Submitted 5 weeks ago by misterdoctor@lemmy.world to [deleted]
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This article from 2024 gives a pretty good rundown as to why using this reasoning to ban Tiktok will set a very bad precedent:
npr.org/…/tiktok-ban-first-amendment-lawsuit-free…
If the govt cared about your data privacy, they would create data collection regulations that they could then use to ban tiktok if/when they violate them.
They did. They banned sending US Citizen data to adversarial nations including China, Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Russia, and/or Venezuela. It was all packaged into one vote and now that’s the law.
Lawmakers and the White House have justified the crackdown on TikTok by claiming the app’s link to Beijing makes it a national security threat. But supporters of a ban have not offered direct evidence of the Chinese government ever attempting to obtain data from the company, nor any proof that authorities there have ever influenced content on the platform used by 170 million Americans.
They banned sending US Citizen data to adversarial nations
create data collection regulations
Americans simply cannot grasp the difference between Not Collecting Data To Begin With and China Bad
We should really ban Xitter as well as the operator is most likely a Russian bot
It was infested by Russian bots even before it was bought by a Russian bot
Meh USA president about to be Russian bot too
You know Americans can be dogshit without being foreign right?
Nope. If it’s bad, it’s because of outside agitation and enemy propaganda.
America is exceptional, it can’t do anything wrong except stop being American
Elon got a ton of money from the Saudis to buy Xitter. Wouldn’t surprise me to learn they were pushing the authoritarian centric content.
Not meaning this in defense of Tiktok, but…
If Tiktok doesn’t push this kind of social divisiveness in their own country, it’s because they regulated it in their home country. They’re simply exploiting the fact that we have zero regulations in place, so they’re allowed to promote socially destructive content. Why wouldn’t they? It’s not like what they’re doing is materially different than what Xitter, Meta/Facebook, Reddit, and so on do. Honestly, it’s already happening at Bluesky because we have no rules and rely almost exclusively on site moderators enforcing social decorum rules.
The US government just doesn’t like it when it’s not their guys propagandizing and dividing the populace. They want to enjoy the fruits of that, not a foreign actor. The mask is truly off, they really do think their own poverty-striken citizens are the enemy. The government speaks out of both sides of its mouth about backdoors in encryption, with one part of the FBI saying you need to use encrypted services to safely communicate, and another part saying we need backdoors in encryption even though Salt Typhoon literally saw hackers exploit US telecom backdoors that which the hackers still persist in exploiting.
Rooting against TikTok for breaching privacy is fine and all but if we wanna talk about social media that needs to be banned then let’s talk about Meta and Google. It’s painfully obvious that the only reason TikTok came under fire is that it was a threat to American social media companies and they couldn’t compete so instead they regulate.
I really don’t care about what TT does with my data, and I’ve been called a “privacy shizo” by people at work. I’ll mail every bit of my data to Xi Jinping personally before I ever install any apps made by Meta.
In other words, broad regulation on the industry instead of cherry picking TikTok for China reasons.
What’s a shizo?
Schizo*
Short for schizophrenic
We should build a Great Firewall and make China pay for it. – Mitt Romney, probably
The New Republic, Mitt Romney Reveals Twisted Reason Why Congress Moved to Ban TikTok
Some wonder why there was such overwhelming support for us to shut down potentially TikTok or other entities of that nature. If you look at the postings on TikTok and the number of mentions of Palestinians relative to other social media sites, it’s overwhelmingly so among TikTok broadcasts. So I’d note that’s of real interest, and the President will get the chance to make action in that regard.
This exactly this. It was never about the Chinese spying on American citizens
I HATE Chinese spyware used to push Chinese propaganda. I only like AMERICAN spyware used to push AMERICAN propaganda!!! 🇺🇸🇺🇸🦅
It’s possible to dislike both. We are on Lenny after all.
The problem is aren’t both getting banned/regulated, making the reasoning behind the tiktok ban extremely suspect
Yes. I only want FOSS and federated spyware social media.
MURICA!!!
Got proof?
Exactly. Yeah, there’s a whole lot of things wrong with TikTok, but banning it is censorship veiled as ‘protecting the children’ and shit.
I’ll see if I can find the write up, but the app was reverse engineered and it did collect an alarming amount of personal data that an app wouldn’t normally be allowed to. Also their algorithm has been criticized for ways it serves political content
boredpanda.com/tik-tok-reverse-engineered-data-in…
This is what came up first and had comment from the person who reverse engineered it.
Random anonymous reddit user who didn’t compile his findings into a report pointing to the places in the app binary where these things happen. OK.
TikTok was one of the few places I could actually watch live journalism from Gaza documenting the genocide
Undermining your trust in the US media and political leadership. Ergo, Evil Chinese Propaganda.
Hmmm well if you think tiktok should be banned for spying then do you think american social media platforms should be banned for doing the same thing?
