Is there any non-zero possibility Musk was not doing a Hitler Salute?

Submitted ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨secretlyaddictedtolinux@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨[deleted]⁩

Musk:

-supposedly has autism

-autistic people sometimes make weird faux paus

To me, it looks like it’s clearly a Hitler salute and the logical conclusion is he’s a white supremacist. But I am just wondering if everyone else sees this that way with no room for it being a result of autism and definitely that.

Is there any possibility it could have been accidental? Or was he doing a Hitler salute, then “oh it was an accident” (wink) sort of thing? Did he apologize?

Lots of people on lemmy are really smart so I’m interested to read what people think.

The whole thing makes me really uncomfortable with buying from companies that have x profiles. I just don’t see how that coukd be accidental and it seems like no one cares.

There was this period before WWII when stuff started happening to reduce the rights of minorities, but they weren’t being killed blatantly. Is this where we are? I feel more scared to be in America now.

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xmunk@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
Yea sure - but it doesn’t matter. It could have mattered but his reaction to the reaction means it doesn’t.

If you accidentally do a nazi salute and then someone says “Hey bro, you really shouldn’t do a nazi salute” and another dude says “Hey bro, white power! I’m glad you’re on our side” and your immediate reaction isn’t “Oh fuck guys, I didn’t know that was a nazi salute, I fucking hate nazis” then, well, you did a nazi salute.

Elon did a thing.

People said “That’s a nazi thing”.

Elon didn’t immediately say “No, I didn’t do the nazi thing.”

∴ Elon is a nazi.

It’s also not like the fucker doesn’t have the ability to issue a statement correcting the public perception. He literally owns fucking X and the media salivate over his press releases.
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- spizzat2@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  
  If you accidentally do a nazi salute and then someone says “Hey bro, you really shouldn’t do a nazi salute”
  
  I like to think about how a person like that would react if they accidentally “acted gay”. Can you imagine how much they would trip over themselves trying to make sure people knew it was a mistake?
  
  If you don’t have that level of response to being called a Nazi, you’re probably a Nazi.
  
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  - NielsBohron@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    And if they work that hard to make sure everyone knows they’re not gay, then bonus! You also found out that they’re homophobic.
    
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  - gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    Point of order. He didn’t do a Nazi salute. He did two, within five seconds, on national television, at the inauguration.
    
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  - prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    Great comparison.
    
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- I_Miss_Daniel@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  First time in years I’ve seen the ‘therefor’ three dots!
  
  ∴ - copying to notes as I don’t think it’s available on Android keyboards.
  
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  - Pika@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    I didn’t even know it existed in the first place. I’m going to show my grandfather and see if he’s seen it before. I expect he has since he’s a retired english/history teacher
    
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  - xmunk@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    I always just search the web for “<symbol> unicode” when I need something obscure. Then again I’m old ;_;
    
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- Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  It’s crazy to me that people are denying it.
  
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- hisao@ani.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  
  Elon didn’t immediately say “No, I didn’t do the nazi thing.”
  
  He did though: x.com/elonmusk/status/1881746484229763524 My hypothesis: he practiced this and realized what the reaction it would cause, and did it simply to hype himself up. The whole inauguration event in people minds is now associated with Elon doing “sieg heil” while being high on ketamine.
  
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  - Brkdncr@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    I’m not seeing him saying it. He did a “what about” and then blamed the media.
    
    Also those are static images he’s showing. A video of those images would show very different hand motions.
    
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- shades@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
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  Elon did a thing.
  
  People said “That’s a nazi thing”.
  
  Elon immediately said “No, I didn’t do the nazi thing.”
  
  People said “we don’t believe you”.
  
  ∴ Elon is a nazi.
  
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sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
35 yo autistic person here:

I tend to ramble on and on when I am somewhat nervous, or excited, i’ll include too much detail that does eventually wrap around to connect to all the points I am trying to make, or story I’m trying to tell, but it can be laborious for a listener to make sense of.

