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• Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Hello again, I see we’re both annoyed by the same person still

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  • SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Yeah this shit is getting out of hand.

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    • FenrirIII@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Already blocked the ass

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• auzy1@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Yep. I see this is the new feed.

  It’s stupid just reposting 100% from another place. If I wanted that, I’d just go there.

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  • snooggums@piefed.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I do like that posters who seem ro manually post filter the stuff from other sites which in my opinion increases the average quality of posts. Reddit is a tidal wave with a few gems. The fediverse is mostly the gems, like using cheesecloth in a strainer.

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• Cris_Citrus@piefed.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  A day ago he reposted a meme about a doctor raping a woman because her credit card was declined and she couldnt pay for care.

  Thats VILE.

  In addition to the slimy pretending that his posts are organic traffic, he is also importing the culture of casual sexism that reddit has to the threadiverse.

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  • glimse@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    He’s like 14 or at least has the brain of one. I hate the sexist shit he always posts. Let’s keep 4chan shit like that on 4chan

    📡📡📡 Lazy-ass poster with dumb emoji titles

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  • Malica@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Is that the incel on shit posting?

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    • Cris_Citrus@piefed.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yeah, all the gender wars and incel garbage is pretty much just him

      https://sh.itjust.works/post/67242461 The post I was referring to

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• rimu@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Working on it!

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  • TheShamMirrors@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’ll drop everything and come to piefed right now. On god.

    Question though: How or will you differentiate between people who are scheduling mass posts from reddit from people who just saved memes that also happened to be there?

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    • chloroken@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      The idea that you’re thinking of moving to PieFed is hysterical. It really all makes sense now. Youre a shitlib “progressive” Democrat who has a lot tk say about “capitalism” and thinks anyone who identifies as a socialist is faking it. You are literally the perfect demographic for PieFed. Lmfao. I’m dead.

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    • Bumrocky@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I hate the reddit reposts where the only interaction is on reddit … that defeats the point of lemmy\fediverse?

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  • LordMayor@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    If you can detect it, you could auto ban them, no?

    I think a rule against serial reposting would be fine and, probably, popular.

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    • SolSerkonos@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I wouldn’t like a blanket rule like that. I think that dropdown menu in the screenshot is perfect. Especially if paired with a toggle in the community settings that lets the mods ban posts from them entirely.

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    • Despair@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Isn’t that just a client side filter, would be up to whoever runs the community/instance rules for handling bot accounts, and if they feel the accounts should be banned.

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  • Buage_@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Awesome, thanks so much!

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  • SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Is there a way to tell repost rates for today vs yesterday?

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    • rimu@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Not yet, this functionality isn’t running on a live server.

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• MrQuallzin@pie.eyeofthestorm.place ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Thank you SMCF for calling them out so I can tag them and move on

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  • SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    They’ll make two new accounts by next week so good luck.

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    • daggermoon@piefed.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Oh, I see I cut the head off of a Hydra.

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• crayons_to_chaos@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  The knights of new were what made reddit good, where are they

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  • TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’m out here in New/ 1hr / all fighting for my fucking life

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  • CombatWombat@feddit.online ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    We’re still here, but! do we have good taste?

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    • crayons_to_chaos@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

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• CorrectAlias@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I hate all of them, but I hate the ones not marked as bots more than those that are marked.

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• yakko@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  So I’m not looking for a fight, but can we have a friendly talk about the value of repost bots in the context of this medium? I just feel like yapping, so feel free to ignore if no.

  Lemmy shares a format with Reddit - they’re feed aggregators. Their value proposition is having everything in one place so a community can pass judgment on it all. That’s why people hate reposts and bad faith actors, adverse or opaque sorting algorithms, and agenda-driven moderators - they directly devalue the medium. We tend to like original content, genuine sentiments and human connections, and relevant posts because those directly support the inherent value of a feed aggregator.

  I’m not convinced either way about repost bots, yet. They’re clearly not genuine or original, and too many of them will tend to obscure - you know what? I got there in the end I see it now.

  I could still see the value in a carefully chosen, rate-limited bot that reposts with the blessing of the moderators, but the rate and curation are important, and the rate has to take into account the number of other communities using them versus the number of active users, so it’s not trivial to decide what the right amount would be.

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  • im_fine_sandy@nord.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Repost bots discourage new users and kill engagement.

    Suppose you’re into trampolines but there’s no community for that here. You create one, and to kick start it you get a repost bot to repost from the other place.

    Over the coming weeks a few fediverse users see your community but see that they’re all reposts with no comments, there’s nothing to really engage with there, so no one does.

    Next month someone signs up to the fediverse and joins a few special interest communities. /c/sports, /c/gymnastics, and /c/trampolines. There might actually be real posts and discussions in /c/sports, but that new users feed is overrun with reposts in /c/trampolines. It’s a very clear signal that there’s no content here, all the content is on reddit.

    If you actually want a community, then you can read about trampolines on the other site, and manually repost things yourself as a human.

