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  • MeaanBeaan@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    You’re assuming these people believe we even send things to space. I had a serious ass conversation recently with my father’s roommate. Typical conspiracy theorist ding dong. Full on flat earther and everything. I asked him how he thinks GPS works if the earth was flat. He admitted he didn’t know but then when I started to explain how it works by pinging satellites we put up in space he cut me off and said space isn’t real. Like legitimately thinks space isn’t real. He on a separate occasion also complained that we didn’t need to wear masks during covid because we apparently make our own viruses in our bodies and viruses don’t spread between people.

    These people don’t even understand how logic works. Let alone that people could be smarter than they are.

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    • fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Well, if you reject all knowledge you cannot obtain through direct observation, you can kinda start to understand how they ended up where they are.

      They’re intimidated by the scientific method.

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      • flerp@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Many of them are religious and believe plenty of things they didn’t directly observe. It’s more that they have been trained through religious thinking that if someone confidently claims something it must be more true than someone who honestly admits that “it is the best we can know right now and we will update our understanding as we obtain more evidence.” These people need the answer now and that answer can’t change because changing your opinion based on new evidence is seen as weakness and opinions should be handed down from on high and never change.

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    • Hasuris@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      There’s always been crazy and stupid people. And then we gave them the internet to connect and to have a voice. Now they feed of each other’s crazynies and believe they run the world.

      Only way to fight this is education. Give people the ability to see through crazy. You’re not born with common sense. It’s taught and learned.

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      • bufalo1973@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Not a solution but it is fun to put a flat-earther with a hollow-earther and say Earth is a ball. Then you grab some popcorn.

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    • pythonoob@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      We should just start jettisoning these people into space

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    • Socsa@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Tbh, it’s really your fault for choosing to interact with this person more than once.

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  • doingthestuff@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I just want affordable healthcare

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    • paholg@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Unfortunately, the answer to that doesn’t lie in science but in politics.

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      • BoxerDevil@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        But I took a course in college Called political Science. So what about that mister science man?

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    • Duamerthrax@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Ask the military industrial complex. Too much good applicable science and tech comes from space exploration.

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      • phoenixz@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Not really.

        The NASA budget has been slashed for decades on a row and is currently a tiny amount compared to what it was before. That they still manage to do what they do is half a miracle in on itself.

        It’s so bad that a 3 percent of the military budget given to NASA would double it’s budget instantly.

        With that in mind, I would put this on the military industrial complex

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    • Son_of_dad@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Socializing your health care might destroy you guys, since there’s so many fatties, smokers, guns and people who ignore doctors.

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      • flerp@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Except that it is a proven fact that public health care costs less per capita than private, so actually it sounds less expensive. The people lobbying to keep it private are the only ones who stand to lose and their brainwashed army of sycophants can’t understand anything beyond the points they’ve been trained to parrot.

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      • Dagrothus@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I blame the obesity epidemic on the weak ass FDA and nutrition labeling. A ‘serving’ is whatever the hell they feel like making it - I’ve seen 1/3 of a cookie, a single tick tack (rounded down to 0g sugar), and every other arbitrary amount so actually comparing products takes so much time that most dont bother. Combine this with the fact that 90% of restaurants dont even bother giving you any information at all so you have to cook or go to specific big chains to actually track calories.

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      • nBodyProblem@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Smokers?! Have you ever been to France? It’s like a trip back in time to 80s America, with a smoker on every street corner and an ash tray on every cafe patio table.

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  • OpenStars@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    But surely you must understand how someone, having failed all of their classes and then dropped out of school altogether, understands complex matters better than the people who are brilliant, have international acclaim, and devoted like 5 decades of their lives to study that same thing?

    Or you know, at least watched this 11-minute video?

    And if you do, can you explain it to me? :-P So far all I have is “Might Makes Right”, but somehow that seems to be lacking something…

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    • wise_pancake@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      They failed because they’re obviously smarter than science and not the other way around.

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      • OpenStars@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Also, are we not going to discuss the conspiracy theory that many of the people espousing this ideology were mysteriously killed!? And their families too! In fact, anyone even so much as near them had a chance to be affected, possibly some still here but with permanent brain damage!

        Sounds pretty sus if you ask me…

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    • PriorityMotif@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
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      • OpenStars@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Well, I was going to argue against that, but then I remembered that he is rich - which I guess is the same thing as smart? - so… okay! :-P

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    • asg101@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      The oligarchs have not decided that Mars can be made into a culture war issue… yet.

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      • maynarkh@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        They are on their way with how Musk and the other Silicon Valley idiots are going

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    • fossilesque@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      🤓

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  • slingstone@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    People act like their mamas never told 'em to cover their damned mouths when they cough or sneeze. It’s the same damned thing, only masks work much better at keeping your filthy germs from infecting other people.

