Submitted 3 months ago by Early_To_Risa@sh.itjust.works to greentext@sh.itjust.works
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The really funny thing about this is OP is egregiously wrong.
Soy doesn’t contain estrogen, it contains phytoestrogen, which not only doesn’t produce any estrogen-like side-effect, but actively prevents our bodies from taking and producing estrogenic hormones .
This leeching effect is not true. It’s a myth spread by alt-health providers.
At this point I just don’t believe anything weird anyone has to say about food humanity has eaten for thousands of years unless they can back it up with real studies from real medical journals.
I haven’t totally believed this, but I also think its potentially useful to spread anyway. Sure, misinformation is bad, but so is climate change. Which one is worse?
But Ichiban would never!
Cow milk does not leech calcium from your bones.
also it should be leach
Yep, my bad, I’ve corrected it.
Doesnt cowmilk also actually have estrogen in it?
That was my implication regarding hormones.
Also cheese, eggs, meat, and even our environment due to waste products (feces, urine) generated by animal farms.
Out of all the things you can make out of soy, why milk? Tofu exists and it’s grand-master based food. I’ll smash several plates of mapo tofu without hesitation. Soy sauce, edamame, all ridiculously good shit.
I disagreed with you until last night about tofu. But gods damn that orange tofu I had last night was just excellent. Good tofu is apparently something that exists and was just always out of reach
tempeh is also insanely good, and remarkably nutritious
Personally, I prefer soy milk to cow or oat milk because it has a better nutritional profile. It has less sugar and fat, and more protein, as well as having fiber. (Some oat milk brands do have fiber in them, but most of the ones I’ve found are very high in fat, sugar, and calories.)
I’ve got a new dish to try with mapo tofu. Thank you for the indirect recommendation!
If soy did do this, red states would be trying to regulate it so trans people couldn’t buy it.
!Don’t tell them !<
Amazing, prior to today I didn’t know people could have this much information on soy and still end up objectively incorrect about its position relative to oat milk.
Go fuck yourself buddy. You and your non-oat-centrered world view need to check your privilege.
Soy is shit tier anyway, oat milk all the way.
Nah brah, coconut milk is the choice of kings.
It is a badge i would wear with honor, because soy is awesome and the myth is bullshit.
Nice tits
Thanks bro, all the workout is paying of [ o ][ o ]
Cow milk is full of estrogen and growth hormone.
afaik, it’s not really a myth. it does actually have plenty of phytoestrogens and it’s often recommended as a supplement for HRT. Probably not enough to have much of an effect on its own though
it does actually have plenty of phytoestrogens you think because it has “estrogens” in the name it turns you into a girl.
phyto- means plant. are you a plant?
recommended as a supplement for HRT. by who? facebook?
False, the phytoestrogens in beer are far more bioavailable, but also the animal estrogen in beef.
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19524224/
Its basically been proven as bullshit, physiologically if you are healthy its not true. There MAY be edge cases where if you are lacking the vitamins/minerals/essential fats necessary for hormone regulation it MAY in SOME people cause SOME irregularity but edge cases are just that.
Phytoestrogens and estrogens have some similarities in their chemical structure and ability to bind to estrogen receptors, but they have important differences in their effects on the human body:
Estrogens are hormones produced naturally in the body, primarily in the ovaries in women. They are essential for sexual and reproductive development and function[5].
Phytoestrogens are plant-derived compounds that have a similar chemical structure to estrogens and can bind to estrogen receptors, but they are not hormones and are not produced naturally in the human body[1][4].
Phytoestrogens typically have much weaker estrogenic effects compared to human estrogens like estradiol[1][3]. The effects of phytoestrogens depend on factors like the specific type, dose, and individual differences in metabolism and estrogen levels[2].
Consuming phytoestrogens from foods like soy, flaxseeds, fruits and vegetables is unlikely to have a significant impact on estrogen levels or health, as the amounts are very low compared to what the body naturally produces[4]. Concentrated phytoestrogen supplements may have more noticeable effects.
In some cases, phytoestrogens may actually have anti-estrogenic effects by blocking estrogen receptors or reducing the body’s own estrogen production[1][3]. This is thought to be due to their structural similarity to estrogens.
Some potential benefits of phytoestrogens that have been studied include:
However, the evidence is mixed, with many studies finding no significant effects[1][2]. Potential risks include:
Citations: [1] herkare.com/…/estrogen-replacement-therapy-vs-phy… [2] www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7468963/ [3] jamanetwork.com/journals/…/648139 [4] www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/320630 [5] advancedhormonesolutions.com/do-you-know-the-diff… [6] www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3074428/ [7] www.sciencedirect.com/…/S0149763421005558 [8] www.sciencedirect.com/topics/…/phytoestrogen
Meanwhile cow milk is full of estrogen because it helps the cows to lactate.
It’s really strange that all of the replies to your comment are essentially agreeing with you but you got downvoted into the dirt for stating facts.
See, what his coworkers did was good bullying. Anon learned something and also wasn’t fired for whatever skeevy pseudosexual thing he was implying about his coworker, probably over politics. Winning hearts and minds, people.
It’s phytoestrogen, dummy Anon.
Fragile bros terrified of phytoestrogen in soy will be chugging dairy milk without a single concern.
All my dairy milk comes from bulls.
If you let your boss bully you into explaining what a soyboy is, you are in fact a soyboy
he brought it upon himself when he called a coworker soyboy first
How the fuck does this get posted all the time without anyone ever picking up on the fact that this workplace dynamic is obviously made up and anon is literally a 4chan kid who just changed the actors in his story from '‘teacher’ and “classmate” to ‘boss’ and ‘coworker’ so he wouldn’t get banned on an 18+ imageboard.