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    • HerbGrower@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I think it can work for meme/shitpost type communities. But anything hobby related you really need to add something to prompt actual discussion

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    • yakko@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Quality of engagement is important, you’re right. By the time I’d written everything out I’d already mostly thought myself almost all the way to being against bots, but this makes sense. Taking your position, bots gotta go.

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  • crandall@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Unfortunately they don’t create the same engagement as a natural post. No one wants to comment on a wall of bot posts with no human involved. All it does is kill actual community engagement. Lemmy and reddit are not just link aggregators, they are forums for discussion, with humans.

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  • soratoyuki@piefed.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I guess I’m in the extreme minority, but like… All the posts in OP are heavily upvoted and spawned comments. That’s… good? I don’t see why people care more about where a post comes from than the fact that large stretches of the Threadiverse are barren and reposts are the only content available.

    Sanitation is my most upvoted Threadiverse poster, and I’d rather have their content than nothing. Which, largely, is the alternative.

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    • yakko@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      That’s what was giving me so much uncertainty in either direction, there’s always some gulf between how people act and what they say they want. You have to come at it not just from a metrics number, but with a little wisdom as well. I think sure, people upvote bots like crazy and that’s probably why Reddit doesn’t get rid of them because it helps their metrics. We don’t rely on that financial model, and bots probably do stifle genuine discussion to some degree by sheer noise:signal. I could be swayed still, but I’d need to see solid evidence to show that bots actually help communities thrive. It’s probably highly contextual as well, some types of !c probably benefit from bots more than others would, but any bots will tend to dominate an /all feed.

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  • myyass@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    FIGHT!

    The main issue for small subs can be solved with pinned threads.

    The whole, where do I go to eat this here or what restaurant is good for this food or who does this kind of work locally or look at what I ate at so and so restaurant and you probably can imagine the theme here. Put into one post and ban whoever advertises. No need to repost pinned threads.

    FINNISH HYMN

    I think negative interaction is a good start. There’s a reason people get their posts deleted, shadow banned, or just banned.

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    • yakko@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Pinned threads solve for perpetual topics within communities sure, but the main area where too many repost bots will do the most harm if left unchecked is when cruising all or local. People who sort by new are the lifeblood of a feed’s community, and if there’s not enough of them to boost the most valuable signals, the community won’t grow and might even shrink.

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• mp3@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Personally I don’t mind it too much, as long as

  • there’s no vote manipulation to artificially boost the post
  • there are genuine interactions in the comments
  • the account posting this is properly labelled as a bot account (if it’s an actual bot)

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  • GardenGeek@europe.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Looking at this specific accounts history it seems as if its a regular poster (with a bit controverse ethics about content creation if you will) and as if OP has just labeled the account to be a bot.

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• soratoyuki@piefed.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  All of those posts are heavily upvoted and have multiple comments though? Accreditation, etc. are all valid critiques, but I genuinely don’t understand why so many people care about the provenance of posts.

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  • SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I post pictures of bread bake and I’m on the upper lower middle side of mid for my baking skills.

    If someone picks the best bread on a subreddit with a million members my posts will be buried instantly so what’s the point in adding real content?

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    • soratoyuki@piefed.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I think that’s a bad analogy for a few reasons. First, all the examples you’ve posted are specifically meme template-friendly subs, which makes sense since they’re inherently easy to repost. I don’t think think a baking community would have that problem. But even if it did, you could just start a new baking community that bans reposts? Given how unpopular repost bots are, I assume your anti-repost baking community would be more popular than the hypothetical pro-repost baking community that your posts are buried in. Assuming that repost bots are drowning out more organic content, which prima facie doesn’t seem to be the case in either community you screenshotted as examples. Both seem like pretty solid examples of their being no other content.

      Structurally speaking, up and down votes should ideally, roughly sort posts by quality. A post being buried (unpopular) in a community isn’t necessarily a bad thing.

      If fear of not getting enough internet points is what’s keeping someone from posting, that’s more on them.

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    • odelik@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      That’s a very fancy way of saying, “I bake the middest of mid bread.” And I approve

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    • NathanRanch@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The canary sings despite the cage. You don’t have to sing to anyone except for when you want to

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• rosahaj@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Does blocking not work? I’m not the biggest fan of repost bots myself, but they exist for a specific purpose. There are times when you have to take efforts to curate your own experience, also.

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  • SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Not when they create new accounts constantly.

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    • rosahaj@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Oh yeah, no, that shouldn’t happen.

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  • im_fine_sandy@nord.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    They actively discourage new users, and engagement.

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    • rosahaj@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yeah, that’s true. Thinking about it more ‘just block them’ only really works if they aren’t most of the platform. I make most of my posts to encourage discussion, and I don’t see repost bots doing much to that end.

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• desmosthenes@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  enshittification is 100% complete

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  • Kushan@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    This is a lemmy problem.