    Common sense ain’t common, they say, and this anti-mask nonsense is just proof that it’s true.

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    • NegativeInf@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      But don’t you know? Having symptoms like “drier mouth,” “fogged glasses,” and “smelling your own breath” are much more dangerous than a virus that killed a million Americans at least.

      What it really tells me it that the mouth breathers are crazier than we gave them credit for.

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    • kent_eh@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      People act like their mamas never told 'em to cover their damned mouths when they cough or sneeze

      Nor to wash their hands before eating (or even after going to the toilet.)

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      • slingstone@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I tried explaining universal precautions to a pastor of a church I was attending, and pointed out that there is a Christian commandment to love one’s neighbor that overrides one’s personal desires. He could not dispute my points, but he also didn’t do anything to implement safety procedures.

        Guess who left the church after the unsurprising COVID outbreak?

        I realize a lot of people here aren’t believers, but my point is that even within the context of religion or common wisdom, masks make sense.

        There’s been a lot of talk lately about how decades of lead in gasoline, pipes, and in other places likely damaged generations of people’s ability to reason. I’m sincerely beginning to think this is a bigger problem than we’ll ever truly know.

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      • Asidonhopo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Or lick their hands when handling money

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      • Anticorp@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        You learn that most people are disgusting the first time you use a crowded public bathroom.

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  • LoamImprovement@beehaw.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I mean a lot of them also don’t believe we landed unmanned units on mars, or humans on the moon, for that matter, so…

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    • WarmSoda@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It’s funny, I’ve heard plenty of morons talk about flat earth, but I’ve never seen anyone say anything about Mars.

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      • Jolteon@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Mars is obviously a star, since it is in the sky and glows.

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      • hydroptic@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Some of those dumb fucks think that it’s just Earth that’s flat, but other planets are round – probably because it’s so bleeding obvious they are when you look at them through a telescope. Somehow that logic doesn’t apply to the Earth though

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  • fckreddit@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I am reasonably sure that a fair many conservatives feel that they are entitled to their biases and fallacies and the world must bend to these biases.

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    • mods_are_assholes@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It’s deeper than that, they literally believe they can change objective reality by believing hard enough.

      That’s why they excuse all of their bad acts, if they ignore it, it doesn’t exist to them.

      Negative object permanence.

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      • fckreddit@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I think you are right. I believe it is somehow related their obsessive belief in their religion.

        I am not saying that all religious people are bad. But, somehow, these people excuse their bad behaviour by quoting scriptures. There has to a correlation too.

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      • Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Too bad they can’t make tulpas with that power

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    • Gabu@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Behold: what religion does to a person’s mind.

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  • Randelung@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    So they just deny space exploration. Easy.

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    • neo@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      While using a smartphone with nano chips and GPS, based on satellites and Einstein’s General Relativity.

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    • Bamboodpanda@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I recently had some guy rattle off 10 stupid reasons why we never landed on the moon in a row. I have never heard a more clear example of the fallacy of verbosity. One of them was "We didn’t have automatic windshield wipers for cars in the 60’s so there is no way we had the technology to go to the moon. "

      I swear to god his reasons were that stupid and he had a ton of them.

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      • captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        The Saturn V moon rocket first flew in 1967, first carried a crew in 1968 and flew the first moon landing in 1969.

        Bernard Sadow patented the first suitcase with wheels in 1972.

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      • Zink@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        That sounds like some pure uncut Dunning-Kruger there!

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    • kent_eh@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Flat earthers and moon landing deniers have entered the chat…

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    • Asidonhopo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Dinosaurs, also fake.

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  • FlaminGoku@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Fauci is to blame. The path of evil is paved in good intention.

    The fucker told everyone that they didn’t need masks.

    What he was intending to do was make sure doctors and emergency personnel had masks. instead, it became an inflection point or publicly dividing the nation.

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    • TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Let’s be real, the misinfosphere would’ve have found something else to misguide the morons. He didn’t even say “you don’t need masks”, he said “don’t buy all the masks, stay inside”

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      • agressivelyPassive@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I think the much deeper reason is, that stupid people can’t fathom that knowledge can change. They can’t understand that scientists legitimately didn’t know better, despite their best efforts. They can’t accept, that scientists come to other conclusions based on new data, instead they assume some ulterior motive.

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      • MotoAsh@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Yes, but the point is, a government official GASLIT THE PUBLIC, which gave a HUGE validation boost to the conspiracy nuts.

        He directly aided morons in spreading their moronery.

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      • EtherWhack@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        It’s such a bad idea to prioritize medical personnel having masks. There’s no way they would become high-risk vectors with the multitude of sick people they handle daily. /s

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    • Akasazh@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Reluctance against masks was not unique to the USA

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    • RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Fauci is a human being who gave advice, then changed his mind when more information became available. He did not invent the virus.

