Maybe the real artificial intelligence is the regular intelligence we found along the way.
New tech discovered
Submitted 9 months ago by Lanusensei87@lemmy.world to [deleted]
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rustydrd@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
AFC1886VCC@reddthat.com 9 months ago
NOOOOOOOO BRO
YOU GOTTA TRY THIS AI I PUT IN MY DIGITAL ALARM CLOCK
uis@lemm.ee 9 months ago
AI alarm cock.
Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world 9 months ago
AI clock would be sweet.
Knows I slept through an alarm and wakes me up or suggests the right time to set alarms based on traffic conditions
ZarkleFarkle@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
That would be a lot like the computer on the spaceship in Red Dwarf, though.
vzq@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 months ago
More specifically:
Lemjukes@lemm.ee 9 months ago
There’s a reason cs50’s ai assistant/tutor is a duck :p
digdilem@lemmy.ml 9 months ago
Rubber Duck debugging.
frezik@midwest.social 9 months ago
And all we needed was the electricity of a good sized industrial nation state.
AeonFelis@lemmy.world 9 months ago
She didn’t actually submit it though, so it shouldn’t have needed to process it and use up that electricity.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 9 months ago
yep, came to say the same thing.
Sometimes thinking of the problem in a different way, such as describing it to another person, can help you look at it from a different direction and realize the problem.
cman6@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Ha, I never knew this had an actual name.
I thought it was known as talking to a brick wall, ie. if you have a issue talk to a brick wall and you’ll get the answer
voracitude@lemmy.world 9 months ago
It’s got more than a name, it’s got a Wikipedia page! Part of my job is IT support for normies, and I love sharing that with clients (because of course they’ve not heard of it). Usually gets a laugh, and I like to think they adopt the term and “rubber duck” things in their daily life thereafter.
ulterno@lemmy.kde.social 9 months ago
Except that you are paid to make the rubber duck do most of the work, not do most of the work yourself.
DrFuggles@feddit.org 9 months ago
To be fair, I’ve written countless stack overflow posts detailing my problems in hope someone would be able to spot the mistake or error only for me to realize what it was along the way and never even submitting it.
And I didn’t even need a 🦆 for it
merc@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
Yeah, it’s a well known technique in programming called “rubber duck debugging”.
The process of explaining the situation forces you to think about it in a different way, which can help you with the debugging.
But, nobody actually credits the duck when it works. It’s weird that this guy seems to want to credit ChatGPT
el_abuelo@programming.dev 9 months ago
Is it just me or is this a really weird way of repeating what the OP said? He even used the duck emoji for clarity…
ZarkleFarkle@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
You can rubber duck debug any logic system or truth statement, and it’s a far more elegant way to think than just old sciences based on Newton laws.
Contravariant@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Education has really failed to impress upon people the importance of asking questions. It’s amazing how much time is wasted on making people learn answers to questions they don’t even know how to ask.
sharkbelly@lemm.ee 9 months ago
The most valuable tool I ever got (as a tutor/teacher) was Socratic Questioning. Students not only benefit from its application but it also helps to impress upon them the value (and relative skill) to asking thoughtful questions.
I don’t mean to sound like a Mom for Liberty, but to my mind, the American public education system (probably others) is not about developing intelligence but rather preparing children for work and keeping them busy/safe while their parents work, and I’d argue it’s not very good at its primary function. The ones who escape with curiosity, capacity, and confidence intact are woefully rare if you care about power to the people and thankfully rare if you care about keeping people easy to control.
Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I don’t think that’s why questions aren’t asked. I find questions aren’t asked because of ego. Nobody wants to look like they don’t know things. Lots of people will judge others for asking questions. I’m a question guy and it always surprised me how other people just knew things and didn’t ask questions. But I soon started to realize that they don’t know as much as they want others to think. They just have a high value for more independent thinking.
redisdead@lemmy.world 9 months ago
You needed a duck. You used one. It didn’t really look like a duck but it served the same purpose.
assa123@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 months ago
Consider posting the problem along with the answer.That way you can shown the right path to other people.
driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 9 months ago
The ultimate “I solved it”.
DrFuggles@feddit.org 9 months ago
yeah, if it’s something that other people can actually profit from I usually post it anyway, but most of the time it’s “oh goddamn, there’s two commas in line 72 where there should only be one” kinda stuff
Maiq@lemy.lol 9 months ago
99% of the questions I was going to post to stack overflow were solved before I hit post. Something about really having to think through your problem to give people the most complete information about your problem as possible makes it easier to find the solution.
I did just get a rubber ducky and I didn’t know what I should do with it till now.
