Wisconsin, US here. My county went 70% for Trump this time. That’s versus ~48$ in 2016. The problem isn’t democracy. The problem is the people. Pissed as hell for all the wrong reasons at all the wrong people. Unable to see reality, expecting that the person in charge could make it a utopia with the flick of a switch. The average American is delusional and irreparably stupid.
We constantly joke that it’s Idiocracy, but the truth is…
Snapz@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Plain and simple… She was a woman, and a black person - There will be months of tap dancing and “deep” analysis, but we’re just an ugly, atrophied, broken, racist and patriarchal nation, like deep down in our DNA. We were able to elect Obama, yes - he is half white, and a man. Again, it’s not satisfying, but it’s just the plain truth here.
Plenty of deliberate work has been done, mostly by republicans, to keep America stupid, poor and in untreated pain, yes… But we’re also just trash on the whole. We raise trash and we vote for trash. We just aren’t smarter than social algorithms, TV soap opera narratives, costumes and makeup. “The pretend business man is white, old, wears a tie and has a gold watch. He feels like how daddy felt when I was little, and when things are bad, daddy fixed them the way I remember it.”
Video game trolls, people who failed the cop application physical and triple DUI wine moms are America. No further explanation or analysis needed.
MarcomachtKuchen@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
This reads like straight out of disco elysium. Great choice of words
Snapz@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Thanks, I still need to play it. Maybe a good distraction for a bit to regroup and prepare for a rough road ahead.
Fredselfish@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I remember hearing many democrats that joked how they voted for the white side of Obama. It wasn’t funny and isn’t funny now. They are not only voting against a woman but one of color.
We are going let christian fascism take control of America because a large portion of our population is sexiest, and racist. Not to mention all those protest votes or fucker who sat on their couch rather than do the right thing.
Now we are all fucked.
LappingDog@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I voted for Harris walz, but I think a lot of this is the fault of Biden for trying to run for reelection and sticking it out until July. I live in the south and I think the lack of a primary reallly hurt the ticket because a sizable portion of the people I’ve talked to felt like she was appointed instead of being elected, which is a bad move when public trust in our institutions is already at an all time low.
Croquette@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
This is all excuses. The fact that Trump made it all the way as the primary candidate for the GOP means that Republicans were okay with what he said and what he did.
For a normal person, it shouldn’t even take a second to choose Harris. But this isn’t the case. Trump won the popular vote and the presidency despite all the crazy shit because a sizeable part of the citizens voted him in regardless of the reason.
And not only that, but Republicans won the senate and well on their way to win the house.
It is about to get real bad, and Americans have themselves to blame for that.
Krauerking@lemy.lol 2 weeks ago
Institutional democrats who thought they knew what they were doing and could ignore the base of the party is to blame. Biden being top of the list. Stubborn self assured who when finally pushed to change was only willing to do it on his terms. And made a decision for everyone, again.
One of the big stories is a Democratic party Mayor of a super Blue city being corrupt and organizing police to defend him and yet not a single member of the party has spoken out against it. Endorsed by Hakeem Jeffries.
Status quo is far more important than listening to their base right now and hopefully it changes instead of them once again thinking they need to head further right.
And for the love all things holy I hope the Democrats learn to stop “gaming” the election with specific counties in “blue walls” because they did advanced math that told them it was all they needed. Bare minimum should never have been the goal.
Snapz@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The people you talked to are bigoted cowards that wouldn’t have been swayed by any of that shit - She has a vagina and she’s black - That’s all it was ever going to be.
You’re hearing the thing they hope their neighbor would think of them after the fact, " I was this close, Bill… I just wanted more policy detail… More time… If only they didn’t make me vote for trump".
Your neighbor fucking sucks, Bill - this is the time you pause, take a breath, and fully internalize that to inform your future interactions.
Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
100%
Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
She was doing better than the old white guy she replaced though
Snapz@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
What does “doing better” mean to you in this day and age in that context? Polls are no longer a viable tool. They are captured, manipulated and heavily biased. They ask misleading questions and ask them of non-representative populations.