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    • Zuzak@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Exactly. The surgeon general tweeted out, “STOP WEARING MASKS” and CNN was publishing articles with all the anti-masker claims, including that they don’t work and could increase your risk of getting it instead, and people just pretend like it never happened and the anti-maskers came out of thin air.

      It wasn’t just an idiotic ploy to deliberately spread misinfo to trick people into leaving masks for doctors, it was also about the government trying to cover their own ass for having sold off their emergency stockpiles for fast cash.

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    • Tarquinn2049@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      The worst part is it was very clearly worded. People had to purposely, disingenuously misinterpret it. So of course they did.

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    • Chuymatt@beehaw.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Well, then there was the intent to let it run its course, as it was only hitting blue states at that time… it was a bit of a cluster…

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    • Chuymatt@beehaw.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Do you recall the people hoarding and trying to profit off of toilet paper, alcohol sanitizer, Clorox wipes? 

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  • MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Poindexter… not hard slang to get correct. Dumbasses.

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    • CluckN@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Fuck of Pondexter

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    • fossilesque@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Giga 🤓

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  • itsgroundhogdayagain@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Step on Mars but not on snek.

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  • muntedcrocodile@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Well it doesnt help that studies post covid restrictions found many of said restrictions where ineffective. Masks tho we have good evidance they work at least.

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    • tastysnacks@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Masks are more effective in protecting others if you are sick, rather than protecting yourself if others are sick. We should have the attitude that protecting others is good.

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      • rekabis@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        We should have the attitude that protecting others is good.

        This flies in the face of North American “exceptional individualism”.

        Asian societies are largely collective. You do what you can to serve others, putting the needs of the community ahead of your own, and this leads to tighter-knit, stronger, and more resilient communities.

        North American society is based on “muh rights” individualism, where the person is most important, and society needs to serve their needs, and not the other way around. This leads to weak, ephemeral, almost non-existent communities that are there only in name, or by a fluke of geography that makes completely random people cluster together without ever making serious or deep social connections.

        Of the two, the former might end up being stifling to creatives and neuroatypicals, but the latter cannot survive any significant challenge without a significantly negative impact on the “community”.

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      • winterayars@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        They still do reduce transmission to yourself but yeah, the big win is in not spreading it yourself.

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      • balderdash9@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Masks are more effective in protecting others if you are sick, rather than protecting yourself if others are sick.

        This was 100% not the messaging that was told to the public in the beginning.

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    • Dr_Cog@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      As always, it’s better to recommend more strict restrictions when you don’t know if they’re effective and there’s an impact on public health. Hindsight is 20/20

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      • TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I don’t know about other countries, but the on and off lockdowns in some countries proved to be ineffective. Many experts said it’s better to do lockdown in one go than it being staggered and having different levels of restrictions. But on the one hand, the totalitarian zero-COVID restriction like had happened in China is just as ineffictive.

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      • balderdash9@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        If you’re going to lock the country down then you need to support small business too. Imagine spending long nights building a business only to see it disappear under COVID restrictions. And then you learn that the restrictions weren’t necessary.

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  • Hello_Kitty_enjoyer@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The reality is that you can easily get infected through a mask, but the viral load is much lower

    Also if all the people around you are wearing masks in addition to yourself, then it’s way way lower

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  • arymandias@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    What is the thesis of this meme, that people are just stupid and there is no underlying problem or system that can be improved?

    Science is often communicated to the public via either companies, politics, or the media. Which al have their own interests and issues in representing “scientific facts”. To give some examples of the “science” people have been exposed to: These new pain killers are perfectly save and absolutely not addictive. Making health care accessible is actually bad for the economy and will be more expensive in the end. Or the numerous articles on outlier papers published in the media that conclude that it’s actually healthy to [insert obviously unhealthy habit here (sponsored by some industry group)].

    Science has a communication problem, and the communication conduits have a huge credibility problem. The results of which made an already bad pandemic even worse.

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  • EndMilkInCrisps@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Lot of over lap with anti-maskers and young earth flat earthers.

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  • Anticorp@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Ship no go. Can you make it go?

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  • Gigan@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It probably didn’t help that at the beginning they said the cloth didn’t help, then changed the messaging later on.

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  • CableMonster@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Are we really still pretending the mask I got from the front bin of Home Depot actually works?

    Can we look at the other claims the government “scientists” claimed to see how they were not real scientists?

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  • omxxi@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    white hoods covering the whole head are ruined too

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  • ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Well you have to let the virus out if you want to get rid of it. Why do you think there’s that saying about having to pass a cold along?

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  • Kinglink@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    And yet social distancing was “obvious” because scientists said it u til they admitted they pretty much just made that distance up.

    That’s why there’s an Appeal from Authority fallacy… But you just keep on trusting what ever they say with out questioning it.

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  • systemglitch@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Yet everyone still got it. Hmm.

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