I loved when a class would get quiet enough to hear the seconds hand click on the mechanical motor. I lived to see how close it was to the end of minute. One time in class I counted how black dots were on the ceiling. Wow I was bored
Don't fix the problem just change the parameters
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Aneb@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 3 hours ago
To the title, that’s always been the case.
“no child left behind” turned into “make it easier until everyone passes” Shit isn’t new. it’s been going on for a long, long ass time.
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
Do the blackboards in the US also say “breathe in, breathe out, repeat” so that half the class doesn’t just die?
No that’s silly, there’s no guarantee that they could read that.
oppy1984@lemdro.id 2 hours ago
The less educated a populous is, the less likely they are to think critically, think for themselves, and ultimately the easier they are to control.
Octavio@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
It’s getting really bad. Some people even use “populous” when they mean “populace.”
Multiplexer@discuss.tchncs.de 19 hours ago
First: Some UK teachers exchanged the analogue with digital clocks. This was only to reduce interruptions by some students (during a specific kind of UK exams), who had trouble determining the remaining time in the heat of the exam battle.
Secondly: The use of analogue clocks is taught at UK schools. What’s missing is the practice that former generations of pupils had. No more wristwatches, public clocks all but gone, and (what I am nostalgically missing from my youth) no more peeking onto parked car’s dashboards to read the analogue clock there. Times have changed, and this specific partially lost ability is not the schools’ fault. (Not to say that other things aren’t…)
Can we please bury that stupid old meme, as it has been based on some inaccurate buzz and largely giving a completely inaccurate impression of the topic from the start…
Vinstaal0@feddit.nl 1 hour ago
Since smart watches are a thing some schools banned wristwatches during exams because they where not planning to look for the differences
danc4498@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
Kids don’t know cursive either. Nobody needs it anymore.
Capricorn_Geriatric@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
I feel that learning cursive is important.
First you learn how to write ordinary letters. That trains your fine motor skills so you can write them reliably (try writing with your non-dominant yourself hand to see).
What cursive teaches you is how to write quickly. Of course, no one will write in pure, perfect cursive. Most people settle for a style somewhere in between. It teaches you the concept of “you can combine letters together to make you write faster” and “here are a bunch of ways to combine them” is a good thing. Especially if they end up going to college.
Giving them a few more weeks of practice in reading and writing is a great way to avoid them being partially illiterate.
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
Being “taught” cursive in school was torture, anyway.
joyjoy@lemmy.zip 17 hours ago
no more peeking onto parked car’s dashboards to read the analogue clock there.
Eventually, Lexus might stop including the analog clock as a luxury feature.
someguy3@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
My wrist watches were always digital, public clocks in suburbia I’m just gonna say never existed, in cars wtf?
I can only see this as an education problem.
FelixCress@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
This was only to reduce interruptions by some students (during a specific kind of UK exams), who had trouble determining the remaining time in the heat of the exam battle
I am not being funny but if someone is unable to read the time perhaps they shouldn’t be in the exam room in the first place.
It is like saying that all questions will be read out loud all the time and verbal answers recorded instead of written ones - because some students are illiterate.
lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 hours ago
Students with dyslexia do get special treatment. There is no reason to discriminate against people lacking an unrelated skill and it’s not funny to demand it so we at least agree on something
papalonian@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
Honestly if you can’t calculate things on an abacus you shouldn’t be in the exam room tbh. Sure, calculators have been invented and have ultimately replaced the abacus in nearly every facet of day to day life, but surely you know how to add beads together?
We’re letting kids use GPS to get to school now? What the street signs and constellations aren’t good enough for you?
Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 13 hours ago
Ah, okay, I can’t take exams because my dyscalculia makes it difficult for me to read a clock (and it’s not worth my time to learn how to read them).
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GladiusB@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
I used to troll my teachers with inane questions to help my friends prepare for exams or quizzes that we knew were coming. I can’t expect it’s changed much.
Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 hours ago
Analogue clocks are a great example of kids having to understand a concept and apply it. And it’s simple enough that anyone can learn it.
