.
      • It isn’t morally permissible to cause unnecessary suffering.

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    • RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      If you don’t make any sort of moral distinction between humans and animals then sex might become on interesting topic.

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  • QuinnyCoded@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    i saw a really interesting video about biking jackets and the design of them, the conclusion is that molecularly leather is the safest material for abrasion and there’s not really any synthetic replacement that comes close.

    What does your perspective (in regard to veganism) have on this subject?

    youtu.be/xwuRUcAGIEU
    Btw this channel is REALLY entertaining and well written, I’d recommend watching this channel if you get bored sometime

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    • toomanypancakes@piefed.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I'd take the risk with synthetic materials, personally. I don't think any amount of danger I put myself in would justify killing someone else for their skin. I have a synthetic jacket with elbow and shoulder reinforcement for when I ride, and that's good enough for me.

      I'll definitely check out the video later when I have more downtime though.

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  • UntitledQuitting@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Thank you for your well rounded and ernest perspective. That final sentence really gave me pause. And it’s nice to find a corner of the internet where vegans aren’t vilified immediately for existing

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  • RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Not for us to use? Do you mean you don’t think we should or is that something that comes from somewhere “above” (religion, philosophy, something like that)

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    • toomanypancakes@piefed.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I don't think we should, other's bodies aren't ours. Just a deeply held moral belief.

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  • SolidShake@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Back in the way way way way way way way day. Human used animal fur for warmth, and the meat to eat.

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• Ephera@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Veganism isn’t a hivemind. We’re all individuals that came to similar conclusions. And we will have different opinions on the details.

  Some folks will say consuming those that died naturally is a-ok. Others will argue that it incentivizes creating conditions under which animals die “naturally” to harvest them.
  Personally, I’m part of the group that is probably the largest by a long shot, whose opinion is: Why are we even thinking about that?

  The vast majority of vegans find corpses gross, much like anything you might derive from corpses.
  It also seriously does not happen often, that animals drop dead in front of you. And there’s nothing on an animal’s body that you can’t find a different alternative for. So, it really just is not a relevant question in our lives…

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  • chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    How about using birds’ discarded feathers for decorations? Discarded seashells? Pearls from clams that died naturally?

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    • Ephera@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Well, I hope you are happy with the answers you already got, because my answer is that I personally don’t care to keep these items, so I don’t have much of an opinion on it. 😎

      That’s kind of the point I was trying to make up there, that I don’t have to be the arbiter of all morals, just my own morals…

      But if you want to keep such trinkets and you feel like you’ve informed yourself enough to know that no harm is done to these animals, and that makes you decide that it is moral, I will gladly accept your decision.
      If I learn that it does harm in some way, I would let you know, though. Not to attack you, but because I would assume that you want to do no evil. And that you don’t subscribe to the horseshit belief that your own ignorance of evil makes it moral.

      I feel like I really need to drive home that veganism is when you care, but you’re also lazy. I don’t want to have to inform myself about every supply chain for my food and every possible moral effect that my actions might have. So, I just nope the fuck out of a large chunk of that by not dealing with animal-sourced products.

      Like, yeah, if a bird drops a feather in front of you, the supply chain is quite obvious and I would hope you don’t set off a trend of enough people wanting feathers in their homes for there to emerge an industry.

      So, it’s almost certainly fine. But if I myself don’t actually want a feather, you can bet your ass that I will gladly stop thinking right then and there.

      If these were not just random examples and rather genuine questions, then I would try to help you reason through it, but ultimately the decision is yours…

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    • Ogy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I find corspes yuck because it feels the same as cannibalism to me. I have no issues with touching human hair or fingernails, but I wouldn’t eat your arm, spleen or eye. Does this help?

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    • blackris@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Speaking for every single vegan on the whole world: If you fancy that stuff, go for it. We won’t deny you our universal seal of approval for that.

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• Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  To me it’s not a matter of ethics but a matter of health. Unless you saw the animal die from something that clearly isn’t disease I wouldn’t trust meat I just found laying around.

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  • tyler@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It doesn’t have to be edible. Glue, gelatin for skin mimicry, clothing, and bones for weapons, etc are all non-edible uses of animals.

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    • Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Good point. I forgot vegans included all that stuff and not just eating animal products.