Yes. They should. That is not the argument you think it is.
I think that retort is just there to point out that other social media platforms definitely will not be banned at any point, calling to question the legitimacy of the claim that the ban is because of invasive spy practices. Hypocrisy is loud.
They will be if they send data to China, Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Russia, and/or Venezuela. Because that’s how the law which bans TikTok was written.
Fuck em all.
Yes, tiktok wad absolutely the worst, but it speaks very highly that the US doesn’t hold other companies to the same standard
They hold every social media company to the same equal stands. Facebook, twitter, google, bluesky, and tiktok are all equally forbidden from operating while chinese.
This is in no way targeted, like not even a little bit.
China, Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Russia, and Venezuela
They didn’t sell, though. Because they don’t operate for profit. They operate for gain as a hostile foreign military asset.
I’ll take “the conclusion doesn’t follow from the premises at all” for 500 Alex
…so it’s fine if an American company does it?
Let this be a lesson to you all: If you report a post for a reason as stupid as this, I might just let everyone know so they can laugh about it.
P.S. This is Lemmy Shitpost. You can misinform people all you like. Watch: Some camels are actually a type of iguana. But only the Bactrian camels. The rest are types of cacti. And if you drink their saliva, it will cure your gout.
lmfao holy shit, I am truly honored that my content was reported, they took it so much more seriously than I did and I’m the guy who made the post
This is exactly the energy I hope for in a shitposting mod. TYFYS
Just want to pitch in and clarify the misinformation topic, since this is something explicitly mentioned in the Lemmy.World TOS, section 8.
Specifically, the type of misinformation that is prohibited is that which is harmful to others. Here’s a direct quote that pretty much sums up the matter:
We DO reserve the right to remove any information posted which COULD cause imminent PHYSICAL harm to any living being
We also reserve the right to remove any sufficiently scientifically proven MALICIOUS information posted which a user may follow, which would result in either IMMINENT PHYSICAL harm to an INDIVIDUALS PROPERTY, the PROPERTY of OTHERS or OTHER LIVING BEINGS.
So that being said, you’re all free to talk all the shit you want. I’m only going to care if the shit you talk is actually harmful.
OPs shit is in no way demonstrably harmful to anyone. See they get to keep talking it.
Do I need to drink the saliva fresh from the camel’s mouth, or can I have it bottled and shipped to me?
Yes.
Love to watch the contortionism .world does to justify the yellow peril
It’s Januaru 20th, introducing Trump Tok!
You made my laugh for the first time today. But you might not be far off the mark. It seems pertinent to repeat the old Chinese curse - “May you live in interesting times”. Shit’s become far too interesting for my taste.
It will be all right little buddy.
Just like American social media companies
Well, with this logic, yeah, fuck TikTok (I mean it, what an awful site)… And twitter, and Facebook, and Instagram, and Tumblr (it’s still alive?) and all the social networks that don’t belong to the user homeland!
They’re all spyware and propaganda machines.
EXACTLY!
That just looks objectively worse imo
The fact that it’s hit #1 on the US Apple app store is wild to me.
Five eyes agents must be pulling their hair out.
It is genuinely one of the most enjoyable things I could imagine to watch the American empire fall in real time, as it’s imperial core citizens flounder and flip around in impotent rage.
That’s the thing about reality. It has a leftist bias and it doesn’t give a shit about liberals raging at their own inability to comprehend the contradictions of their existence.
The shitty American government doesn’t care that fucked up shit is happening to their citizens who it is their sacred duty to serve, they care that China’s doing it, and they want to be doing it instead.
They are blocking it world wide? I never heard any news of it being banned in my country.
it isn’t. but america = the world and everywhere else falls into the niche category of foreign.
Thanks for the clarification. But one other question, why is Lemmy so focused around the U.S., instead of thinking globally?
The phrase “get rekt Imao” mocks TikTok, adding a humorous and dismissive tone.
It’s weird seeing chat gpt analyses something you wrote on someone else’s device, even if it’s something as trivial as a meme like this
idgaf what the jeep tea has to say about anything ever, tbh.
You’re missing out. A lot of cool stuff you can do. I recently had it make a grocery list with prices and recipes that matched my budget and specific tastes for my family. When it was all said and done I was actually under budget by $50 and got a lot of stuff I wouldn’t normally get.
I like how it’s being banned after the election when the damage is already done.
Rekonok@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
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SoftTeeth@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Yeah but the Chinese one is bad because the American one said so.
FMT99@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I mean, it is actually bad.
Rinox@feddit.it 5 weeks ago
And the American one is bad because the Chinese one said so.
Shezzagrad@lemmy.ml 5 weeks ago
You forgot mossad
Turret3857@infosec.pub 5 weeks ago
not my phone 😋
Venator@lemmy.nz 5 weeks ago
Nokia 8210?