Submitted 4 days ago by spujb@lemmy.cafe to [deleted]
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there’s more than shown here and it’s more than just these users too 😭
if you find the thread don’t piss in the popcorn (brigade) but also please maybe don’t bring it back here i don’t want 400 notifications of entry level “is almond milk milk” vegan discourse
Transcribing the conversation here:
Recessa, ↑4 ↓1: That’s completely idiotic, milk exist because there’s demand for it.
commie, ↑1 ↓4: I think you understand that milk is produced as part of the mammalian reproductive cycle. can you describe the casual steps between demanding milk and it’s production?
friendlymessage, ↑3 ↓2: Do you think dairy cattle just randomly spawns on the planetary surface?
commie, ↑1 ↓3: do you think there’s a direct casual linke between drinking milk and more being produced?
friendlymessage, ↑3: Are you fucking with me?
commie, ↑2 ↓3: no. I’m trying to illustrate that markets are not governed by natural law; they are populated by irrational actors.
friendlymessage, ↑2 ↓1: Yeah, but they’re not as irrational as you are and producing milk costs money. If there’s no market, they will stop because they are not fuckin lunatics and they don’t have infinite resources
commie, ↑2 ↓2: milk was farmed before markets existed. there is no reason to believe that will ever stop.
friendlymessage, ↑3 ↓1: That… must be the dumbest discussion I’ve had in a while. Please read through your comments tomorrow when you’re sober
commie, ↑1 ↓1: I’ve been sober all day.
friendlymessage, ↑1: Okay, whatever you say
commie, ↑1 ↓2: everything I’ve said is true. you’re objecting to reality, and being pretty shitty about it to me.
friendlymessage, ↑2: No, you’re just making a no sensical argument at all. Milk was farmed from dairy cattle because it was consumed by humans. It’s simple supply and demand. There is no rational argument at all that if mankind stopped consuming milk, it would still be farmed. Why would any farmer go through the effort to upkeep cows and keep them impregnanted to make them produce milk if they cannot trade it or won’t consume it? Yes, humans have free will but they won’t produce stuff with very high effort just for fun. Except maybe very sick minds that just enjoy animal cruelty. And you won’t elaborate what your actual point is anyway.
Also, not that it matters, but you’re arguing that dairy farming existed before the market is simply wrong. There has been trade between human civilizations long before we started domesticating animals.
There’s a common misunderstanding among a lot of .ml folks that markets are a capitalist thing and if you just don’t call them that then they don’t exist.
Obviously nobody drank milk in the USSR shitlib
Everyone knows that history starts at the industrial revolution and no one had went “hey I’ll give you two goats if you give me some salt” before that.
… they’re not a .ml user
Also it’s just untrue lol? We know markets predate capitalism, I’d be surprised to find anyone disagreeing
Thank you for your service o>
In my defense: there already was a very deep comment chain before this and the whole thing was just infuriatingly stupid
Can you rephrase their argument? To me it’s nonsense
Appreciate it but your comment got auto corrected on two instances of “causal” to “casual” by commie.
Oh, I don’t use autocorrect, so that was probably my mistake. Fixed it now!
“I’ve been sober all day.” is my new comeback when someone insults my intelligence in an argument.
I like how the wording is may imply that being sober that particular day might be in contrast to other days.
I’ve so been all day
I had to ban someone because they were arguing about whether tumblr prose about physics and love was scientifically rigorous and after arguing for a chain of like 20 comments they reported the other person and started calling me names when I told them the entire argument was dumb. They then took it to the instances’ main / meta forum to publically complain about and got pretty universally torn apart by both the instance moderators and several fascinated rubberneckers. They picked a molehill and just absolutely fought to the death on it for some inscrutable reason.
I’ve mentioned it a couple times in various meta comments on the topic of moderation less because it particularly bothers me but mostly just because it is sort of living rent free in my head in the same way as when you see someone eating an entire lobster dinner complete with metal cutlery and a cloth napkin at the bus stop. Just… huh. That person is well and truly marching to the beat of their own drum but… huh.
Bringing this full circle, it reminds me of a time I saw an entire long Reddit chain nuked by a mod who was astounded that people indulged the “Europeans never ate beans before Columbus and if you call that thing that originally came from Eurasia a bean, you’re wrong” guy for so long.
Both of those people are morons. One for making the argument, the other for engaging in the argument.
Just went back to that thread. The discussion continued for 4 more hours after I stopped responding, and no, it did not go anywhere. That was definitely worth everyone’s time
some rhetorical hills were not meant to be treaded, much less died upon
Weird hill to die on, but at least you’re dead.
this is 1/100th of the insanity that happened on the reddit sub r/milk
I’m pretty sure there was a riot because the mods said almond milk was allowed or something like that
I love drinking almond milk right from the almond nipple
Reading that kinda hurts my brain
What’s the causal link between that comment being created and your brain hurting? Brains have hurt since before comment sections existed.
That’s why I have headaches every day
disagree, comment sections are the literal antichrist
I like milk
Okay Homelander
No you don’t; that’s not possible. You don’t actually know what you like. How could your brain evaluate its own desires? And if you think you do, you’re wrong.
