I just want affordable healthcare
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doingthestuff@lemmy.world 9 months ago
paholg@lemm.ee 9 months ago
Unfortunately, the answer to that doesn’t lie in science but in politics.
BoxerDevil@lemmy.world 9 months ago
But I took a course in college Called political Science. So what about that mister science man?
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Ask the military industrial complex. Too much good applicable science and tech comes from space exploration.
phoenixz@lemmy.ca 9 months ago
Not really.
The NASA budget has been slashed for decades on a row and is currently a tiny amount compared to what it was before. That they still manage to do what they do is half a miracle in on itself.
It’s so bad that a 3 percent of the military budget given to NASA would double it’s budget instantly.
With that in mind, I would put this on the military industrial complex
Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Socializing your health care might destroy you guys, since there’s so many fatties, smokers, guns and people who ignore doctors.
flerp@lemm.ee 9 months ago
Except that it is a proven fact that public health care costs less per capita than private, so actually it sounds less expensive. The people lobbying to keep it private are the only ones who stand to lose and their brainwashed army of sycophants can’t understand anything beyond the points they’ve been trained to parrot.
Dagrothus@reddthat.com 9 months ago
I blame the obesity epidemic on the weak ass FDA and nutrition labeling. A ‘serving’ is whatever the hell they feel like making it - I’ve seen 1/3 of a cookie, a single tick tack (rounded down to 0g sugar), and every other arbitrary amount so actually comparing products takes so much time that most dont bother. Combine this with the fact that 90% of restaurants dont even bother giving you any information at all so you have to cook or go to specific big chains to actually track calories.
nBodyProblem@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Smokers?! Have you ever been to France? It’s like a trip back in time to 80s America, with a smoker on every street corner and an ash tray on every cafe patio table.
OpenStars@startrek.website 9 months ago
But surely you must understand how someone, having failed all of their classes and then dropped out of school altogether, understands complex matters better than the people who are brilliant, have international acclaim, and devoted like 5 decades of their lives to study that same thing?
Or you know, at least watched this 11-minute video?
And if you do, can you explain it to me? :-P So far all I have is “Might Makes Right”, but somehow that seems to be lacking something…
wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 9 months ago
They failed because they’re obviously smarter than science and not the other way around.
OpenStars@startrek.website 9 months ago
Also, are we not going to discuss the conspiracy theory that many of the people espousing this ideology were mysteriously killed!? And their families too! In fact, anyone even so much as near them had a chance to be affected, possibly some still here but with permanent brain damage!
Sounds pretty sus if you ask me…
PriorityMotif@lemmy.world 9 months ago
[deleted]OpenStars@startrek.website 9 months ago
Well, I was going to argue against that, but then I remembered that he is rich - which I guess is the same thing as smart? - so… okay! :-P
asg101@hexbear.net 9 months ago
The oligarchs have not decided that Mars can be made into a culture war issue… yet.
maynarkh@feddit.nl 9 months ago
They are on their way with how Musk and the other Silicon Valley idiots are going
fossilesque@mander.xyz 9 months ago
🤓
slingstone@lemmy.world 9 months ago
People act like their mamas never told 'em to cover their damned mouths when they cough or sneeze. It’s the same damned thing, only masks work much better at keeping your filthy germs from infecting other people.
Common sense ain’t common, they say, and this anti-mask nonsense is just proof that it’s true.
NegativeInf@lemmy.world 9 months ago
But don’t you know? Having symptoms like “drier mouth,” “fogged glasses,” and “smelling your own breath” are much more dangerous than a virus that killed a million Americans at least.
What it really tells me it that the mouth breathers are crazier than we gave them credit for.
kent_eh@lemmy.ca 9 months ago
People act like their mamas never told 'em to cover their damned mouths when they cough or sneeze
Nor to wash their hands before eating (or even after going to the toilet.)
slingstone@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I tried explaining universal precautions to a pastor of a church I was attending, and pointed out that there is a Christian commandment to love one’s neighbor that overrides one’s personal desires. He could not dispute my points, but he also didn’t do anything to implement safety procedures.
Guess who left the church after the unsurprising COVID outbreak?
I realize a lot of people here aren’t believers, but my point is that even within the context of religion or common wisdom, masks make sense.
There’s been a lot of talk lately about how decades of lead in gasoline, pipes, and in other places likely damaged generations of people’s ability to reason. I’m sincerely beginning to think this is a bigger problem than we’ll ever truly know.
Asidonhopo@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Or lick their hands when handling money
Anticorp@lemmy.world 9 months ago
You learn that most people are disgusting the first time you use a crowded public bathroom.
LoamImprovement@beehaw.org 9 months ago
I mean a lot of them also don’t believe we landed unmanned units on mars, or humans on the moon, for that matter, so…
WarmSoda@lemm.ee 9 months ago
It’s funny, I’ve heard plenty of morons talk about flat earth, but I’ve never seen anyone say anything about Mars.