I often see examples where children are required to memorize a set solution, instead of showing understanding and reaching the solutions themselves.
These clocks are somewhat dated, but removing them just feels like another symptom of a failing educational system.
wischi@programming.dev 14 hours ago
Analog clocks are dated? Let’s get rid of books because we have kindles. Just something was invented a very long time ago doesn’t make it obsolete by any means. Or should we get rid of spoons or hammers? Those things are really somewhat dated.
Capricorn_Geriatric@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
Or should we get rid of spoons or hammers?
I have to say, I’m auite fond of my pneumatic hammer. When will my pneumatic silverware become a thing?
I just can’t be bothered to expend any energy while I’m eating! It’s supposed to give me energy, after all!
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 14 hours ago
Yeah I keep an analog clock on the wall because it’s a more intuitive way to keep track of how long I’ve got to get ready to go out. I know where the angle of the minute hand will be when I have to be out the door, so it’s quicker to glance it it and know if I gotta pick up the pace or I got plenty of time or whatever.
Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 hours ago
Dated does not mean obsolete. But it’s hard to deny a digital clock is superior in almost every way.
Unlike the other examples you’re giving, I fail to see in what aspect an analog clock beats a digital one. Sure they have a certain charm, but functionally their just behind their digital counterpart.
WoodScientist@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
Do you know how to read a sundial?
Rezoie@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
wait analog is outdated?? what do you mean?? What else do people wear on their wrist?? some dystopian world your living in
Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 hours ago
Dated, not outdated. Or do I totally have the meaning of the word wrong?
WoodScientist@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
Nah let’s ditch the analog clocks and instead teach them sundials. That will really stretch their brains.
wischi@programming.dev 10 hours ago
Analog clocks are mechanical imitations of sun dials. Ever wondered why clockwise is the way it is? It’s because the sun moved that way (on the historically a bit more dominant northern hemisphere)
Mickey7@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
As our schools fail they simply change the parameters to cover up their failures
joel_feila@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
I remember getting a compliment more then once jn school. I was good t talong what i learned in once class and applying it to another
DeadMartyr@lemmy.zip 14 hours ago
I think removing everything that kids have a bit of a hard time trying to grasp just teaches kids to give up if anything isn’t immediately apparent. Its not as much of a waste of time as cursive, and it’s to be taught to think in another way.
I think that kids “learning how to learn” is really important, especially with how these AI models are stunting like a whole generation of people.
This is minor, but I also think less things need electronic displays/components that are hard to recycle and increase dependency on exploiting X country for Y resource. Its also cool to just be able to build a physical mechanism which digital clocks have no real feasible option to do
tooclose104@lemmy.ca 10 hours ago
I just found out my 10yo has been lagging behind in spelling because he’s been using speech-to-text on his school issued iPad for class work. He doesn’t have to think about it or try sounding it out, so of course an unpracticed in-development skill is waning. It’s going to be an interesting parent-teacher meeting coming up.
juliebean@lemmy.zip 10 hours ago
Its also cool to just be able to build a physical mechanism which digital clocks have no real feasible option to do
i am delighted to be able to introduce you to flip clocks.
LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
I would rather learn how to build an analog clock. In the olden days clock makers were highly respected & incredibly intelligent, it’s quite an intellectual & mechanical art & science & craft to build an analog clock.
Droggelbecher@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
Cursive is wayyyy more accessible for lots of people with chronic pain in their arm/hand/wrist. Also helps prevent those conditions for those who have do a lot of hand writing. I dread the day that people will no longer be able to read the least painful way to write or me.
LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
If I’m honest with myself my handwriting was always shit. If I was writing you a letter you’d be able to read it, but taking notes in college was all but useless for me. The speed at which you would have to write left me unable to find any of it legible so I was able to take in more information by just sitting down and listening/watching instead of scrambling to figure out what they were talking about now after I wrote down whatever I thought was important prior to that. Professors write fast because they do it all the time, and the amount of time it would take me to read then write what they wrote would overlap the time they spent over the next 15 seconds telling you why it was important. If I wrote down why it’s important I’m behind on the next bit of information and scrambling. When a professors posted their notes online so I could review it that way it was so much easier for me.