Blizzard, is that you?
Mr. President there has been another cat food incident
a second low-tier vegan talking point has hit the servers
im so happy the comment section here isnt deranged anti-vegan
well, its nice to eat healthy, but you dont need to call people names.
Milk is the best part of the woman
That explains why mine was so unapetizing.
Vegan cat food
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.
Fantastic 🤌
We got a fresh copypasta before GTA VI
You: hates milke because it is unethical
Me: hates milk because it is fucking disgusting.
We are not the same
me fr: hates milk because IT CURDLES SO FAST WHAT THE HELL JUST LET ME DRINK IT I BOUGHT THIS YESTERDAY
Had this start happening and got a new fridge, didn’t happen anymore. Do your veggies also spoil quickly? If so, your fridge likely be bork.
I won’t be able to did it now but I found an excellent copy pasta on a milk related post about RFK Jr.
Damn, I didn’t make the screenshot.
Shit like this is the exact goddamn reason I left Reddit holy fuck.
Is almond milk milk tho?
Production do be existing cause of demand tho
Exhibit A: Cheese.
Almond milk is a waste of water and is priced out of poor families ability to buy them :(
It looks like there are a few ISPs, countries, and general blacklists that block them. Explains why my firewall and DNS filters are catching it. Oh well. I can look more into fixing it later if it really becomes an issue.
I would just like to bring up that most equestrians don’t farm their horses milk. Without demand it would probably be similar
I like cow milk with My coffee.
"Loncoleche the hace bien"
I milk oats
Was gonna make a blizzard joke here, but this person is so intellectual that they wouldn’t get the low-grade humor, or how milk production before markets only works if everyone works a single farm, and cannot work if the population is scaled up.
Found the carnist
Imagine answering a question with another question.
I’d ask if everyone here is just looking to be annoyed at the slightest thing but it shows, like, all around
I’m gonna need you to crop your memes my guy. This is a violation.
How do you actually see the image? I just get “glide failed to grab image”. I tried to open the link directly and get connection error too. Not the first time I have experienced this on posts,
Enkers@sh.itjust.works 4 days ago
Ah yeah, I’ve had some interactions with that anti-vegan user before, and let me tell ya, if you want to speedrun vegan bingo… ideal discussion partner right there.
jewbacca117@lemmy.world 4 days ago
The happy animals one is hilarious. I would have no problem with someone eating me after I died and I sure as shit am not happy
Enkers@sh.itjust.works 4 days ago
Ah yes. That one is the one where every interlocutor happens to only eat meat “from their uncles farm with 3 cows on 40 acres of pasture, where they’re hand-scrubbed by cherubs while eating figs.”
Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 4 days ago
I don’t care about my corpse after I’m dead, but I do somewhat disagree with getting killed.
nl4real@lemmy.world 4 days ago
The “Vegans are loud and annoying” crowd are more loud and annoying than actual vegans in my personal experience.
Moc@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Often when society had an extreme default position on a topic, its defenders sound batshit insane.
See:
JackbyDev@programming.dev 3 days ago
So true. I’m not vegan, but someone proudly yelling about how much meat they eat is so fucking cringe. Very “suck it, libs” mindset.
ikidd@lemmy.world 4 days ago
But probably won’t get called a murderer 20 seconds into the discussion though.
TheTetrapod@lemmy.world 1 day ago
politely raises hand While I think factory farming is abhorrent, I find the most compelling reasons to eat plant-based to be the environmental ones. Therefore, I think “I only eat a little bit of meat” is actually a huge positive step someone can take. If your primary concern regarding meat is the cruelty of taking the life of another animal, that’s completely valid, but compared to the others, that square just feels out of place.
BudgetBandit@sh.itjust.works 4 days ago
35 points for Ravenclaw for the provision of the vegan bingo.
davidagain@lemmy.world 3 days ago
It took me a whole 24 hours to realise that the person having a weird, inconsistent, fact-swerving argument with me (about my assertion that most male cattle are killed young for meat) was the original one from the screenshot!
Enkers@sh.itjust.works 3 days ago
My last time talking to them, they were arguing that the use of the word “exploitation” in the vegan society’s definition of veganism simply meant “use” because that’s a thesaurus entry for exploitation. When their argument breaks down they go full on “words are just invented”.
python@programming.dev 4 days ago
That link is a really cool resource, thanks!
commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 days ago
I’m not antivegan
TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Unequivocally, yes you are, and at that, you’re one of the most agonizingly stubborn and disinformed ones I’ve ever talked to.
grrgyle@slrpnk.net 4 days ago
TIL there’s a bingo TLD.
EfreetSK@lemmy.world 4 days ago
I’m not even sure if that bingo is supposed to be pro-vegan or anti-vegan …
Enkers@sh.itjust.works 4 days ago
When I was a young vegling, I spent some time doing “outreach” on r/DebateAVegan (air quotes because it often felt about as impactful as having a wank), and you’d see those bingo arguments being used ALL THE TIME.
I actually did occasionally get some fairly novel and thought provoking stuff, from time to time, but mostly it was explaining the basics of biology or econ to people like in OP’s example.
LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 days ago
Almonds are bad for bees? Huh