Very big difference between “doing better” in “the race” and casting your vote on election day. Again, gramma in Pennsylvania didn’t think Kamala was doing better, or really she didn’t care what she was doing, because there was just one “key issue” that gramma would never get onboard with for Kamala… Gramma didn’t talk about that issue during “the race”, but she was thinking about it when she pulled the lever.
kreskin@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
was she? She couldnt identify a single thing she’d do differently than Biden.
Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Obama was a unique situation in that he was both an incredibly charismatic JFK-style figure and ran after the Republicans had managed to both start a very unpopular war and destroy the world economy.
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Barack Obama also never released a campaign ad that said “Hey white dudes, we only think some of you suck.”
GeneralInterest@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I don’t think it’s just the fact that she’s a black/Asian woman.
I saw this on BBC News which is probably correct:
Katana314@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
“Imagined” is perhaps the right word considering he wanted to raise taxes for low income people, and lower taxes for rich people.
IzzyJ@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Frankly, that just shows hollywood is overhated and voters are stupid
phdepressed@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
While this is a large part of it, a significant thing I think is that you get a lot more enthusiasm voting for something than against something. If she was campaigning for things I didn’t hear it above the constant “orange shit is an orange shit”.
A number of terrorist bomb threats to predominantly democratic polling locations in swing states and other fuckery may have also played a role.
IzzyJ@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Maybe care about things. Voting against him should’ve been enough to elect a ham sandwhich
OpenStars@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
I get more the sense that people don't care about her so much - or him either for that matter - so much as how things in general just "feel wrong". I'm no expert but the news media having been bought out seems a likely culprit. Jon Stewart tried to warn us but we would not listen. He did his part, but if people don't value things, they tend to fall - or in this case be taken - apart.
wlodi@szmer.info 2 weeks ago
Totally agree. After all the progress the US is still not ready to accept anyone else than white men at the top.
PlainSimpleGarak@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
You people are about to overdose on copium. This is a lazy view. “she lost because of race and sex”. You need to really ask people why she couldn’t secure their vote.
quink@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Should have stuck with the British Monarchy, powerless as it comes. A woman as head of state for 70 years and even better, no elections for any president during any of time.
4grams@awful.systems 2 weeks ago
Bingo. The party of stupid, obstinant assholes was elected by the stupid, obstinant asshole electorate.
Crampon@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Dems had the house for 12 years the past 16. Nothing really changed.
People have claimed Harris wasn’t capable of leading. They got their undeserved confirmation when she turned out to be a no show for 14 hours yesterday.
You construct a Strawman. If the Dems pulled a capable and charismatic woman out of the top hat she would be able to win.
Snapz@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
“People have been saying…” - oh fuck you, dude.
First sentence is just beyond stupid. Ignores so many nuanced changes, recovery of the economy from COVID not the least of it and just oblivious to the overall balance of power along the way with an unreasonable, obstructionist gop opposing progress at every turn, even to spite themselves on things like the border bill and the infrastructure bill more recently.
“Enough” is never done, but that’s a problem with overall politics, mixed with subjective perception. But your ignorant oversimplification here just has no place in a conversation among adults. Maybe go play with the dirt outside or go point at the pictures in that puffy book you love about firetrucks while you shit yourself?
Your statement is just hollow. It’s defiantly ignorant, smug, selfish, cowardly and just overall, you seem to (without further qualification) fucking suck. To have failed you this poorly, can also confidently assume that your family is just generations of disappointment in front of and behind you. You’re useless lumps, impotently screaming at the sun… At least that’s what “People have been saying…”
OpenPassageways@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
People handed the election on a silver platter to a guy who refused to concede in 2020, and shills are on here saying that Harris is incapable of leading because she took a while to concede?
And I bet those same people complain that Gore concerned too soon in 2000.
What’s this about the Dems having control of the house? Another person that needs a civics lesson? It’s like the cultists saying that “Kamala had 4 years to fix these problems” because they don’t know how our government works.
The Dems have had control of the government for exactly 2 years since 1980. I don’t understand how anyone can blame the Dems for the state our country is in.
The silver lining in all this is that now that Republicans have complete control, it will be impossible for shills and cultists to blame the Dems.
aubertlone@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Slowly but surely I’m coming to terms with our modern reality