Oooh, the second US civil war may still be on but not in the way we first thought.
Good news. :)
Submitted 1 month ago by fossilesque@mander.xyz to science_memes@mander.xyz
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saltesc@lemmy.world 1 month ago
pennomi@lemmy.world 1 month ago
When the US falls apart I strongly suspect the nation of Cascadia to form from these states
Sunshine@piefed.ca 1 month ago
It’s a good way to keep out garbage ICE invasions from LA.
WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
Great, provided there is some version of the Nuremberg Trials for Silicon Valley techbro nazis.
They are welcome to fix their hearts or die.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
The problem… or complication with this…
Is that basically every part of WA and OR east of the Cascades will … counter-seceede.
Go look up the Greater Idaho project.
There is, and has been for a while now, an effort to … have the eastern counties of WA and OR leave their respective states and join Idaho.
From a legal/constitutional perspective… this is completely unprecedented, as best I can tell this has never before happened in US history, states redrawing their own borders, via counties which largely actually have democratically voted to do so via popular referendums.
Northern/Eastern CA will possibly form into something like the old attempts at the proposed state of ‘Jackson’.
There is an absolutely huge political polarization within all these states between urban and rural areas, roughly also by which side of the Cascades
I’ve hastily cropped that image from this source:
brilliantmaps.com/county-1992-v-2024/
So… yeah… if the governors of WA OR and CA formally seceeded and formed Cascadia? Came ‘too close’ to functionally doing that?
Well the rightwingers have an arguably legit legal counter move for that (or so they will argue, the whole point is different sides do not agree) and then basically the West Coast explodes into functionally a civil war of some kind, probably involving both partisan and ‘official’ state forces, and federal forces, roughly breaking apart along the Cascades, but it could easily be way more chaotic than that, depending on what say, forces at JBLM and Kitsap decide to do.
Let me personally tell you that Eastern WA/OR and Idaho still very, very much remember Ruby Ridge, the militia movement never died, it just went dormant till Trump, and uh, skipping up to present day, is now basically being formally recruited into ICE… ICE now has more funding than the United States Marine Corp.
Fucking yeehaw is what I very much fear would happen if either side makes significant moves toward anything resembling actual secession.
pennomi@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Oh no doubt. Any kind of secession would be resolved with a civil war, and the final borders might not be recognizable.
ronigami@lemmy.world 1 month ago
How many people do you think live in Oregon?
The majority of Oregonians live in Portland metro area.
A similar stat can be found regarding Seattle metro, and Washington has more blue cities than OR.
redchert@lemmygrad.ml 1 month ago
Jackson
Lincoln, Jefferson or Liberty not jackson
Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
When?
figjam@midwest.social 1 month ago
I did not have “Civil War over vaccines” on my apocalypse bingo card.
InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 1 month ago
ayyy@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
It’s literally a life-or-death matter.
figjam@midwest.social 1 month ago
Yes, civil wars (or really any war) usually involves that sort of struggle. And also yes, vaccines save lives and are settled science.
spinne@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
2025 has had a lot of unexpected surprises!
figjam@midwest.social 1 month ago
still 3+ months of surprise left. So tired, so very tired
nocturne@slrpnk.net 1 month ago
fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 1 month ago
They should probably just join back up with Old Mexico and take Colorado too so they are left out cold
Itd4n@ani.social 1 month ago
As much as I would love Colorado to depart the insanity, it will never happen. A ton of the nuclear ICBMs are here and it’s not like Washington will give that up.
CrazyLikeGollum@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Throw in British Columbia and Alaska while you’re at it. Just take the entire west cost of North America.
And what should be the east coast, since if the international date line didn’t do that weird curve at the end of the Aleutians, Alaska would be the northernmost, westernmost, and easternmost state.
onslaught545@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
If NM joined I’d move there in a heartbeat.
papertowels@mander.xyz 1 month ago
NM is there in spirit!
Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Isn’t that Cascadia?
lectricleopard@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Usually, when people talk about Cascadia as a country, they include British Columbia.
rbos@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
God we have trouble enough with Toronto thinking it’s the centre of the world and ignoring BC. We’d have zero influence in Cascadia.
BigBenis@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Technically, only a small section of California is part of the Cascadian region. But so is most of Idaho… And I think just about everybody would be happier if we made that trade.