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    • UndergroundGoblin@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      For me personally: Veganism is also about signaling to the outside world. Suppose I were to skin an animal that died naturally and make a jacket out of it, this would probably be the most ethical way to produce a leather jacket. But I still wouldn’t wear it, because by doing so I would signal to the outside world that it’s okay to wear the skinned hide of animals. Outsiders can’t know under what circumstances I got the leather.

      It’s perhaps a bit more radical, but I also throw away non-vegan foods that I get unintentionally. Simply because I don’t want to project to the outside: “Here you go. I would never eat it because I find it unethical, but if you eat it, then that’s okay.”

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  • baggins@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Neither would I but what about the hide?

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    • DahGangalang@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      This is something that has always bothered me about roadkill animals (esp deer which are particularly prevalent as roadkill in my area).

      Its my understanding that the hide can remain in good and usable condition for days to weeks after the animal’s death. It seems that this could be a decent source of blankets and other light-medium cold weather gear.

      I’d imagine it largely comes down to the skinning process. The internal organs of dead animals are supposed to get real gross real fast (and that’s in the best case scenario - if anything ruptured when they were hit, then the grossness increasing exponentially) and removing those is the first step towards skinning. Additionally, everything in harvesting the hide would need to be done by hand.

      But boy, if we could build one of those Boston dynamics bots to do it…

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  • tanisnikana@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I trust old meat I find lying around. It may be a different color, but it still spends the same.

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• BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Found RFK, Jr’s Lemmy account

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• FatVegan@leminal.space ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  If you don’t like broccoli, why don’t you eat it when it’s half rotten?

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  • falseWhite@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    You missed this part in the post:

    “not necessarily meat, think hide”

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  • VitoRobles@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    This. When I was a kid, I asked this same question and it took me years to fully wrap my head around it.

    The ELI5 - When we pick food, we often pick it when it’s the most fresh. We want the freshest apples, the healthiest corn. That also applies to meat. We kill animals at their peak, and harvest them for meat.

    When you die, it’s because something is rotten. Lung. Heart. Cancer. Its part of aging. If some part of your body was rotten enough to kill you, that means that was circulating through the rest of your body. Say that a rabbit was killed by poison gas. Would you eat it, if technically, the poison was mostly in its lungs?

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    • iii@mander.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      We kill animals at their peak, and harvest them for meat.

      That’s not the case. There’s even different words to the meat depending on the age the animal got slaughtered. There’a no single “peak”.

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    • dysprosium@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      What if I was the killer using the poison gas

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• toebert@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I’m not vegan myself but I had asked a similar enough question to a vegan friend a while ago and liked his answer:

  He said for him it’s 2 parts, 1 is that while the animal that died may not have been harmed by humans, the ecosystem that relies on scavenging carcasses will be hurt if humans effectively start removing their entire food source (same way we have driven species to extinction by hunting).

  The 2nd part is that with humans everything with even the tiniest loop hole will get abused.. Imagine that we say this is okay. Today it may be the odd naturally deceased animal, in a month it’ll start including animals “killed accidentally”, in a year it’ll be someone farming animals with some weird way of culling them so they can claim it’s still natural causes by some twisted logic.. at the end of it we’d just not be able to trust any of it anyway so it’s easier to not even entertain the thought - the energy to figure it all out would be better spent on improving alternatives.

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  • Nomad@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Slippery slope argument. Much more valid today then you would think. Its my primary go to to argue against deportation of immigrants for whatever reason.

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• billwashere@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I would think driving a car is not vegan because it’s fueled by dead dinosaurs.

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  • msage@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Oil is not from dinos.

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    • billwashere@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It was a lame attempt at humor since it’s called fossil fuel… I know oil primarily came from ancient algae and plankton that died and sank to the ocean floor.

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• JustARegularNerd@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  From my end, I’m a registered organ donor because I feel that I won’t need this body once I’m done with it, and if anything is useful off it for someone else, then hell, let them have my liver.

  However, an animal can’t consent to that and yeah, an argument could be made that who gives a fuck, it’s a pig/chicken/cow, it’s not gonna give a shit, but death is unfortunate for anything and I’d feel more at ease that the carcus is treated respectfully and buried than me harvesting it for food.

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  • Beacon@fedia.io ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It is going to be eaten no matter what. The chance of it being eaten is essentially 100%. So i can't see how that's part of the equation.

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    • samus12345@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Sure, but a person can choose to not be the one who does it.

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  • baggins@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Interesting. I guess that’s one perspective on death, but in nature it’s more of the decay and vultures no? Humans are a bit unique when it comes to how we handle our dead and how we try and preserve them and remove them from the natural cycle of life.