I will often interperet things people say so literally that I miss or forget the context that the conversation is taking place in, and have to ask for clarification.

Saying goodbye and ending a conversation is always either too long and drawn out, or abrupt and curt to the point of often being interpreted as rude, even though I don’t mean to be rude.

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I do not have a tendency to do a goddamned nazi salute unintentionally.

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- prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  Also, if you did, you would likely be mortified and doing everything in your power to make sure nobody mistakenly takes you for a Nazi.
  
  Because, you know, you’re not a goddamn fucking Nazi.
  
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  - sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    Yep.
    
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swordgeek@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
It doesn’t matter.

It REALLY doesn’t matter.

If he was doing a Nazi salute, the consequences are obvious. If he was doing something “like” a Nazi salute but can plausibly deny it, the result is exactly the same; and that means that the intent is the same, even if it is proven (magically!) that it wasn’t a Nazi salute.

This is the result:

The Nazis of the world all saw it, and took it as a sign of unity. Nothing else matters.

Now Musk may or not may be autistic, but I know several autistic people (plus one with Tourette Syndrome, long ago) and you know what? Not a single one of them has done anything like a Nazi salute.

“Heil Hitler” as a phrase and a salute is fairly unique: It is something that is absolutely burned into the memory of most of humanity, regardless of language, culture, or society. Nobody with Musk’s worldly knowledge and experience would accidentally do something that close to a Nazi salute. Hell, an eight year old from Latvia wouldn’t accidentally do something like that. The knowledge and the taboo are absolutely burned into our collective consciousness.

There is absolutely zero chance whatsoever that Musk didn’t know what he was doing.

And even if that’s true, it honestly doesn’t matter.

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- timroerstroem@feddit.dk ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  
  It doesn’t matter.
  
  It REALLY doesn’t matter.
  
  Best way I saw it expressed: If you did something that was NOT a nazi salute, but other people perceived it as a nazi salute, you would IMMEDIATELY apologise and walk it back. Given that Muskolini has not done that, he did indeed do a nazi salute.
  
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  - wide_eyed_stupid@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    First time I’ve seen “Muskolini.” It’s so obvious, but I never would have thought of it myself.
    
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FelixCress@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
Have you actually watched it? It was clearly a fascists/nazi salute. People who say otherwise simply don’t want to admit it.

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- BedSharkPal@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  This. It’s the new litmus test for Nazi apologists.
  
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- secretlyaddictedtolinux@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  I did watch it and it scared me. No companies are cancelling twitter accounts, no one is crushing their Teslas into a cube, everyone just seems apathetic (except AOC)
  
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- False@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  I thought it looked kind of like he was flailing like an idiot. If it was a nazi salute (which is definitely possible) then it was a poorly done one (which tracks for him).
  
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  - FelixCress@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
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Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
No. In my opinion.

He has demonstrated a propensity for political action up to and including world changing meddling in democracies.

His person demands enough yearly salary from Tesla to cure cancer.

He cites history and in my recollection claims no ignorance of history.

It may be technically possible that it was a faux pas, but it is not feasibly a faux pas and is inexcusable even if it was one.

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rowinxavier@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
Nah, as an autistic person who works with many autistic people (I am a support worker), no. Autistic people are able to miss things, mistake social cues, and so on, but blaming autism for a Nazi salute is absolutely bullshit. Not to mention that he has done tonnes of other stuff which is in line with a Nazi salute and this is just the last in a long line of behaviours, and his family history etc, yeah, not autism, just Nazi shit.

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Chainweasel@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
If he did it once, it would have been an extremely low but still non-zero chance that it wasn’t a Nazi salute.

He did it twice though, it’s now firmly a 0% chance of any kind of coincidence, misunderstanding, etc.

Thus far he’s made no comment, not even to deny the Nazi intent.
No apology, no backtrack, no denial, he did it twice.
It was exactly what it appeared to be and nothing less.