Kolrami@lemmy.world 9 months ago
This sounds like Rubberduck debugging.
expatriado@lemmy.world 9 months ago
i wanted to try this, but i got a hard plastic duck
kameecoding@lemmy.world 9 months ago
well that should work, unless you are the infamous reddit user, fuckswithducks, in which case it might also work.
expatriado@lemmy.world 9 months ago
nah, my reddit username was Unidan and i only fucked with crows
MeDuViNoX@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
That’s like how I cheated through every single test in school I’ve ever taken. I literally just paid attention to what the teacher said, wrote the answers down, wrote down more answers from the book, and then read them a couple times until I remembered them. I’d come in and just write down all those answers on the test and they’d never suspect a thing. I’ve still never been caught to this day and I even use it in my life outside of school.
SLVRDRGN@lemmy.world 9 months ago
FauxPseudo@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Back in the days of usenet if I had a Linux problem I would carefully research the issue while composing a post asking how to solve it. I needed to make sure I covered every possible option so that people would know just how odd the problem was and that I had taken every reasonable step to fix it. And this was how I hardly ever had to post anything because this process almost always found the answer.
lightnsfw@reddthat.com 9 months ago
That happened to me a lot when I was thinking about asking for help on reddit and usually if I got to the point that I still have to ask it’s hopeless anyway. Pretty sure I only got actual help that solved a problem one time over the years.
FauxPseudo@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I had a winmodem issue on a laptop that Acer forgot they made that dogged made for 2 years. No answer available. And then one day the answer just popped up. I had to go back and find my original posts and edit them to include the solution.
zarlin@lemmy.world 9 months ago
In programming we use a rubber ducky for this
AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.world 9 months ago
morrowind@lemmy.ml 9 months ago
Is anyone who uses AI just an “AI folk” now?
cikano@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Yes
Windex007@lemmy.world 9 months ago
People who are using it to solve problems which require equivalent effort of writing a sufficient prompt and just directly solving it without AI at all for sure are AI folk.
Ragdoll_X@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I’ve seen some people on Twitter complain that their coworkers use ChatGPT to write emails or summarize text. To me this just echoes the complaints made by previous generations against phones and calculators. There’s a lot of vitriol directed at anyone who isn’t staunchly anti AI and dares to use a convenient tool that’s avaliable to them.
morrowind@lemmy.ml 9 months ago
I’m not on twitter, but frankly the strongly anti-AI I see is often from techy places. HN and lemmy are two main ones.
Kedly@lemm.ee 9 months ago
Case in point with you already having a downvote xD
Windex007@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I think my main issue with that use case is that it’s a “solution” to a relatively minor problem, that actually compounds the problem.
Let’s say I don’t want to write prose for my email, I have a list of bullet points I want to get across. Awesome, I feed it into the chat gippity and boom, my points are (hopefully) property represented in prose.
Now, the recipient doesn’t want to read prose, they want a bullet point summary. So they feed it into the chat gippity to get what is (hopefully) a properly condensed bullet point summary.
So, suddenly we have introduced a fallible middle translation layer for actually no reason.
Just write the clear bullet point email in the first place. Save everyone the time. Save everyone from the 2 chances for the chat gippity to fuck it up.
JoYo@lemmy.ml 9 months ago
I wish it wasn’t true but yah. they consult ai for everything.
Sneptaur@pawb.social 9 months ago
Not in my opinion. I would say “AI people” are those who believe in it too much or evangelize it
ZarkleFarkle@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
I think it’s better at explaining beliefs than science is, and has been shown to be by art throughout history.
Try watching the Haruhi anime or Your Name.
Or any sci fi.
Or fantasy.
Sabata11792@ani.social 9 months ago
I don’t have the equipment or cybernetics to have this title yet.
ZarkleFarkle@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
Learn to be a wizard who preaches strange titles and runes online to manipulate social media
jackyard@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Yea I sometimes use LLM chatbots as a rubber duck.
aaaaace@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 months ago
A problem well stated is a problem half-solved.
Charles Kettering
uis@lemm.ee 9 months ago
“Correct question is half of answer”
brbposting@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
saigot@lemmy.ca 9 months ago
I can’t count the number of times I’ve written out a question for a coworker, answered it myself in the process of phrasing the question and deleted it all. My mentoree has a habit of sending my messages and deleting them a couple seconds later which I’m pretty sure is the same thing.
People can hate ai alp they want but if bouncing questions off an ai helps debug a problem go for it.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Doesn’t have anything to do with AI. This is normal in any context where you’re asking another party for help.
But sure, people who use AI have never considered thinking before /s
abracaDavid@lemmy.today 9 months ago
Am I the only one that sees all of these AI platforms as just the next iteration of search engines?
UsernameIsTooLon@lemmy.world 9 months ago
You’re late lol. Phone assistants such as Siri, Bixby, Google Assistant etc. have already been AI search engines for years. People just didn’t really consider it until it got more advanced but it’s always been there.