WoodScientist@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
We should make everyone mad. Don’t teach them to read analog clocks. Teach them to read digital clocks and sundials.
Mickey7@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
It is minor but part of a bigger problem. Show them a globe and ask them to point our where Austria is and then ask them where Australia is. Most couldn’t do it. And many wouldn’t even know the difference
Miaou@jlai.lu 13 hours ago
Learning how to write with a pen is a waste of time…?
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
This has got to be AI written or cherry picked data. They’re pulling clocks to save a few $ if anything. Old schools used to have synchronized analog systems. I could easily see those things being removed.
LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
Really? I never knew any of them were synchronized, that’s cool if so. I seem to remember us pulling them off the wall at our schools and changing them twice a year or replacing the batteries. Having them wired with synchronization may be overboard, but it is kind of cool
hardcoreufo@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
All my schools had them. Sometimes you’d catch them doing a resync and all the hands would spin around. I think they probably couldn’t rotate CCW so had to go around the long way if they needed to roll back a few minutes.
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
Yep. The schools I went to had synchronized analog clocks. They would all “adjust” together if they were off at all. Some kind of clockwork solenoid.
childOfMagenta@jlai.lu 10 hours ago
Could they be synchronised independently? My grandfather in France had a clock that was receiving a radio signal I think from Strasbourg. They’ve been around for a while. I remember being up late during day light hour change and i would suddenly hear the second hand rush forward. It would stop one whole hour on the switch back. I would use it to adjust my watch. Nowadays I use raw GPS and any mobile phone is synced from the network anyway.
Waraugh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 hours ago
My high school was small (graduating class under 50; five small towns combined), and in the 90s, ours were synchronized, just realized I always wondered what they used.
rob_t_firefly@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
What was scribbled out of this screenshot with black lines, and why was it scribbled out?
wischi@programming.dev 4 hours ago
The part in the middle is a screenshot of some social media site and the blacked out parts are navigation bread crums, comment counts. The answer below has a blacked out user name, profile picture, etc.
I have no idea why they would remove UI elements from a screenshot.
LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
It took me until age 15 to become comfortable reading analog clocks and confident knowimg which way is left and right (hey cut me some slack, left/right gets confusing sometimes because of mirrors & facing people).
MisterD@lemmy.ca 6 hours ago
I’m old af and I still have to think about it
SoloCritical@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
Once I figured out what hand I write with, it was all easy street from there. I used to tell myself “I write with my right hand”
sommerset@thelemmy.club 11 hours ago
Analog clocks are just annoying, I support this change. Also let’s change format to 24hr format
wraithcoop@programming.dev 11 hours ago
Ironically, I want a 24h analogue clock
wischi@programming.dev 10 hours ago
24h analog clocks exist but they are pretty useless because you lose angular resolution. So unless you are a vampire that’s up 24/7 a 12 hour wall clock has better angular resolution than a clock with 33% wasted area you’ll never use/see because you are asleep
Sunflier@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
AND PLEASE STOP CHANGING IT EVERY SIX MONTHS!!!
PlaidBaron@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
Ive tried to teach my students (High School) how to read an analog clock. Keep in mind, I dont have time to teach a whole class on it, just a little lesson on how now and then when they ask what time it is. They can read it for the class, but the next day theyve forgotten how completely.
Its not because theyre stupid or lazy. Its because they rarely get practice with it. We know how to read an analog clock because, yes we were taught it in school, but they were everywhere so we essentially had practice with it all the time. These kids see digital clocks 99% of the time. So when do they ever apply their knowledge?
The only students who can read the clock are the handful who have analog watches for fashion reasons because they use it all the time.
Its a matter of practice but in truth these kids dont really have to read an analog clock in the modern world.