FOUND THE SOYBOY
Not only that, but mammal milk is literally hormone soup. Including estrogen. And soy doesn’t actually contain the same type of estrogen. They contain isoflavones including plant estrogen (phytoestrogen). Similar but different chemical, with different bioavailability in mammals.
Omg do they really believe that?
There are people who do.
As sure as people really believe greentexts happened and aren’t just fun little stories.
On that day, anon found out he really is a soyboy soyjack. Did he learn anything else? Nobody cares, only that soyboy won’t manage to pull that on anyone at work.
Internet soyboy meets world.
The men are not impressed by what he tells them of what he has learned.
What kind of fuckin idiot thinks that soybeans have synthetic female hormones of a caliber that would feminize you or whatever.
The same kind of idiot that conveniently ignores all the hormones in meat and dairy used to maximize profit
I know right. If it did, you can be sure trans women would know about it.
There’s so many of them. And they’re so goddamn dumb.
Yeah. Soy sauce is awesome and I don’t see anyone complaining about them.
Same idiots who think vaccines contain microchips and DNA altering substances.
The soy thing has to be one of the funniest delusions I’ve ever seen.
People convincing themselves that all liberals are vegans, all vegans eat a diet primarily of soy, and that soy has compounds similar to estrogen, so therefore all liberal men are feminized by their diets and are therefore weak (because being a woman is bad).
The number of weird things you have to believe out of insecurity to get to that conclusion are quite embarrassing. It’s quite a self-report.
You can also reverse the argument into mockery, accusing conservative women of being too masculine because they don’t eat enough soy, then bragging about how feminine soy-loving liberal women are.
The hilarious part is that the phytoestrogen in soy and other plants isn’t compatible with our biology. High qualities studies hava failed to find an effect.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7468963/
Meanwhile the actual mammalian estrogen that is in animal products does get absorbed and effect our hormones.
It’s also why the most deeply delusional MAGAs have to convince themselves that Tim Walz is gay - because a gun toting bird-hunting liberal does not compute for them.
Finding a reason to completely disregard not just the ideas but even the humanity of huge swaths of other people is conservatism 101. Just give in to your most base tribal tendencies, and “know” that all those good-sounding ideas are in fact wrong and evil because they’re coming from the wrong/lesser people.
When you can’t argue against ideas, argue against the people saying them. See if ad-hominem attacks will work on people. (narrator: they did)
Holy shit, textbook “I’m rubber and you’re glue” defense in action.
How appropriate. You light like a cow.
yes I’m boy a nonbinary entity and I was raised on tofu so actualmente la verdad es que no soy boy
I moved to a rural area a few years back and there’s a lot of farms here. Thus, many of the people I’ve met are farmers or have worked on farms. After a year or so of asking people what they raise/grow on their farms it finally happened and I met someone who said they grew soybeans. I asked him if he was a soyboy and he was really not amused.
I’m pretty sure he saw it coming too, when he said soybeans I had to have a huge shit eating grin on my face. I was waiting for that day
Nut milk comes from male cows.
I’d like to use this moment in spotlight to highlight one of the greatest things on Youtube, i.e. hbomberguy’s [www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8dfiDeJeDU](SOY BOYS: A MEASURED RESPONSE)
“feminism is bullying me”
lol what a self-own. Incels and antifeminists are stupid af. Give the patriarchy enough rope to hang itself
Always thought soyboy is a way to condecendingly refer to a JavaScript developer. Because you know, beans.
Hard to stay on top of all the internet lingo.
Forcesoy’d
Soy milk sucks, it’s probably the worst milk…
Banana milk is the best, followed by: macadamia, coconut, cashew, oat, rice, almond, and then soy in last place.
Reminds me of the youtuber Jake Tran. Ever since he made that in video about soy milk turning people into soyboys I unsubbed. I feel like he pumped out much better content maybe in his earlier days, but lately, I think it’s conservative bs.
I never know what to make of these posts like this because it seems like Anon is okay with laughing at themselves
Sounds about right
You show up the next opportunity and give everyone a soymilk while pressuring them awkwardly to drink it in front of you, and threaten to make it a regular thing in a passive aggressive way; all while acting totally cool about it, as if you like it.
Haha soy is beans, therefore it’s mega good for you. Beans are life
idiomaddict@lemmy.world 3 months ago
It’s completely wild that people drink cow hormone juice and then think that soy is affecting their hormones.
hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 3 months ago
Not people, conservatives
MehBlah@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Not conservatives, regressives.
starman@programming.dev 3 months ago
So conservatives are not people, or I misinterpreted your comment?
cheddar@programming.dev 3 months ago
Yeah.
Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 3 months ago
It’s not that wild lol
blanketswithsmallpox@lemmy.world 3 months ago
It’s completely wild that… Husbandry exists? That we eat other animals? That we rot liquid food to drink it? That we use bacteria to curdle milk?
Hot bean juice!
ThunderWhiskers@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I’m on your level. People get really weird about milk despite the fact that the majority of people consume animal flesh on a daily basis. Milk is way low on the weird food scale.
x00z@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Your comparison is stupid.
@idiomaddict talks about cow milk and soy milk, yet you go on a rant about how “cOw MiLk iS nOrMaL?!!”.
Vivendi@lemmy.zip 3 months ago
how the FUCK do you think babies grow
idiomaddict@lemmy.world 3 months ago
By drinking human hormone juice and getting their hormones messed with. It’s good and helpful for babies.
Overshoot2648@lemm.ee 3 months ago
The problem is that they give the cows growth hormone and high amounts of estrogen to encourage lactation and it’s in the milk. I’m lactose intolerant like half of adults anyway so I do almond milk and olive oil butter personally.