like⊠were a nation of immigrants. itâs part of your identity in the US.
"Sad thing to be, nonsensical thing to want to be" đđ„đđ„
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TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
Zombie@feddit.uk âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
Not according to ICE.
msage@programming.dev âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
Weâre all from Africa
Venus_Ziegenfalle@feddit.org âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
I think some people just like to be in touch with their ancestry which isnât suddenly cringe when youâre white. But I think for some other people itâs genuinely part of their victim complex. Irish people were among the most oppressed white minorities back in the day.
MelodiousFunk@slrpnk.net âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
Irish people were among the most oppressed white minorities back in the day.
Most of the Irish Americans I know are just keen on dishing it back out to whatever Other they can target. Iâm also related to most of the Irish Americans I know, so take that as you will.
breecher@sh.itjust.works âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
There is a difference between being in touch with your ancestry to claiming you are literally a nationality which you arenât. Americans always say âIâm Irish, Italian etc. etc.â and proceeds to be the ultimate arbiter of what is real Irish, Italian etc., when in reality they had some great-grandparents in of their family tree branches who may have been of that nationality.
By all means be interested in your ancestry, study the archives, learn about your distant family, but it does not suddenly make you Irish, Italian etc., you are American.
Sergio@lemmy.world âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
Guatemala is awesome. The countryside is beautiful and the people are descended from one of humanityâs major civilizations, the Mayans.
I realize OP is only half-serious, but they still come off as really ignorant.
Omnipitaph@reddthat.com âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
As someone who is doing a massive research project on the Maya peoples right now, that civilization was technologically way ahead of the game! They had toilets with a sewage system, clean aqueducts and water purification measures, and ball sports a thousand years before the Spanish that fucked em up. A THOUSAND YEARS.
Zwiebel@feddit.org âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
Not to mention the 200 000 people cities when in Europe a 50k city was considered big
SpaceFox@lemmy.ml âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
How did I come across as âignorantâ Take this from someone who has been to Guatemala. Anyone who knows anything about Guatemala would say what I said.
âThe countryside is beautiful and the people are descended from one of humanityâs major civilizations, the Mayans.â
You can cherry pick nice places from anywhere. Places like Mexico, Baltimore, South Africa, Brazil, Detroit and Guatemala have have some nice places here and there but letâs be honest like most of South America itâs a poverty filled shithole.
y0kai@lemmy.dbzer0.com âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
Idk lol some of our ancestors are just from a place and sometimes that place is Ireland. Want my white-ass to lie to you instead?
Iâm Hatian now.
MBech@feddit.dk âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
Itâs just a very foreign thing for us eurooeans. If weâre born in Italy, but some grandparent was born in Germany, we donât consider ourself to be german in any way. Weâd consider ourself italian and nothing else. It just seems so incredibly odd to even consider oneself to be german if you didnât spend time growing up in Germany.
ViperActual@sh.itjust.works âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
I think the reason itâs so prevalent here in the US is because the vast majority of the population ended up here at least in part due to immigration. So identifying as ethnically originating from elsewhere is a part of that self identity.
The disparity however, is knowing that while traveling through Europe, this style of self identification falls flat because simply being ethnically from a place doesnât mean you can claim to be born and raised from there. And that meaning is whatâs different between the US and Europe.
y0kai@lemmy.dbzer0.com âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
I guess that makes sense. We have our âheritageâ pushed on us from a very young age, or at least we did when I was a child. In the 4th grade we did an entire reenactment of immigrating through Ellis Island, NY in which we had to research our countries of origin, then draw from a hat to see if we died on the journey, got small pox, or any other number of things all before being âaccepted into the wonderful cultural melting-pot that is the United Statesâ.
Then we grew up and learned that all immigrants are evil and must all be deported. /s?
Regardless, my family immigrated from Ireland after having lived in County Cork for a very long time. This whole post just seems like shitting on people just to shit on people.
Sad thing to be, nonsensical thing to want to be
Well, thanks for calling me sad for a thing Iâm mostly indifferent about and have no choice in, OP.
infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
Ethnicity vs nationality.
paranoia@feddit.dk âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
What a fucking weird and racist post. ânot even the Irish want to be Irishâ
insaneinthemembrane@lemmy.world âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
Looks like itâs just trying to be controversial. The Irish are fine, they have nothing to be ashamed of and lots to be proud of. Most of the world either doesnât know who they are or loves them.
peteypete420@sh.itjust.works âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
It really is. As an American with some Irish, (if its a white from eastern europe it turned up on our dna test thingy) Im not sure if I or actual Irish people should be more offended.
Revan343@lemmy.ca âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
The Irish have had a very shitty past, is probably what theyâre getting at
paranoia@feddit.dk âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
Nah, donât agree. They established a hierarchy of âgood nationalitiesâ to be and put others like Irish and Lithuanian below them.