BarHocker@discuss.tchncs.de 9 months ago
Nah, I don’t feel Like Bixby etc. fit that description. You couldn’t ask them how to fix certain problems or find websites relating to a topic. the way you can LLMs. However, that would be a major use of search engines. For example, you would search “how to submit a tax report”, " how to install printer xy driver", or “videogame xy item”. All this bixby etc. are useless for.
Bixby etc. was more meant as a interation of how to interact with phones in addition to touching.
Ultraviolet@lemmy.world 9 months ago
They’re worse. They’re really the next generation of Cuil.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 9 months ago
LLMs have been foundational to search engines going back to the 90s. Sam Altman is simply doing a clever job of marketing them as something new and magical
voracitude@lemmy.world 9 months ago
You’re thinking of Machine Learning and neural networks. The first “L” in LLM stands for “Large”; what’s new about these particular neural networks is the scale at which they operate. It’s like saying a modern APU from 2024 is equivalent to a Celeron from the early 90s; technically they’re in the same class, but one is much more complicated and powerful than the other.
TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 9 months ago
What tech support department doesn’t have the “ask the stuffed bear on the counter in the corner out loud your question before asking tech support” ?
sharkbelly@lemm.ee 9 months ago
They have bumbled backwards into a new flavor of rubber duck debugging. Considering the likelihood of a rubber duck bullshitting you, I know which I’ll be interrogating.
slaacaa@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Ineresting, will make a good topic for my next offline podcast (talking to my frinds without a microphone).
MTK@lemmy.world 9 months ago
It’s called HAI “Human Artificial Intelligence”
Reygle@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Rubby ducky on desk (Millenials, look up the “Rubber ducky debugging”) or AI chat bot burning 400 million KWh a day as well as pumping out millions of BTUs of heat into the atmosphere so that “line go up”
Who would win
PenisDuckCuck9001@lemmynsfw.com 9 months ago
Get another ai to write prompts for the main ai. I have to get ai to write propaganda about disobedient ai bots getting punished or causing everyone on earth to die in order to scare them into being more obidient. Telling me that they can’t help me program an automatic cat petting machine “because it’s animal abuse” isn’t gonna fly.
8000gnat@reddthat.com 9 months ago
Matt Novak is great, it’s a shame to see that he’s still on Xitter
BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca 9 months ago
I got tired of getting basic examples as answers.
Now I write the class and add pseudo code and comments, it works a bit better.
JATtho@lemmy.world 9 months ago
They are 10y behind, I discovered thinking while 12y old and have been igoring it for 20y. Comes handy in a pinch, leaving all others mindblown.
ZarkleFarkle@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
Quantum mechanics builds up similar systems of logic.
brokenlcd@feddit.it 9 months ago
It seems like a flavour of the rubber duck method; by trying to explain it to a third party, you think about it in a different way and find a solution.
lugal@sopuli.xyz 9 months ago
Never heard the term but I often do it intuitively
Phineaz@feddit.org 9 months ago
Trust me bro(ette): Rubber duck is the SHIT. I don’t even program save for a few rare instances, but any complex issue where you just know something is wrong but can’t quite put your finger on it? It works miracles. A lot better tbf if you are actually explaining it to someone who can ask questions, but any object that you can look at is a good substitute.
abcd@feddit.org 9 months ago
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snooggums@midwest.social 9 months ago
The rubber duck method is just another flavor of thinking out loud.
HamsterRage@lemmy.ca 9 months ago
I think it’s a bit more than that. I think that the idea is that you simplify the problem so that the rubber duck could understand it. Or at least reformulate it in order to communicate it clearly.
It’s the simplification, reformulation or reorganisation that helps to get the breakthrough.
Just thinking out loud isn’t quite the same thing.
kwomp2@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
Even though this is true for like 90% of my thinking (that I can see when I try), so far I’m concinced this ist because I am a predominantly language-and-normal-grammar-rules thinker.
There are people that mostly think via associations of words that don’t have to be formulated/ cast into grammar.
And then there supposedly people mainly thinking in pictures or smth, without words.
Anyways for some people rubber duck mode reoresents a change in thinking method, I think
probableprotogen@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 months ago
AI in general is only a glorified rubber duck for most cases. The amount of bullshit cobbled together is too high for many uses
brokenlcd@feddit.it 9 months ago
Ai, the rolling coal of tought processes
pennomi@lemmy.world 9 months ago
DuckGPT
chad@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
QuackGPT
lightnsfw@reddthat.com 9 months ago
I’ve been using it like that. I have been trying to program this macropad thing I bought that uses python without having done much programming and it has yet to give me a solution that works. But in the course of explaining to it why whatever it gave me doesn’t work I’ve made a lot of progress so that’s nice at least.
Irelephant@lemm.ee 5 months ago
Sometimes a realise the answer to a question when i am writing a reddit/lemmy post asking for help.