Jolteon@lemmy.zip 9 months ago
Mars is obviously a star, since it is in the sky and glows.
hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 9 months ago
Some of those dumb fucks think that it’s just Earth that’s flat, but other planets are round – probably because it’s so bleeding obvious they are when you look at them through a telescope. Somehow that logic doesn’t apply to the Earth though
fckreddit@lemmy.ml 9 months ago
I am reasonably sure that a fair many conservatives feel that they are entitled to their biases and fallacies and the world must bend to these biases.
mods_are_assholes@lemmy.world 9 months ago
It’s deeper than that, they literally believe they can change objective reality by believing hard enough.
That’s why they excuse all of their bad acts, if they ignore it, it doesn’t exist to them.
Negative object permanence.
fckreddit@lemmy.ml 9 months ago
I think you are right. I believe it is somehow related their obsessive belief in their religion.
I am not saying that all religious people are bad. But, somehow, these people excuse their bad behaviour by quoting scriptures. There has to a correlation too.
Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Too bad they can’t make tulpas with that power
Gabu@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Behold: what religion does to a person’s mind.
Randelung@lemmy.world 9 months ago
So they just deny space exploration. Easy.
neo@feddit.de 9 months ago
While using a smartphone with nano chips and GPS, based on satellites and Einstein’s General Relativity.
Bamboodpanda@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I recently had some guy rattle off 10 stupid reasons why we never landed on the moon in a row. I have never heard a more clear example of the fallacy of verbosity. One of them was "We didn’t have automatic windshield wipers for cars in the 60’s so there is no way we had the technology to go to the moon. "
I swear to god his reasons were that stupid and he had a ton of them.
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
The Saturn V moon rocket first flew in 1967, first carried a crew in 1968 and flew the first moon landing in 1969.
Bernard Sadow patented the first suitcase with wheels in 1972.
Zink@programming.dev 9 months ago
That sounds like some pure uncut Dunning-Kruger there!
kent_eh@lemmy.ca 9 months ago
Flat earthers and moon landing deniers have entered the chat…
Asidonhopo@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Dinosaurs, also fake.
FlaminGoku@reddthat.com 9 months ago
Fauci is to blame. The path of evil is paved in good intention.
The fucker told everyone that they didn’t need masks.
What he was intending to do was make sure doctors and emergency personnel had masks. instead, it became an inflection point or publicly dividing the nation.
TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee 9 months ago
Let’s be real, the misinfosphere would’ve have found something else to misguide the morons. He didn’t even say “you don’t need masks”, he said “don’t buy all the masks, stay inside”
agressivelyPassive@feddit.de 9 months ago
I think the much deeper reason is, that stupid people can’t fathom that knowledge can change. They can’t understand that scientists legitimately didn’t know better, despite their best efforts. They can’t accept, that scientists come to other conclusions based on new data, instead they assume some ulterior motive.
MotoAsh@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Yes, but the point is, a government official GASLIT THE PUBLIC, which gave a HUGE validation boost to the conspiracy nuts.
He directly aided morons in spreading their moronery.
EtherWhack@lemmy.world 9 months ago
It’s such a bad idea to prioritize medical personnel having masks. There’s no way they would become high-risk vectors with the multitude of sick people they handle daily. /s
Akasazh@feddit.nl 9 months ago
Reluctance against masks was not unique to the USA
RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Fauci is a human being who gave advice, then changed his mind when more information became available. He did not invent the virus.
Zuzak@hexbear.net 9 months ago
Exactly. The surgeon general tweeted out, “STOP WEARING MASKS” and CNN was publishing articles with all the anti-masker claims, including that they don’t work and could increase your risk of getting it instead, and people just pretend like it never happened and the anti-maskers came out of thin air.
It wasn’t just an idiotic ploy to deliberately spread misinfo to trick people into leaving masks for doctors, it was also about the government trying to cover their own ass for having sold off their emergency stockpiles for fast cash.
Tarquinn2049@lemmy.world 9 months ago
The worst part is it was very clearly worded. People had to purposely, disingenuously misinterpret it. So of course they did.
Chuymatt@beehaw.org 9 months ago
Well, then there was the intent to let it run its course, as it was only hitting blue states at that time… it was a bit of a cluster…
Chuymatt@beehaw.org 9 months ago
Do you recall the people hoarding and trying to profit off of toilet paper, alcohol sanitizer, Clorox wipes? 
MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Poindexter… not hard slang to get correct. Dumbasses.
CluckN@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Fuck of Pondexter
fossilesque@mander.xyz 9 months ago
Giga 🤓
itsgroundhogdayagain@lemmy.ml 9 months ago
Step on Mars but not on snek.
muntedcrocodile@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Well it doesnt help that studies post covid restrictions found many of said restrictions where ineffective. Masks tho we have good evidance they work at least.
tastysnacks@programming.dev 9 months ago
Masks are more effective in protecting others if you are sick, rather than protecting yourself if others are sick. We should have the attitude that protecting others is good.
rekabis@lemmy.ca 9 months ago
We should have the attitude that protecting others is good.
This flies in the face of North American “exceptional individualism”.
Asian societies are largely collective. You do what you can to serve others, putting the needs of the community ahead of your own, and this leads to tighter-knit, stronger, and more resilient communities.