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- secretlyaddictedtolinux@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  Thw twice in a row is meaninfful because that’s how the Nazi’s do it?
  
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  - dukeofdummies@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    If it’s twice, it’s not a random twitch or awkward wave. He sieg heiled the front and the back
    
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  - SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    Because it clearly was an intentional gesture.
    
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ohlaph@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
He was meddling with the afd in Germany, he’s proudly supports the apartheid in South Africa, and did a Nazi salute…

I mean, do we really need to spell it out for fucks sake?

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yum_burnt_toast@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
i think he allowed himself to do it as part of his edgelord persona, trying to trigger people on purpose. the motion is intentional as his arm shoots straight out to the side as opposed to being directed to the center of the crowd or sweeping across the crowd as if to spread his “heart” as it were.

the autism defense is one that i think is being used to try to checkmate the left on the subject, as they are the most offended by the gesture but also more likely to be sensitive to neurodivergent persons and potentially less likely to criticize their actions.

in short, i believe he intended the gesture as interpreted, just not as a genuine expression of his personal beliefs. that being said, i think hes a white supremacist fascist, but i dont think he thinks hes a white supremacist fascist.

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- HarryOru@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  I absolutely think you’ve hit the nail on the head in terms of his personal reasoning for it and the way the left is being manipulated as always. The terrifying part isn’t even the act itself but the lack of an appropriate response from the public and media, and all the blatant gaslighting that ensued. Ultimately he doesn’t need to believe he is a Nazi to make all the self-aware ones feel empowered and validated regardless. He was trying to prove a point and he did.
  
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  - Jarix@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    Musk is a distraction from everything orange clown is doing it wants to do.
    
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  - yum_burnt_toast@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    the scariest implication of this whole business is the most favorable interpretation of the nonplussed reaction of the majority is that they are in such denial that a nazi government could be possible again in a first world country that they cant see it for what it is. that is to say, the exact things the people who lived through it had been vigilant to remind us about ever since.
    
    i definitely agree that it empowers legitimate nazis, which i suppose could be his way of cultivating a voter base which no other candidate would openly support but would vote for whoever he throws his money behind as trump will no longer be a valid candidate. a best case scenario here would be that this kind of attention is too much even for trump to tolerate and will cut ties with him. i feel that would be likely to happen regardless, as they are two narcissists of the highest order, but it would be better if it happens sooner.
    
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- Feathercrown@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  This sums it up for me
  
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BradleyUffner@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
If you do something horrible by accident, you apologize for it. The fact that he hasn’t, tells you everything you need to know.

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CurlyWurlies4All@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
If it was an accident, he’d probably have apologized by now.

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- jacksilver@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  Yeah, if any normal person did a nazi salute by accident, they’d be all over the news refuting it. If he isn’t, then it seems to default to being a nazi salute.
  
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jj4211@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
First I’m not sure if he’s autistic or just saying “I’ve got Asperger’s so I’m allowed to be an asshole and you just need to deal.”

But let’s assume he is…

High functioning autism is not associated with involuntary Nazi salute gestures. It’s also not associated with the inability to learn the significance of the gesture.

So if autism is somehow related, then how would it be?

Well the “nice” option is he is going full 4-chan troll mode thinking it is hilarious without processing just how bad it is.

The other option is that he thought he did a credible cover to blow a dog whistle, but was unable to process that he was blowing a tuba instead.

In short, even if it was because of autism, it still almost certainly means it’s still quite on purpose, so it’s hardly an excuse that makes things any better.

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- lando55@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  Even if he mistakenly blew a dog tuba there seems to be very little long term damage caused, partly because our news cycle is saturated with equally disturbing behavior from others in positions of power
  
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conditional_soup@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
I don’t think so. My case:

Just at the level of fuckin eyeballing it, the comparisons to how Hitler did it to how Musk did it are pretty damning.

