Did we stop them from building the internment camps at the border in his last term?
Is anyone planning on doing anything about trump creating a concentration camp at guantanamo bay?
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rumba@lemmy.zip 11 hours ago
MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
Did we stop the Biden administration from using them once Trump built them? No, no we did not.
endeavor@sopuli.xyz 9 hours ago
Okay now that we agree concentration camps bad, what is your opionion on trump making new ones?
rumba@lemmy.zip 10 hours ago
Yeah, never mind, you know Trump built them. No bid deal great guy.
Does your arm get tired with all those straight elbow salutes or do you get used to it? How hard is it to learn that craze walk you guys do?
Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
Nope
zlatiah@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
Yes, I already did, even before this particular news broke out…
I tried to individually tell every one I know (which is not too many ppl sadly), basically told every single one of them to consider back-up career options… There are a couple of 1-year exchange students from Europe in my floor and I have not-subtly hinted at them to make contingency plans for PhD training back home. I’ve been following the news very carefully recently so I can share relevant items as soon as possible… The people need to know. I’ve even considered making know-your-rights printouts before they claimed they’re doing an ICE raid in Chicago, but realized how little resources I have for that… I absolutely will do something. Not sure what it is but I can’t see society go this way.
I just feel bad that as a non-US citizen there is only so little I can do… I don’t even know if I could join a protest without being considered for deportation at this rate. Am planning my leave as well so there’s that.
Funny incident, I blurted out to my family 2-months ago that Trump will probably build a concentration camp and was told to shut the F up… Murphy’s law I suppose
watson387@sopuli.xyz 1 day ago
No one in the government is going to do anything about it. They’ll argue about it, but nothing will be done. They all bow and lick the boot of a fucking clown. Trump, with a lot of help from billionaires and the media, lied and manipulated his way into power. He’s just a mouthpiece and easily manipulated; not smart enough to come up with any of this. The fact that 33%+ of the country’s population thinks he’s a genius is sickening.
Immigration is the horror show they’re going to use as a distraction while they pass Christofascist laws, all while Trump and his new billionaire buddies loot the country. I would suggest everyone actually read Project 2025 and see what their future plans are.
gothic_lemons@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
Most power is freely given in authoritarian regimes. We should fight back, not give up hope. We should call and write our representatives in congress.
This was a law that went throught congress first. 12 democrats voted for it. Those Democrats we should be flooded with our thoughts and feelings on the issue.
Republicans as well. I’d like to believe there are a few left who don’t agree with what’s going on, but are too spineless to do anything about it. Maybe guilt and pressure can make them fight next time.
We should fight too and nail with everything we have. We haven’t totally lost our democracy until they shred the constitution and write a new one, or pack it with amendments.
Bytemeister@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
Nice try FBI guy.
Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
You caught me, i am a Fat Balding Italian. At least partially Italian.
Hossenfeffer@feddit.uk 5 hours ago
I’m not Italian, but I am a Fat Balding Idiot so we’re all good.
Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 1 day ago
Every member of the military needs to be reminded that they are obligated to disobey illegal orders. Every member of the military needs to be reminded that the Posse Comitatus act prohibits the military from engaging in domestic law enforcement activities.
And the military needs to be reminded that immigration is a law enforcement issue, not a military issue.
Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 1 day ago
They will just remind them that trump is immune and he will pardon loyalists.
Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 1 day ago
One final reminder to every military officer: The statute of limitations on these crimes extends well beyond Trump’s term: They can be prosecuted under the next president.
henfredemars@infosec.pub 1 day ago
That’s what yes-men are for – to work around such pesky limitations on power.
Alteon@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
I dunno man…are you? I can’t afford to go to prison. I have three kids that rely on me for sustenance and a house. Nothing that Trump administration does is going to make life more difficult for me currently. I’m emailing politicians, trying to make good points online, and protest. I think that’s all I can do right now. Now, if my family is threatened, or I can no longer provide for my family, then we’ll talk again.
Blackmist@feddit.uk 9 hours ago
I think we’re starting to see in real time why nobody stopped Hitler either.
Alteon@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
The people in power that are supposed to stop this aren’t. AOC is trying to rally people, but not sure how effective it’s going to be yet.
Anything you do as an individual is likely to fail and only make things way, way worse. So you tell me man…what should I do that I’m not already doing?
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 5 hours ago
Joining an armed resistance has a high chance of death. Turns out a lot of people like being alive. I can see why other countries saw a bit more resistance too, when your country voted for it there is probably an impression many support it
samus12345@lemm.ee 8 hours ago
And the US is about 28 times larger than Germany, making it even harder for people to travel it to a focal point of power to resist.