North American society is based on “muh rights” individualism, where the person is most important, and society needs to serve their needs, and not the other way around. This leads to weak, ephemeral, almost non-existent communities that are there only in name, or by a fluke of geography that makes completely random people cluster together without ever making serious or deep social connections.
Of the two, the former might end up being stifling to creatives and neuroatypicals, but the latter cannot survive any significant challenge without a significantly negative impact on the “community”.
winterayars@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
They still do reduce transmission to yourself but yeah, the big win is in not spreading it yourself.
balderdash9@lemmy.zip 9 months ago
Masks are more effective in protecting others if you are sick, rather than protecting yourself if others are sick.
This was 100% not the messaging that was told to the public in the beginning.
Dr_Cog@mander.xyz 9 months ago
As always, it’s better to recommend more strict restrictions when you don’t know if they’re effective and there’s an impact on public health. Hindsight is 20/20
TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I don’t know about other countries, but the on and off lockdowns in some countries proved to be ineffective. Many experts said it’s better to do lockdown in one go than it being staggered and having different levels of restrictions. But on the one hand, the totalitarian zero-COVID restriction like had happened in China is just as ineffictive.
balderdash9@lemmy.zip 9 months ago
If you’re going to lock the country down then you need to support small business too. Imagine spending long nights building a business only to see it disappear under COVID restrictions. And then you learn that the restrictions weren’t necessary.
Hello_Kitty_enjoyer@hexbear.net 9 months ago
The reality is that you can easily get infected through a mask, but the viral load is much lower
Also if all the people around you are wearing masks in addition to yourself, then it’s way way lower
arymandias@feddit.de 9 months ago
What is the thesis of this meme, that people are just stupid and there is no underlying problem or system that can be improved?
Science is often communicated to the public via either companies, politics, or the media. Which al have their own interests and issues in representing “scientific facts”. To give some examples of the “science” people have been exposed to: These new pain killers are perfectly save and absolutely not addictive. Making health care accessible is actually bad for the economy and will be more expensive in the end. Or the numerous articles on outlier papers published in the media that conclude that it’s actually healthy to [insert obviously unhealthy habit here (sponsored by some industry group)].
Science has a communication problem, and the communication conduits have a huge credibility problem. The results of which made an already bad pandemic even worse.
EndMilkInCrisps@hexbear.net 9 months ago
Lot of over lap with anti-maskers and young earth flat earthers.
Anticorp@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Ship no go. Can you make it go?
Gigan@lemmy.world 9 months ago
It probably didn’t help that at the beginning they said the cloth didn’t help, then changed the messaging later on.
CableMonster@lemmy.ml 9 months ago
Are we really still pretending the mask I got from the front bin of Home Depot actually works?
Can we look at the other claims the government “scientists” claimed to see how they were not real scientists?
omxxi@feddit.de 9 months ago
white hoods covering the whole head are ruined too
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 9 months ago
Well you have to let the virus out if you want to get rid of it. Why do you think there’s that saying about having to pass a cold along?
Kinglink@lemmy.world 9 months ago
And yet social distancing was “obvious” because scientists said it u til they admitted they pretty much just made that distance up.
That’s why there’s an Appeal from Authority fallacy… But you just keep on trusting what ever they say with out questioning it.
systemglitch@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Yet everyone still got it. Hmm.
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MeaanBeaan@lemmy.world 9 months ago
You’re assuming these people believe we even send things to space. I had a serious ass conversation recently with my father’s roommate. Typical conspiracy theorist ding dong. Full on flat earther and everything. I asked him how he thinks GPS works if the earth was flat. He admitted he didn’t know but then when I started to explain how it works by pinging satellites we put up in space he cut me off and said space isn’t real. Like legitimately thinks space isn’t real. He on a separate occasion also complained that we didn’t need to wear masks during covid because we apparently make our own viruses in our bodies and viruses don’t spread between people.
These people don’t even understand how logic works. Let alone that people could be smarter than they are.
fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de 9 months ago
Well, if you reject all knowledge you cannot obtain through direct observation, you can kinda start to understand how they ended up where they are.
They’re intimidated by the scientific method.
flerp@lemm.ee 9 months ago
Many of them are religious and believe plenty of things they didn’t directly observe. It’s more that they have been trained through religious thinking that if someone confidently claims something it must be more true than someone who honestly admits that “it is the best we can know right now and we will update our understanding as we obtain more evidence.” These people need the answer now and that answer can’t change because changing your opinion based on new evidence is seen as weakness and opinions should be handed down from on high and never change.
Hasuris@sopuli.xyz 9 months ago
There’s always been crazy and stupid people. And then we gave them the internet to connect and to have a voice. Now they feed of each other’s crazynies and believe they run the world.
Only way to fight this is education. Give people the ability to see through crazy. You’re not born with common sense. It’s taught and learned.
bufalo1973@lemmy.ml 9 months ago
Not a solution but it is fun to put a flat-earther with a hollow-earther and say Earth is a ball. Then you grab some popcorn.
pythonoob@programming.dev 9 months ago
We should just start jettisoning these people into space
Socsa@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
Tbh, it’s really your fault for choosing to interact with this person more than once.