I asked Germans on Lemmy if Musk would’ve gotten fined if he was anyone else and had done this at an event in Germany, the answer was a confident yes. I expect Germans know it when they see it, and know how not to fall foul of the law, so that’s another good test that says Musk knew what he was doing.

Last and most damning is when you consider the context of the man himself. Musk has been directly sponsoring and promoting not just right wing but reactionary parties like AfD, MAGA, and whatever Nigel Farage’s fucking circus is called for years. You can also see this in how Twitter’s content is managed. The dude has been putting in lots of very visible work boosting Nazi messaging and actual Nazi politicians/parties. Is it REALLY such a shock that he would, ahem, stop hiding his power level in such a public way after a win like the 2024 election? I don’t think so, and especially not if you accept that Musk believes there’s not going to be another meaningful election. I don’t think the other oligarchs think so either, that’s why they’ve been so quick to fall in line and pay their tribute.

It’s time to face the music. Chat, we might be cooked.
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sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
He has been a public figure for over a decade and has a dedicated PR team. He knew exactly what he was doing. I have autism, I know what it is like, there is no chance I would ever do this.

A detail of note is that he denies having autism and prefers the term aspbergers which is not revognized by the DSM-5. This is interesting begans Hans Aspberger was an ardent eugenicist with nazi ties. Elon Musk is a fascist and has been for a long time.

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- hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  
  A detail of note is that he denies having autism and prefers the term aspbergers which is not recognized by the DSM-5. .
  
  Honestly more likely reason is that he was diagnosed with Asperger’s before DSM-5, which was released only 12 years ago, and is just more comfortable with the term over autism which is unfortunately often used in a derogatory manner.
  
  But that’s an interesting note regardless hehe
  
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- rockSlayer@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  Damn, I had no clue about the links between Asperger’s and the Nazi scientist. It’s a good thing that it’s not a diagnosis anymore, because of the whole nazi science thing.
  
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HarryOru@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
He did the Nazi salute twice, intentionally.

He said “my heart goes out to you” because of plausible deniability. He was giving his followers an argument to deny that he did it intentionally, both to themselves and others.

He has not directly denied it nor apologized for it.

European leaders are acknowledging it for what it is. Neo-Nazis are acknowledging it for what it is, and they loved it.

People who are sincerely on the fence about this, admitted they actually exist, need to wake the fuck up.

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Sirius006@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
People win elections all the time. People celebrate elections all the time. The last time somebody taking power did a gesture that looked like this was probably in Germany, 1933. This is no coincidence.

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FourPacketsOfPeanuts@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
I don’t think they are nazis, I think they are fascists. And I don’t think they even think of themselves as fascists, I think they just think power sets the rules and that a lot of people on the left’s attempts at ‘fairness’ are dumb, and (they think) ‘well if you want to call that ‘fascism’ then you’re an overreacting bitter delusional leftie’

Or something like that

I suspect he did it to take the piss. And to signal to elements of the right / far right that they should breathe a little more freely

Same way his government department is “doge”. Same way he named Tesla’s products “S.E.X.Y”. Many many things he does are bait.

But do I think musk stands for what the Nazis did? No. And I think he, and his type, enjoy thinking it’s “ridiculous” that anyone thinks that. “Obviously” he doesn’t want to gas the Jews. “Obviously” he doesn’t think all black people should be lynched.

But I do think he thinks it’s ok trans people are made to fear. That sub cultures are made to feel unwelcome. That checks and balances in government are as changeable as the furniture.

I think he thinks industry should serve a grand national vision.

I don’t think he gives a shit what that vision is as long as it involves him getting even more stupid wealthy

So this pretty much sums up fascism. He’s a fascist not a nazi…

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- laranis@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  First, I hope you’re right. Still a shitty world but less so than what I’m imagining. The whole “we understand power so we are smart and everyone else is not as smart” is spot on.
  