RadioFreeArabia@lemmy.world âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
They didnât choose to be brutally colonized by the English
DrSoap@lemmy.world âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
I have a friend who came over from Moscow and is an immigrant to the U.S. herself. A few years ago she started telling me she has Irish heritage and she knows it because she felt it in her bones and can see it in her dreams. Now she goes twice a year to âreconnect with her roots.â She was so confident that she did a 23andme and it showed that she was 99% of her heritage with a 1% broadly european. That 1% is what she is now claiming is her Irish portion.
I donât know. I really donât even know.
crunchy@lemmy.dbzer0.com âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
Mine said I was 0.2% Mongolian so now I endearingly tell stories of my Grandpa Khan.
HK65@sopuli.xyz âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
You need to be listening to The Hu now all day every day to reconnect with your roots. And also just because they are awesone
Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
if 1% irish heritage makes you irish then i should be able to claim citizenship in most of europe
kameecoding@lemmy.world âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
Fucking no one tell this person about the EU and free movement.
supernicepojo@lemmy.world âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
We as Americans lack a certain amount of culture, we look to our pasts and see what it is our families have come from. So many Irish came here, for so many reasons, the cultural heritage barely came with it, leaving a big gaping hole in what we tend to identify ourselves with.
I like to use the analogy of the Native American Indian who was displaced and massacred, captured and forced to go to Indoctrination camps as children. Where they applied the âkill the indian, save the childâ methodology, abhorrent to think of, its not far off from cultural genocide.
So, we look back and find our parents and grandparents nationalities, where they have come from, we adopt what little we know of what it means to be Irish. All thats left here is Irish bars and St Patricks Day, Boston and Chicago. Americans will happily tell you about their heritage but its not a long story to tell. We are the children of immigrants striving to find a way to make a home and anyone else to connect with for community.
Godric@lemmy.world âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
I agree with 99% of you comment but
We as Americans lack a certain amount of culture
Is just plain false.
American TV, film, music, fashion, food, technology food and to a lesser extent sports are so influential on the world stage they arenât even thought of as American half the time.
Like it or not, half the worldâs wearing blue jeans drinking coca cola watching Hollywood movies or posting about it on shitter while rock or rap plays in the background.
supernicepojo@lemmy.world âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
I thought that would be the point I would get called out on. I tried to phrase it around what capitalism makes, its such a short sighted cultural influence that bears very little of what we internalize. I see our American influence everywhere, but we still lack something more concrete to anchor our individual identities.
Bruncvik@lemmy.world âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
Itâs the same nonsense as invoking âthe luck of the Irishâ. Said by people who have absolutely no idea about Irish history.
Krauerking@lemy.lol âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
Darn those extra lucky Irish.
In Fact itâs well known that they fought overwhelming on the north side of the US civil war because they knew which side was gonna win from their luck, and it had nothing to do with recognizing slavery as another form of the serfdom they just escaped from.
tamal3@lemmy.world âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
Citizenship question: my grandfatherâs parents were born in Ireland. My grandfather, who didnât know he had been adopted until much later in life (by a Jewish woman), became an Irish citizen in his 50s and had dual citizenship until his death.
As a desperate American⊠can I get Irish citizenship through my grandfather, a naturalized Irish citizen who was not born in Ireland?? I can (understandably) not find an answer to this on the Irish citizenship website.
Sincerely, an American who spent 12 hours protesting at a No Kings rally yesterday
baggachipz@sh.itjust.works âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
I donât think so, it has to be more direct IIRC. Iâve been looking into it too, for the same reasons. My Great Grandmother emigrated here⊠nope.
Bruncvik@lemmy.world âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
One of your grandparents had to be born in Ireland, not just obtained Irish citizenship later in life. If he was born in Ireland, youâll need his original birth certificate. More info here.
That said, I have a few formerly US coworkers who did get Irish citizenship by naturalization. That requires life in Ireland for at least 5 out of the last 9 years. Studying doesnât count, so youâll either have your current employer transfer you here, or youâll find a job and move here. Your employer will apply for a 2-year work visa, which can be extended for another 3 years, after which you can apply for permanent residency. If you are employed in one of the critical skills jobs, you can apply for permanent residency in less than 2 years.
PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
Itâs economically stable white people trying to find a way to be the victim.
You donât see actually marginalized white people (poor, disabled, etc) doing this, just suburban Karens and shitMist101@lemmy.world âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
Uh, 'scuse me, I am proud to be Irish ~and Scottish, both from about 400 years back~! I take pride in my heritage by regularly listening to Celtic music.
Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
come out ye black and tans, 24/7/365
fibojoly@sh.itjust.works âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
Good news, you can start listening to Kneecap now!
psychadlligoat@piefed.social âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
I use it to explain my massive capacity for alcohol
"I'm scotch/Irish on one side and German on the other, 3 generations both sides and they bred in the community until my parents!" as I'm on my third boot and finally starting to slur my speech lol
BigPotato@lemmy.world âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
I usually joke âThe Polish in me knows how to drink, the Irish in me doesnât know how to stop.â
cb900f_bodhi@lemmynsfw.com âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
Beat me to it. Take my upvote!