RHSJack@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
Yup. I’ve seen in my own family. Started in November with the anti Nazi talk. Then around Christmas the Biden whataboutisms started: Yeah but Biden is actually doing stuff Trump started so they are both bad. Now I am hearing the same points @alteon made. Anything to keep from doing the right thing and fight fascism bc I have an early meeting, the kids have soccer practice, well I don’t see any of it so its not as bad as the internet makes it sound, blah blah blah.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
Nothing that Trump administration does is going to make life more difficult for me currently.
Woof. I remember saying that back in 2017. Four years later…
orcrist@lemm.ee 22 hours ago
Gitmo should have been shut down two decades ago. Torture, waterboarding, “advanced interrogation techniques” … don’t think we forgot about that. It’s a shame that no American president had the courage to close down dirty military institutions.
blazeknave@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
You would prob enjoy Jon Stewart’s “is this fascism?” video.
Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
Stop. This is so fucked up. This has nothing to do with president’s od christmas past. This is the current president opening a concentration camp. Just stop with this false equivalence.
jonne@infosec.pub 18 hours ago
You had 2 Democratic presidents since it opened. It’s a legitimate criticism. Trump is using existing infrastructure that could’ve been dismantled.
Exusia@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
Kind of jumping into the middle of yours and his here, but the ghosts of our past is quite frankly always relevant. As a gross oversimplified example, WW1 caused many hard feelings and set the stage hat led to WW2. The end of WW2 left the US in a position to consolidate a large amount of power, while the Soviet Union gathered allies to match. This put In place many scare tactics you see used even today. The collapse of the Soviet Union put Putin in position to become the president for 30+ years. One could say that Germany backsliding caused the Kaiser to put Lenin on a train to the Russian Empire is the reason the world is in the state it is in today.
The ghosts of our past are ALWAYS relevant and pretending things should be changed in a bubble does no good when planning the effects. Torture has been shown to be ineffective and counterproductive. Many voters opposed Citizens United, yet it was passed under Obama. Many citizens opposed the Patriot Act, citing it’s opportunity to be misused to indefinitely hold people. And sure enough Bush signed it and we are still dealing with the repurcussions.
Both Obama AND Biden ran on the platform to close Guantanamo so it could not be misused, and did not. Could Trump have reopened it? Sure! But then we’d be faulting him for reopening it AND using it as a camp. It’s not “both sides nonsense” to say that if Obama had succeeded in it before he left office, we wouldn’t be in this position. He stated as early as 2009, and had 7 years after that to get the votes together, ultimately handing it off to Trump in 2016 with 0 inmates because he failed to get a vote to approve it. Trump didn’t close it for obvious reasons, and then Biden had 4 years to take his crack at it and also failed to close it. And now, here we sit almost 20 years later with bushes prison island still open, being used for the same evil bush used it for - hiding people from the press so those nasty headlines stop because they can’t access the island.
conditional_soup@lemm.ee 12 hours ago
Dude, fascism didn’t spring into being fully formed out of nothing on the dawn of January 20th, just as the Roman Republic didn’t crumble in a day. It’s been decades and decades of baby steps towards this point, until we finally got to where things could get much worse all at once. Yeah, Kamala wouldn’t have made gitmo into a concentration camp, but she wouldn’t have dismantled the machinery built by the war on terror and the war on drugs that the fascists are using right now. Let’s not oversell it; at best, she would’ve kicked the can down the road another four years. Our past leaders all had chances and made commitments to close gitmo, and they had the perfect authority to do so, and then decided that they could wield the tools of fascism wisely rather than destroying them so that a future fascist wouldn’t have them just laying around. This is on all of them, too.
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
Over turning Bush II’s policies were the primary reason I voted for Obama. Since then, I’ve only depressingly voted for democrats on the basis that they would at least slow the rise of fascism.
This isn’t “both sides”, but if we couldn’t get gitmo closed with democrats, how could we do it with bold faced fascists?
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
If we put kamala in the white house do you think there is even a 1% chance she would open a concentration camp at gitmo?
I believe that having the choice to either expand gitmo, close gitmo, or do nothing and leave it for the next republican to deal with, she would choose to do nothing about it, which is still better then Trump and why I voted for her, but it was a depressing vote. She is not more progressive then Obama and Obama did not close gitmo. You don’t gently wine down Auschwitz.
I was excited when Obama won and would close gitmo. I was hopeful that Biden would have a huge program to reunite the separated families. I begrudgingly voted for the cop that the DNC thought was a good idea after months of BLM protests. I’m burnt out now.
Anamnesis@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
How many people has Donald Trump had tortured…so far? His crimes still pale in comparison to George W Bush, who should have been hanged by the neck until dead.
postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
Its like having a permenant place nobody ever looks at with no rules.
Way too convienient to get rid of.
Probably more a decision of the intelligence communities more than the military.
AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net 6 hours ago
Maybe we can start by looking at all the corporations who are most supporting him, and push hard for boycotts. It might be slightly indirect, but corporate partners do seem to have the most influence on policy decisions. Maybe we could make a document in the style of the PrivacyGuides project to help people choose alternatives to fascist supporters.
I’ve seen posts on Mastodon calling for the general strike as well.
Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
General strike is the way to go. It’s like peaceful protesting but it’s devastating to the thing they care about most. Older gen are mostly trumpets so they also get hit when their generational wealth drys up and they get to be the ones worrying about making rent.
I’ve been saying it but most people are hard programed not to question anything and never stick their neck out. I would have hoped concentration camps would be a line in the sand but just look, all over the this post people are obsfucating who is responsible. They think it’s important to assign blame to democrats, an almost irrelevant factor after they proved they can no longer win elections at a national level.
Anyway, I’ll be there with you when the strike hits. By that I mean the strike of the billy club as they throw me in a patty wagon for dissent.
DragonofKnowledge@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 hours ago
I made a community for it.
RamblingPanda@lemmynsfw.com 12 hours ago
I’m gonna be mad about it and have a negative opinion about the US.
Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
Better then trying to deflect it on the democrats through some crazy mental gymnastics.
Sorry, I’ve been getting trolled since about 10PM last night.
RamblingPanda@lemmynsfw.com 12 hours ago
Nah, I know who’s responsible. I just can’t do anything from my country. That’s a US problem. And Cuba I guess.
Rhusta@midwest.social 11 hours ago
I don’t know what gymnastics you’ve already seen, but I think they share some blame. I agree Trump proposing to send migrants to Guantanamo falls on Trump and Trump alone. However, Obama and Biden both campaigned on closing Guantanamo and claimed it was a priority for their legacy. Both had 2 terms each to do so. Both could have done so with executive orders without the need of congress. But as soon as they were elected you never heard about it again. Because Dems don’t want to close Guantanamo. They want to have an offshore prison where they can detain people without due process and torture them on foreign soil. Dems love the police state and Dems love military expansionism as much as Republicans. It would be a lot harder for Trump to send people to Guantanamo if the facility had already been shut down and turned over to the Cuban government. So its not the Democrat’s fault but it would not have been possible if they had followed through with their campaign promises. So fuck Trump and fuck Elon as well, but let’s not pretend the Dems actually have any intention of advancing a progressive or even a populist agenda because they don’t.
MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
Neither side is good on this issue. Trump opened camps and Biden continued to use them.
randon31415@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
Think the only ways to stop this is passing a bill prohibiting using money on GITMO like the Republicans did with the prohibition of spending money to close GITMO.
Or lawsuits.
Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
Or the people take a stand.
VinesNFluff@pawb.social 11 hours ago
Everyone who was supposed to prevent this and had the power to do so either tried and failed or didn’t bother.
Right now the objective is “Survive”, the bad guys have already won.
RHSJack@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
Yep.
whotookkarl@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
A consideration to the ending of slavery in the United States was the advent of photography. Film was used to share the horror of the Nazi concentration camps in WW2 because they knew there would be people who deny history. Israel denied access and targeted journalists in Gaza for over a year for a reason.
Public perception sways from indifference to protests when they can’t look away from the destructive results. It’s the whole reason black sites like Guantanamo Bay exist in the first place and were used to hold extradited citizens without due process for years, they want to pretend the Constitution doesn’t exist and they haven’t sworn oaths to it and will do everything they can to hide their crimes.
RHSJack@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
@surph_ninja@lemm.ee Just pointed this out. We already see the horror every day. Aint nothing going to happen.
MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
We have had one there for 25 years now.
LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
I dunno, what’s your plan?
abbadon420@lemm.ee 6 hours ago
Go to the Winchester, grab a nice cold pint and wait for this all to blow over.
Hossenfeffer@feddit.uk 5 hours ago
Okay. But dogs CAN look up!
DigitalNirvana@lemm.ee 6 hours ago
I’ll meet ya there in a bit.
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
Write lots of scathing comments online
dhork@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I plan on complaining about it on the Internet. That’ll show 'em!
Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 1 day ago
That seems to be the sentiment
bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 10 hours ago
Ok, what are YOU going to about it? You’ve stomped your feet and pointed your finger at just about everyone else in this thread, what’s your plan?
MajorMajormajormajor@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
In the presidential campaign, when Trump said he would help out the average person, yet he filled his cabinet with nazi billionaires. I mean, what are we to believe, a criminal is held accountable, or something? Ha ha, boy, I really hope somebody got fired for that blunder.
undefined@lemmy.hogru.ch 23 hours ago
what are we to believe
Why Fox News, Newsmax and random cryptofucks of course!
bountygiver@lemmy.ml 6 hours ago
No one is doing anything, because we all decided when facists win legally, we must play by their rules of must not do anything about it.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
No one is doing anything
Plenty of not-terminally-online people are organizing to resist mass arrests and deportations. Reach out to your local DSA. My Houston chapter’s been great about pulling together legal resources, just for starters.
Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
We could all decide otherwise. That mean ignoring nay sayers and aligning yourself with only people who share your values.
KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 5 hours ago
I dunno what I can do besides get out of the US or sewer slide.
surph_ninja@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
You just watched over a year of a live-streamed genocide. What makes you think either party is opposed to this? Or that the people will draw the line here?
tree@lemmy.ml 14 hours ago
Is there anything Americans could do to petition other countries to help us? ICC or the UN? Or in civil court, could we crowdfund lawyers to sue the government?
NIB@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
The US government does not recognize the ICC. The UN has no power, at most it can sent a stern letter. What could happen is the EU maybe complaining or even sanction the US but considering that Germany literally passed an illegal immigration law yesterday(the conservatives with support from the nazis), my hopes are not high.
Human rights is more of an optics(or an excuse) issue, rather than something that governments care about.
Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
Would like to know as well.
joel_feila@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
America is not a part of the icc any more effectly putting the usa out of reach. Also they were never a signatory to the international declaration for the prevention and punishment for the crime of genocide
Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
Over dramatize it as much as possible making it very easy to satirize.
dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
sue the government?
About that. One frequently looks to the Executive branch to enforce laws, rulings, and other things of legal import. Exactly how does this work if that arm of the government is found guilty of a crime?
RedEyeFlightControl@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
“We find ourselves not guilty of any wrongdoing oh by the way the president is immune to prosecution”
shit’s going as planned. what options do we have?
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
Already did it. Got the fuck out. It’s not like I can swim to Gitmo.
aggelalex@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
Guantanamo bay was a thing ever since 2002. Biden and Obama tried to make it smaller. Trump is trying to grow it. If there was a clear action to be done that ended this abhorrence it would have been done by now already, but it has proved too resilient already. So no, there isn’t anything that’s gonna be done about it, except grow it as per Trump’s request.
droporain@lemmynsfw.com 14 hours ago
Lol from promising to close to “make smaller”.
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
“We tried to do a thing but it was hard so we did half a thing.” - Democrats
“We tried to do a thing but it was hard so we’re giving up. Enjoy high grocery prices” - Trump
Almost the same, but not quite.
Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
30000 immigrats.
Check the number.
Maybe when you get a break from fapping over trumps portrait.
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
Yeah, I voted for Harris. Unfortunately, 6.27 Million 2020 Biden voters did not do the same.
Shotgun_Alice@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
I think it’s a distinct possibility, obviously there is something going on that he doesn’t want the American people to see. Best case scenario, ill treatment of detainees, worst case scenario, yeah it’s a death camp.
z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml 17 hours ago
And then the US said to Germany, “We too, can do Auschwitz.”
SuperEars@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
Recommenting from another post:
I sent a text to those I love in any capacity, even former coworkers who’ve probably deleted my number. Not a group text - one by one. I think it’d be prudent for all US readers to consider doing the same.
Knowing some of you are like me, in that you might not know how to word such a text to someone not expecting it from you, I offer you my copy/pasted text:
America has a concentration camp now. I won’t send you anything more…it’s kind of rude that I’m sending this one. lbc.co.uk/…/donald-trump-announces-plan-to-send-m…
LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 23 hours ago
Gonna be tough to stop the creation of the camp since it’s in Cuba but there are orgs that are rolling out strategies to protect people in their communities from getting caught up in this. Check out your local orgs and see who is working on this and cooperate with them.
cley_faye@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
At this point, beyond enduring, I’m afraid there is no “non violent” options. And to be clear, I don’t think non-violent options are going to improve anything, just that there’s not much else to do.
Atlas_@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
Yes, arson.
Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
I think moderators on Lemmy and Reddit are working hard to remove posts and content
chiliedogg@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
American here:
I would like for the civilized world to do a full trade embargo on the US. I want the economy to nosedive so hard that either the GOP votes to remove the motherfucker from office, or get crushed in the biggest electoral landslide in history in 2026.
FarraigePlaisteach@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
That is probably the most effective thing that could happen. But if they won’t do it to Israel for committing genocide then I doubt they’d do it for it’s political doppelgänger.
Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
The world has that option. Come to think of it, it’s pretty pitiful they haven’t the humanity to stand up to this monster looming across the sea.
stringere@sh.itjust.works 4 hours ago
I’m almost as disappointed in the rest of the world not standing up to the USA as I am disappointed in my fellow citizens’ abdication of social and civic responsibility, common decency, and basic humanity.