  But, I think it starts with no intention of gassing the Jews. But after a few generals have been replaced with lackeys, and those “deportation camps” in Texas start to be more trouble than they’re worth, and how convenient it was when that one bunch of them happened to die, a new final solution starts to look more probable. And of course the perpetrators of the new genocide are not the bad guys. They’re making the hard choices. They’re the smart ones and of course it made sense to do it since digging a mass grave was cheaper than feeding 10,000 recently ex-Americans in a camp far away. That’s just good economics, people! You have to think like a billionaire!
  
  That might have gotten away from me, but I do believe there’s a slippery slope and our new President and his orange skinned bff are waxing up the toboggan.
  
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  - FourPacketsOfPeanuts@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    As with how Nazism worked in Germany, I think a large amount of power and influence is happy to go along with whichever way the winds blowing but are not as committed to certain ideologies as much as the demogogues and fanatics. Hitler hid the final solution from the German populace, even when treating Jewish people like shit was a fairly normalised thing to do. That’s because even amongst the population of German ‘nazis’, many believed in the superiority of WASPs, would turn a blind eye to a Jewish person being beaten and robbed, but would balk at women and children being systematically exterminated on just a human level. Many “nazi” civilians were horrified and ashamed when the extermination camps came to light, even if they accepted concentration (prison) camps via ‘out of sight out of mind’.
    
    I think it’s far more likely Trump and co will get into a situation where “natural” or mob “justice” does as much as they care to do in that regard. That is, if predominantly black areas of a city have high crime and murders “screw them that’s their fault”. If that leads to inequality and shorter lives “screw them that’s their fault”. If illegal migrants get turned back at the border and die in the desert “screw them that’s their fault”. If trans people suffer trying to fit into society “screw them they’re the ones who want to act different”. And so on.
    
    I think it’ll absolutely result in suffering and death. But run an actual extermination camp in the 21st century? Well a) it wouldn’t be a secret at all b) for all its blagging America still very much needs it’s trading partners in Europe who would be horrified and c) a good chunk of maga would be horrified (some wouldn’t but a whole load would). As much as it’s fashionable to cast them all as brainrot sycophants, this isn’t quite true in reality…
    
    I think Trump fascism is about power and about WASP culture prestige and superiority, but I think money counts for far more than ethnic ideology. By all accounts Maga has never had an issue with the EB-5 visa program (aka “buying a green card”). For about a million dollars anyone in the world can become a US citizen as long as they create 10 or more American jobs with their investment. Most of these visas go to Chinese immigrants, but applications are also accepted from Mexico, Vietnam, India, Nigeria etc. Last time he was in office Trump extended the program.
    
    It’s all about power (according to them). If you’ve got money and you tow the line you’re fine irrespective of ethnicity. If you’re the “right kind” (white kind) of poor you may get help. Everyone else will find any kind of help very hard to come by even as their neighborhood becomes more lawless and lethal.
    
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- conditional_soup@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  I’ve met ironic Nazis before. Let me give you a spoiler, they’re actually just Nazis at the end of the day. The ironic bit is just a mask because they’re too chicken shit to admit it to themselves and others.
  
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- lurklurk@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  I think it’s fine to consider a fascist who does nazi salutes a nazi
  
  It’s not a very interesting hair to split unless you’re perfectly fine with fascists who do nazi salutes but draw the line at people who identify as nazi
  
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  - FourPacketsOfPeanuts@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    I think it’s a hair worth splitting because I find it very unlikely that he actual subscribes to the goals that the Germany Nazi party had. And I think he relies on this in order to cultivate the ‘owning the libs’ narrative he keeps with his supporters and acolytes. He’s fascist, and mischaracterising him plays into his hand to be honest…
    
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njm1314@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
No

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SelfProgrammed@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
I’m autistic too. I’ve fucked up socially A LOT but never in a “whoops, I just Nazi saluted” kind of way.