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    • JustARegularNerd@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      And such is the circle of life right. I also feel that if we as a species can move beyond meat, then we should. I can live a perfectly normal life on my current vegan diet, and if that carcus is then left for other animals and fauna to have, thus leaving the cycle undisrupted.

      I suppose what I’m getting at is that I’d rather let the animals that need those nutrients have it, as I’m already sorted.

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• givesomefucks@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  You can do pretty much whatever you want man…

  Like “vegan” isn’t even a century old yet, it was made up in the 1940s by some guy who thought vegetarians weren’t good enough, and he set whatever rules he wanted to.

  You can just keep using his word, but not care about his rules.

  Or you can make up your own rules.

  People searching for labels they like and then conforming to every fucking aspect of that label and nothing else, doesn’t work out well.

  So please, if you want to eat roadkill just do it.

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  • Chozo@fedia.io ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Like "vegan" isn't even a century old yet, it was made up in the 1940s by some guy who thought vegetarians weren't good enough, and he set whatever rules he wanted to.

    [citation needed]

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    • prime_number_314159@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veganism

      Under “Term coined by”

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  • baggins@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Cool comment but did you want to answer the question, or just bitch about nothing?

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    • givesomefucks@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      but did you want to answer the question

      I did…

      it was made up in the 1940s by some guy who thought vegetarians weren’t good enough, and he set whatever rules he wanted to

      Every reason why you can/can’t do something and be Vegan, is because the guy who made the word up ~80 years ago decided it should be like that

      You’re acting like it’s a math or science, like it’s based on logic or something…

      It’s not, so the answer to “why” is essentially “because the founder said that”?

      Does that make sense now?

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• IronKrill@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I think it would depend who you ask. I consider myself vegan and would have no major issue with someone using roadkill for parts. I mean, I would find it disgusting and could never myself, but if they want to and still call themselves vegan, I see no problem with it as the harm has already been done to the animal. Seems the same as harvesting bones from the forest - what’s dead is dead.

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  • Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Seems the same as harvesting bones from the forest

    Umm… Wut? Why are you being a bone harvester, what do you need them for??

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    • rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Bone stuff, why are you asking so many questions?

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    • Manifish_Destiny@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Whatever I want.

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    • blarghly@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Lots of people like to use things like antlers or skulls as decorations

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    • ReiRose@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Witchcraft

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• allo@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Why don’t you eat humans if they’ve already died?

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  • DiabolicalBird@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Because I’m not allowed in the morgue anymore.

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    • ericatty@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      You made you literally laugh out loud. Thank you

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  • JandroDelSol@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    prion disease lol

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  • Kolanaki@pawb.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I would totally try it if it was legally allowed and there wasn’t a risk of diesease from eating human flesh. 🤷‍♂️

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    • allo@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      i hear children taste the best. maybe we should adopt a system of indefinitely milking mothers while eating their children like is done with cows. Double Bonus. Tastiest meat plus milk.

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  • webp@mander.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Because of the karma loss 🙄

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• python@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Really depends on which lens of veganism you view it through. I usually judge things by the economic lens, where veganism is the response to capitalism incentivising the exploitation of animals. It’s probably one of the easiest ways to think about it, but essentially it goes like “As long as you don’t pay money for exploitation, you’re fine”
  So roadkill would be fine. Saving food that would be thrown out is fine. Shoplifting is fine. Served the wrong thing at the restaurant- Complain and get your money back. Second hand down jacket from a relative who would have thrown it away otherwise - gross but fine. Stealing chickens from a factory farm and eating some of their eggs- fine. Et cetera.

  I don’t think that sort of logical line can be applied to anything but individuals though. I still wouldn’t be buying leather from a company that claims to only use roadkill, as my money would still be a financial incentive to expand the operation.

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• Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Vegan just means causing as little animal suffering as possible. Us existing in a capitalist society causes suffering for animals. But where it is possible to avoid it, it should be avoided is what vegans want. Like if a vegan drives a car and a squirrel runs in front of the car the person does not suddenly stop being vegan

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  • Bgugi@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    You mean it’s not Scott Pilgrim rules?

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  • outerspace@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Cars and roads cause a lot of suffering for animals in general

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    • WALLACE@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Humans especially. I wouldn’t have to go to work if the roads all vanished

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    • pedz@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      In fact, the numbers are estimated to be around 2 billion animals a year globally.