RedFrank24@lemmy.world âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
They want to be European, but donât want the stink of colonialism, whilst also feeling like rebels, so Ireland it is!
burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
Irish and Italians are interesting because they were historically considered âcoloredâ or at least on the same societal rung as colored people.
dbtng@eviltoast.org âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
My wee Irish grandmother would take issue with this. Her pride was more about being Catholic, but she was definitely Irish. Soda bread. Weird Easter pastries. Ya, cabbage and alcohol too. Just little bits and bobs of Irish culture.
joyjoy@lemmy.zip âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
I bet they also question âwhy would anyone want to be a woman?â
SpaceFox@lemmy.ml âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
As a woman and the op I wonder this myself.
Etterra@discuss.online âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
Eh it depends on who you are and where youâre from. Chicago and Boston have a lot of Irish heritage. Everywhere else itâs mostly just St. Patrickâs Day, aka amateur night. So itâs mostly just an excuse for the lightweights to go get drunk on shitty beer.
Seriously, who gets drunk on Miller or Budweiser? Itâs like trying to run a car engine on Kool-aid.
LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
There is a population of Ireland is around 5.3 million. More than 6 million people have immigrated to the U.S. from there. Factor in kids, grandkids and such⊠It makes sense that there would be a number of people claiming Irish heritage. Also the number of people who find an Irish accent attractive is non-zero.
joel_feila@lemmy.world âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
Yup there are more people of irish decent in usa the there are humans in Ireland
peteypete420@sh.itjust.works âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
Irish by birth. Catholic by choice. Fishtown by the grace of god.
Not me, but an actual shirt you can by in one of phillies more popular neighborhoods. Just wanna let ya know philly has plenty of irish pride, even if its mostly located in a working class now gentrified neighborhood with an American style history of racism and also a history of chart topping drug problems.
NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
There are some great YouTube videos of Irish people having to deal with American tourists who think theyâre Irish.
Snowclone@lemmy.world âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
The best is that one âfollow me, Iâm deliciousâ Irish guy. He said ââEveryone I know is Irish, so itâs hard for me to get excited about itââ
joel_feila@lemmy.world âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
We err they obsessed because red heada are hot and irish beer os better the American beer
sness@sh.itjust.works âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
My great grandparents came to the US and claimed to be Irish. We strongly suspect this was a lie and they were German but arrived during a time where Germans were⊠unpopular.
PunkRockSportsFan@fanaticus.social âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
Itâs fun to make fun of Americans who are proud of their Irish ancestry. I dunno why. But it is.
Source: american cheese American with Irish composing a decent chunk
selkiesidhe@lemm.ee âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
My dadâs side of the family was supposedly Irish. Bunch of reprobates and thieves. I would admit to being related to none of them even if they could prove it with papers lol
Nothing against Irish people. Just thought Iâd share.
atlien51@lemm.ee âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
Iâve been asking this same goddamn question dude. I donât get it
Krauerking@lemy.lol âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
The Irish was the last white European immigrant community that was treated poorly after immigration so by claiming to be part of that they get to claim to be part of that oppression and use it to pretend to themselves they are an underdog regardless how much their existence would be unlike any actual Irish immigrants.
atlien51@lemm.ee âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
That is gross
can@sh.itjust.works âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
Getting drunk on St. Pattyâs
Numenor@lemmy.world âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
St. Paddyâs, sir.
can@sh.itjust.works âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
Ah, of course.
MIDItheKID@lemmy.world âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
Funny story, my lineage is Irish and Lithuanian. So take that, I guess.
Justathroughdaway@lemmy.world âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
Admitting you have problems is the first step.
kadaverin0@lemmy.dbzer0.com âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
My maternal great-grandfather fled Ireland after the Civil War ended because he was a republican fighter. Does that count?
RedditRefugee69@lemmynsfw.com âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
Because we have a holiday that is more or less Irish Pride Day (St. Patrickâs Day).
If there was a Lithuanian Pride Day, thereâd probably be just as many Americans searching their ancestry for a Lithuanian connection.
SpaceFox@lemmy.ml âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
Nice to see someone liked it.
some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org âš3â© âšweeksâ© ago
Iâve got Irish heritage. My dentist asked me about it because I have a red beard (brown hair). She explained that people with red hair are less responsive to Novocain. I always knew I wasnât bullshitting that the dentist hurt me as a teen. Finally, proof!
LogicalDrivel@sopuli.xyz âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
Not only Novocain, but lots of different types of anesthesia. Im a ginger and have woken up in several procedures, even after warning the doctor I probably would.
Rusty@lemmy.ca âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
The band Eels in their song Novocaine for the Soul claims that efficacy of that drug is linked to having a soul and as we all know ginger do not have one.
some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org âš2â© âšweeksâ© ago
Sounds like hell.