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DrFistington@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
The dudes family got rich using African slaves to dig diamonds out of the dirt. Oppression and dehumanization is in his blood. The only way to cure that is to let the blood out

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- Jarix@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  Get your facts straight. Or you are just a distraction. Be precise and accurate.
  
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prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
The fact that this is even a conversation is just insane to me…

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- secretlyaddictedtolinux@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  Part of my questioning my gut reaction was because of the ADL response. But the more I learn, the more clear it becomes it couldn’t be accidental.
  
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Glasgow@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
No.

The only way his autism is related is if he overestimated how funny it would be. But he 100% meant to do a Nazi salute. Twice, and then repeated a dog whistle to the 14-words.

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- Hawke@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  
  then repeated a dog whistle to the 14-words
  
  I missed that part. What was it?
  
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  - Glasgow@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    “It is thanks to you that the future of civilization is assured.”
    
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Feathercrown@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

There was this period before WWII when stuff started happening to reduce the rights of minorities, but they weren’t being killed blatantly. Is this where we are?

Yes, precisely. And it was undoubtedly a Nazi salute.

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Tedesche@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
There is always a possibility that he did not intend it to be a Hitler salute, but that possibility is not very plausible, because…he pretty much did a Hitler salute and the odds of him being ignorant of that fact are extremely low.

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- contaminateFresh@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  What is that barely readable font?
  
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- secretlyaddictedtolinux@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  is this real?
  
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- secretlyaddictedtolinux@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  Using a font similar the work sets us free sign in Auswitz after doing a Nazi salute? This seems intnetional and more than attention seeking.
  
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dustyData@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
Honesty here. The autistic argument is really offensive to people with autism, I asked a friend with high functioning autism about his opinion. It mistreats the condition to transform it into a political scapegoat. It misrepresents what autism is. Elon is not autistic, he’s is just a narcissist and always high on ketamine. I’ve met dozens of autistic persons, and not even once has anyone ever done the Nazi salute on accident, not even on highly euphoric social events. To suggest the autistic apology makes the person mentioning it sound awfully ableist and like an asshole. I suggest you don’t ever mention it out loud to anyone ever again. It’s insidious and dehumanizing against people with cognitive issues.

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- secretlyaddictedtolinux@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  i wasn’t trying tonbe offensive, sorry
  
  when i viewed it, it looked like a nazi salute
  
  but based on reactions and a lack of extreme across rhe board condemnation, I wondered if there was some strange explanation that wasn’t apparent to me
  
  Musk says he has Asperger’s, a type of high funxtioning autism i thought (but may be mistaken about). I just thought this could be the only possible explanation for such unusual behavior if it wasn’t just white supremacy, and even then it seemed unlikely to me.
  
  I’m also not that knowledgable about autism. I just have a hard time understanding the mild reaction it’s getting.
  
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  - dustyData@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    There’s a mild reaction from media because media conglomerates are on board with the plan. Commentators made up the autistic apology immediately on the spot, because they’re ableist and assholes themselves.
    
    It’s like media excusing sexual predators because they had a rough life growing up gay and similar excuses. It’s a double whammy, excusing the offender in the public light while simultaneously demonizing a minority. It’s a playbook neo fascist move.
    
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IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
Where was the apology?

There was none.

He knew what he did.

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Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
Musk is playing the provocateur. He knows exactly who is offending. He knows how he will deny it and planted seeds of doubt to make his case. It’s a show of might. Elon gets off on the fact that he knows what his extreme wealth allows him to get away with but is offended at the same time that anyone might question his absolute power. In classic fascist fashion he will now insist himself, a extremely powerful and wealthy person immune to any law of any nation, is the victim here.

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theywilleatthestars@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
I mean, considering the fact that it’s been days and he hasn’t recanted and that he has a history of supporting far right parties like the AfD, no

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gmtom@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
Oh yeah, there’s definitely a possibility. It’s just that possibility is very very small.

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