IWW4@lemmy.zip 15 hours ago
I fail to see why problem an analogue clocks are a solution for.
Like cursive they are obsolete.
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 19 hours ago
Snopes article about this from 2018 stating it’s mostly false.
TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
No one’s asking the real question… Is that background image AI?
Hikermick@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
Maybe it’s because everyone has a clock in their pocket? One that is accurate and doesn’t need batteries changed or altered twice a year
DrSteveBrule@mander.xyz 14 hours ago
One part of me wants to feel disappointed that kids aren’t learning to read analog clocks, but another part of me thinks there was a time when people grew disappointed that the younger generations stopped learning to use an abacus in favor of digital calculators. I certainly don’t want some old geezer giving me shit because I don’t want to learn to use an abacus. I also don’t want to be that old geezer.
Bytemeister@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
Eh, we don’t teach them how to read a sundial or make a fire anymore either. I don’t see a problem with removing old technology from school instruction.
blave@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
It’s only happened twice, but I’ve run into kids who couldn’t read an analog clock. You know what I did?
I talked to them. It took, like, 30 seconds. I know it took 30 seconds because I was wearing a goddamn watch.
saturn57@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
Digital clocks are just objectively better. They are easier to read, cheaper, and more accurate. While the reason for swapping out the clocks is bad, the end result is still good.
Jankatarch@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
It’s definetrly because they don’t want to teach this thing that takes like 10 minutes to explain and not because recalibrating every daylight savings hour one by one is a hassle.
RejZoR@lemmy.ml 18 hours ago
Are people really this stupid now?
kugel7c@feddit.org 18 hours ago
Idk in our university lecture halls we had HH:MM.sss digital clocks and it’s obviously superior for exams because you can just compare the numbers instead of translating and then comparing the numbers. And I’m pretty sure that’s why they were digital, because it’s easier to quickly compare.
blimthepixie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 hours ago
Big Ben will be digital by 2028…
blave@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
It’s only happened twice, but I’ve run into kids who couldn’t read an analog clock. You know what I did?
I talked to them. It took, like, 30 seconds. I know it took 30 seconds because I was wearing a goddamn watch.
smiletolerantly@awful.systems 3 hours ago
I feel like I’m going insane reading these comments about how difficult it is to read analog clocks, how it needs too much understanding of maths, how it takes too long,…
Can someone please confirm: you just look, for a fraction of a second, at the clock face and know the time, right?
Learning to read the clock was like… A couple of lessons and some homework in the 2nd grade, and everyone got it.
GeneralEmergency@lemmy.world 29 minutes ago
Lemmites love to make things more difficult than they need to be.
Bo
Jyrdano@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
I can confirm. You are not insane.
FelixCress@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
These comments are made by lazy idiots arguing that there is nothing wrong with being lazy idiot.
buttnugget@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
I don’t understand how you could possibly classify looking at a clock as lazy.
buttnugget@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
I don’t know, I’ve never particularly liked analogue clocks. I don’t think I ever thought of them as difficult to read, but it’s far superior to look at an exact number like digital usually features.
smiletolerantly@awful.systems 2 hours ago
Disagree - it rarely matters to me if it’s 13:24:56 or 13:25:05, but I do find the instant and intuitive gauging of time deltas super useful (as in, how long it’s going to be on to the full hour / two quarter past / … ). Not saying you can’t get that info from a digital clock as well, of course you can; but the physically of analog clocks lends a good bit of intuition, I feel.
wischi@programming.dev 2 hours ago
To be fair if you are never exposed to it (and judging by the comments that seems to have happened in the US) you can’t tell the time by “just looking at it”. But analog clocks are objectively simpler to teach to children (let’s say three to eight years old).
ThirdConsul@lemmy.ml 1 hour ago
I’m 35. Math major. Work in STEAM. Well educated.
I hate analogue clocks. Why use subpar way of reading time if digital is so much better?
smiletolerantly@awful.systems 1 hour ago
Because it’s not! Glad to help you clear that up.