TimewornTraveler@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
geographically cascadia excludes socal and includes BC. it’s a different climate, ecosystem, etc
pyre@lemmy.world 1 month ago
i love that the health guy looks like the most illnesses possible in one person
brown567@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
He’s just 16 preventable illnesses in a trenchcoat
ContriteErudite@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Has anyone seen RFK Jr. and one of Nurgle’s Great Unclean Ones in the same room together? I don’t think so…
crapwittyname@feddit.uk 1 month ago
This is gold. I could see John Oliver or Jon Stewart saying this.
Republican Health Minister and sixteen-preventable-illnesses-in-a-trenchcoat, promising he’s a real boy, RFK Jr. said this week…
SacralPlexus@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Many people are saying there is something wrong with his mitochondria.
jve@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Well that can’t be good. That’s the power house of the cell!
Prior_Industry@lemmy.world 1 month ago
The deep dent in the side of his temple is the icing on the cake.
inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Meanwhile Florida has started to form toddler death Voltron by announcing they’re removing all vaccination requirements from schools.
I fully expect there to be a southern collation of Iron Lungs soon.
brem@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
The worst thing about Toddler Death Voltron is: it is sentient and wants to no longer exist but they refuse to let it die because it hasn’t been born yet.
Good luck writing THAT into your next screenplay MAGA Universe Doctor Strange
orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
blinfabian@feddit.nl 1 month ago
CASCADIA IS REALLLLLLLL!!!
orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
smeenz@lemmy.nz 1 month ago
I think a lighter blue or cyan at the top would make the tree more visible and better match the sky
orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
Say nothing more until you read this.
Rozauhtuno@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
Mom: We have Lebanon at home…
compostgoblin@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
Free Cascadia!
hperrin@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
Maybe we should be our own country…
Please.
Suck_on_my_Presence@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Cascadia Cascadia Cascadia! ! !
Slab_Bulkhead@lemmy.world 1 month ago
hella stoked for the Pacific States of America.
boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 month ago
If those 3 leave the union, I think the country’s more or less done for.
Omgpwnies@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I’m sure Canada could find a use for a few more provinces…
rekabis@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
The agreed-upon future name is Cascadia.
Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 1 month ago
cascalifornian republic
oatscoop@midwest.social 1 month ago
Illinois is down.
fubarx@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Be a shame if they didn’t call it COW. Vaccinated so it doesn’t get Mad.
smeenz@lemmy.nz 1 month ago
Vaca vacunada :)
MangioneDontMiss@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
We need to start withholding federal taxes.
gladflag@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
This looks scarily like a map from a dystopian movie. WSA - Western States of America.
hildegarde@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
Good first step. We can and should do more.
spankmonkey@lemmy.world 1 month ago
With Florida ditching vaccine requirements it looks like the East Coast/West Coast feud is going to pick back up again.
Zonefive@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Shame Nevada turned more purple than blue last year else we could have joined them.
Empricorn@feddit.nl 1 month ago
Just creating this division is proof RFK should resign. We knew he was an activaxxer and against science, but enforcing his personal opinion on the entire country is unforgivable. At-risk children, elderly, and others will die because of his bias…
Mediocre_Bard@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Cascadia babeee!
deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 1 month ago
You get more national guard!
You all get more national guard!
ClathrateG@hexbear.net 1 month ago
American balkanisation when?
lena@gregtech.eu 1 month ago
I hope they secede from the Union
ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Why is it the westernmost states that are the most progressive?
“Progressive” being relative
Star@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
I love how many of us are so down for Cascadia. How do we get this in a vote?
TwinTitans@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Oh cool. Canada future provinces helping each other out.
Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
Another good day to live on the West Coast of the US I see.
Damn am I happy to live over here.
nucleative@lemmy.world 1 month ago
States have always been able to do these things.
Perhaps there are a few other administrative tasks they should collaborate on as well…
superb@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
Huge shout out to Brian Tyler Cohen for his on the ball reporting of all the Trump bullshit
LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 1 month ago
Now do this for every issue where the Feds are getting in the way.
Sunshine@piefed.ca 1 month ago
I think blue states should bring in all in-house solutions to cut the middleman White House out of it. States rights!
mean_bean279@lemmy.world 1 month ago
We did that with CARB and now the feds are trying to stop it after decades of other states signing on because it worked so well here in Cali.
Shrubbery@piefed.social 1 month ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Air_Resources_Board
Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 1 month ago
considering how california alone is like 14% or whatever of the US GDP, i’d say they should just tell the federal government to suck eggs
Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
At the very least they need to hire these doctors and scientists that RFK Jr. fired so their wisdom and knowledge don’t go to waste!