      Extrapolating globally based on total length of roads, roughly 5.5 million vertebrates are killed per day, or over 2 billion annually.

      As for people

      According to the World Health Organization (WHO), road traffic injuries caused an estimated 1.35 million deaths worldwide in 2016.[2] That is, one person is killed every 26 seconds on average.

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  • Dingleberrydipndots@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    What if that person had no remorse for the squirrel?

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• over_clox@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I’ve wondered about this myself since like age 7, when our otherwise perfectly healthy horse Sissy got struck by lightning while standing under a pine tree out in the field in a storm. 😢

  Living out in deer hunting country, they could have given the neighbors a shout and basically be like hey the meat’s fresh, y’all come help cut it up and stock like 10-20 freezers for free…

  🤷

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  • Bluewing@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    You probably don’t want to eat horse meat these days due to the drugs that are often given to horses, (mostly wormers). They tend to not flush out of the horses system no matter how long you wait.

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• sem@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  They call themselves freegans

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• sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Idk much about vegan philosophy but it is a philosophy not a diet to be clear. However, personally I see it as stealing from the vultures. The vegan solution is of course, to limit roadkill to negligable levels by making cars a redundant and antiquated form of transportation.

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• ordnance_qf_17_pounder@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  From a materialist point of view, I can’t see any harm in harvesting the hide of an already dead animal. However, wearing a real fur coat and calling yourself a vegan is never going to be an easy thing to explain lmao

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• commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of animals, humans and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals.

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• Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  For the second question, one could argue driving a car isn’t vegan (unless it’s electric) because gas and oil are technically animal products, even if that animal was a dinosaur

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  • Arghblarg@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’m gonna be that “acktually…” guy for a sec here. Oil & gas (mostly) are not dinosaurs… the vast majority of petrochemicals are from compressed dead algae, planktom and plant matter long pre-dating the dinosaurs: chevron.com/…/explainer-where-do-oil-and-gas-come…

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    • Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Where does this notion that oil&gas are dead dinosaurs come from? I know what you said is the truth, just as coal is the remainder of the huge forests that existed before bacteria could break down cellulose, but i would really like to know where this wrong factoid comes from - it’s literally everywhere

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  • baggins@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    So veganism isn’t about not causing harm to animals? Just blindly refusing to use animal parts?

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    • neatchee@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It’s mostly about consent. We can debate when and where sentience begins, but it begins somewhere and vegans hold a moral philosophy that says using another sentient being’s work product or body without their consent is immoral.

      Note that I am not vegan myself but understand, if not agree with, their moral position.

      And as another reply said, most vegans recognize it as a “best effort” philosophy, as they appreciate the impracticality of an absolutist stance. They are focused on “harm reduction”.

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• CannedYeet@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  For the sake of argument I think you could say that you’re depriving a scavenger of a meal. I don’t know if that’s how veganism is usually framed.

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  • samus12345@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Won’t someone think of the bacteria??

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    • Manjushri@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      …and crows and vultures and eagles and bears and assorted rodents and foxes and beetles and many, many more. There is actually a rather robust eco system out there, you know. And when you gut part of it, you are just asking for trouble.

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• MisterNeon@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  shouldn’t it be considered vegan to harvest any of the useful parts from it, since there was no human-caused suffering involved?

  What the fuck are you talking about? The corpse is still made up of animal parts. For the record I’m a vegetarian because I hate animals and I think they’re gross.

  I’m agitated by this post not because of whatever morality question you’re trying to pull, but for linguistics sake.

  Definition of Vegan from Merriam - Webster:

  a strict vegetarian who consumes no food (such as meat, eggs, or dairy products) that comes from animals

  also : one who abstains from using animal products (such as leather)

  People like you are the reason why the word “literally” doesn’t mean “literally” anymore and we don’t have a replacement.

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• allo@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I have the same repulsive reaction to eating the body of a someone, of any species, as you probably do to eating insects or humans or literal fecal balls of steaming dung.

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• octobob@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Some of my friends were “freegan”. Meaning if meat or something was literally getting thrown away, or if they dumpster dived and found something that wasn’t vegan, it was fair game.

  Take that as you will I guess

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• save_the_humans@leminal.space ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I had a teacher in high school ask me to bring him a deer if I ever hit one on my way to school.

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• notreallyhere@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  seriously the graveyard is full of them

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