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    • desmosthenes@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      an internet problem

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• SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

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  • glimse@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Time2lose is almost definitely u/sanitation after he got torn apart in his “everyone who doesn’t like my repost bot is wrong” post. They’re using the same software that trunctates post titles. They’re both clearly Russian and have made some anti-ukraine comments.

    And not to get all conspiratorial but it is a biiit suspicious that a Russian bot is spamming tabloids to the US news communities when we’re approaching an important election. At the very least, it’s annoying as fuck.

    I don’t think the user you’re talking about in the top post is the same, though. Different posting styles, totally different content. I also don’t think it’s the same person as the (thankfully dead) SteamAndEpic account, either, though that one was also Russian. Just a lazy spammer this time.

    Wholly agreed with your conclusion, though.

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    • SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

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    • Despair@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It almost certainly is, Both Sanitation and Time2lose use the term “reddit agent” when people point out the automated reposts.

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• BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Can’t wait for this to be reposted by the bots.

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• Tolookah@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I’d love a lemmy client that next to a username, it gives their post to comment ratio. That tends to give me a solid feel. If they don’t comment on their own posts ever, then they are not here to discuss.

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  • AnarchistArtificer@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    You’re right, that’d be a really useful heuristic. I comment way more than I post, but whenever I do post, I always make sure to reply to at least a few of the comments people leave. It feels almost like a duty, and I’d feel bad if I didn’t at least try.

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    • mobyduck648@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yeah never been a fan of drive-by posting myself.

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    • Tolookah@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Truth be told, I was kind of hoping for a reply of “use this client, it does exactly that!” I’ll let you know if someone gives me one.

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  • InFerNo@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    That kind of check is easily evaded. Consider this bot posting automatic, what prevents it from replying to some comments by running it through AI?

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• heartSagan5@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Slop in, slop out.

  This AI thing might turn people off the Internet???

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  • tetris11@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I like to frequent HackerNews for some of the discussions there, but… my god, the front page just turns me off. I do a quick glance, see if anything isn’t some not-so-subtly covert advert for a product, and just navigate away.

    There are some alternative front pages (elijahpotter.dev/hnsansai) to make it bearable, but even then

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• MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Fuck Reddit and Fuck Spez.

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  • baddaywithacamera@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Reddit is getting increasingly wonky. Picked up a ban for calling a racist a racist. I’m being hateful. Um, okay?

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    • odelik@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Don’t call out that, cus that’s just as hateful as hate! /s

      Or something like that I presume.

      It’s even tolerance paradox shit (which only exists if you misunderstand what tolerance is), it’s full blown normalization of biggoted behavior.

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• CameronDev@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  And then they get mirrored to fediverse via bots…

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  • OwOarchist@pawb.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    But in the fediverse, you can just block the repost bots. Do it. It becomes so much better.

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    • CameronDev@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Of course, but the problem is that new users come here, see a sea of repost bots, and then conclude that its a ghost town.

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• Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  This is why we can block things

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  • DrDickHandler@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    You do realize that 95% of all Reddit / Lemmy posts are all created by bots right?

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    • Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Show your work

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• 20cello@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  People should have abandoned reddit months ago

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  • SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Years.

    Same time sexy pig boy abandoned his users.

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  • Deadeyegai@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Longer. Haven’t looked back

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  • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    as soon as they fully force the logins, and if on mobile using thier apps is when people star leaving in droves. but people are addicted to certain sub like sports.

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• BilSabab@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Dead internet theory!!!

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  • MajorasTerribleFate@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Ugh, only bots still post about dead internet theory.

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    • BilSabab@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      beep bop!

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• Malica@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I’m not infuriated by more content that we desperately need.

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• Cherry@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I use browser so don’t get to see the little robot icon. Looking forward to a fix. image

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• dreamkeeper@literature.cafe ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  People whined and cried about the lack of content on Lemmy but never posted anything (including me btw). Now we’re going to whine and cry because bots are solving that problem?

  Lemmy is basically identical to reddit in so many ways, and it looks like incessantly whiny commenters are one of them. The bots keep getting engagement from users so all this complaining means nothing.

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• SpruceBringsteen@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  There is a report button, I encourage people to use it.

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• bandanawearingbanana@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Half those posts I’ve seen here too. It doesn’t really matter tbh. At least the people are nicer here.

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• Psythik@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Good. Lemmy needs more content. I hate that I miss out on so much by being here, but I can’t go back to reddit. Therefore I welcome the bots with open arms.

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• rosahaj@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Does blocking not work? I’m not the biggest fan of repost bots myself, but they exist for a specific purpose (however tenuous their ability to achieve it may be.)

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• CovfefeKills@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  As long as the bot is allowed to be there it’s not a problem it’s not ideal obviously. It should be considered if it is actually a good idea will the community ever develop if it is just already 100% reddit reposts?

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• humanspiral@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I don’t mind, if content is interesting. I was forced to post fairly big news no one else bothered with today.

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