Clock in and steal time. Shit on the clock. Check your local job postings. Use social media. Ask for clarification on that last email. Walk over for clarification. Just sit there.
Capitalism is all about using state power to protect capital by force
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shweddy@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Jhex@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
But note these are all good “resistance” strategies, not solutions to the problem
Turret3857@infosec.pub 3 weeks ago
this doesnt work for doordash because you’re being paid a flat per delivery rate. you won’t get anything for “clocking in”
Carl@anarchist.nexus 3 weeks ago
Here’s a reminder that wage theft accounts for nearly 75% of all theft. It’s literally larger than every other form of theft combined, and then multiplied by almost three.
If you walked into a convenience store and blatantly stole a $2 candy bar at the same time every single day, they’d have a cop waiting for you by the end of the week. But if that same convenience store chain steals $2 in wages from each of their 5000 employees every single day, then that is just good business.
Part of the issue is that lots of people seem to think “my employer didn’t pay my check” is the only form of wage theft. In reality, wage theft typically happens via a thousand tiny things. Things like unpaid breaks that still require work. Unfair time clock rounding that shaves a fraction of an hour off of every employee’s clock in/clock out times. Managers requiring employees to show up early, and then not allowing them to clock in until their shift is scheduled to begin. Employers automatically deducting an hour of time for meal breaks, (for “convenience”) even if the employee was working during that time and got a shorter break. Employers requiring employees to clock out at the scheduled end of their shift to avoid overtime, then requiring those employees to finish their closing tasks while clocked out. Requiring employees to “always be on-call” but refusing to pay them an on-call fee when they take work calls while clocked out.
All of those minor things quickly add up to massive amounts of stolen wages. For the employees, it is death by a thousand cuts. No single infraction is large enough to sue over, and no individual employee is going to bother going to court over $2 in unpaid wages. But when the company is doing it at scale, it means every employee is being paid less, which leads to massive illegal profits for the employer.
fartographer@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
We should be at the point where RTO orders for positions that could be remote should also be considered a form of wage theft. Instead, we’re at a point where every hour, your employer steals what you get paid per day.
ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
If employers had to pay employees for their commute time, that would be the end of RTO.
Maybe. I still don’t understand the economics of making people come in to work when the companies have to pay rent on the spaces where employees work.
Polisheocket@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Especially when gas is $6 a gallon, that steals $80 a week that I could keep by doing my job from home where it can 100% be done
Pixel_Jock_17@piefed.ca 3 weeks ago
Bang on Carl. Did you see Shweddy’s comment above? Thats what I do from time to time to combat the bullshit. I am fortunate to have a job in this economy I’m told. So I do what I must and try to do stuff for myself at work too
Carl@anarchist.nexus 2 weeks ago
I literally posted that comment while sitting in a meeting. So yeah, I do it too.
YragNitram1956@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
Old but still relevant and true. “But there’s a reason. There’s a reason. There’s a reason for this, there’s a reason education SUCKS, and it’s the same reason it will never, ever, EVER be fixed. It’s never going to get any better, don’t look for it, be happy with what you’ve got. Because the owners, the owners of this country don’t want that. I’m talking about the real owners now, the BIG owners! The Wealthy… the REAL owners! The big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians. They are irrelevant. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don’t. You have no choice! You have OWNERS! They OWN YOU. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought, and paid for the Senate, the Congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies, so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying, lobbying, to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I’ll tell you what they don’t want: They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. That’s against their interests. Thats right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table and think about how badly they’re getting fucked by a system that threw them overboard 30 fucking years ago. They don’t want that! You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers, people who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork. And just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shitty jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you sooner or later cause they own this fucking place! It’s a big club, and you ain’t in it! You, and I, are not in the big club. By the way, it’s the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head with their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table has tilted folks. The game is rigged and nobody seems to notice. Nobody seems to care! Good honest hard-working people; white collar, blue collar it doesn’t matter what colour shirt you have on. Good honest hard-working people continue, these are people of modest means, continue to elect these rich cock suckers who don’t give a fuck about you….they don’t give a fuck about you… they don’t give a FUCK about you. They don’t care about you at all… at all… AT ALL. And nobody seems to notice. Nobody seems to care. That’s what the owners count on. The fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick that’s being jammed up their assholes everyday, because the owners of this country know the truth. It’s called the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it. George Carlin
diffaldo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Hard truth 👍 Good news is we can solve the media problem by using fediverse and disconnecting ourselves from corpo media.
DairyKing@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
We are happy in our bubble
AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The more things change eh?
LodeMike@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
“We take full responsibility”*
*Only after being threatened with something worse by Chad Mamdamni
SippyCup@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
“Shit we got caught. Hey have the social media intern draft an apology that says this was unintentional but that we take full responsibility.”
lobut@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
After spending over a million dollars trying to make sure he isn’t elected.
realitaetsverlust@piefed.zip 2 weeks ago
CEOs should be personally liable for grave mistakes made by their company. Then a lot of this nonsense would end.
FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
CEOs shouldn’t exist. Workplaces should be managed by the workers.
realitaetsverlust@piefed.zip 2 weeks ago
Cool in concept, not feasible in real life.
TheKingBombOmbKiller@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
What makes a workplace owned and managed by the workers incompatible with the role of a chief executive officer?
Napster153@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It really tells you that the nobility class never went away, it just rebranded itself.
Wealth hoarding, not to be mistaken with accumulation, should be grounds for investigation, and redistribution if necessary.
dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
“Limited Liability” means what then? There are legal constructs that exist that have not been dismantled to even allow an idea like that to exist in legal doctrine.
TronBronson@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It means limited, as in imposed limits. No doing wide spread economic or environmental damage is an existing limit?? Also no ones talking about LLC CEOs, we are talking about c corps lololol. Take your little libertarian ass back to school.
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
That is only the case if you’re the CEO of a small mom and pops business. Then oh boy, the state makes sure you’re responsible, to show the people they hold CEOs accountable for their behavior (read: they close shops for small accounting mistakes they forgive big corporations to “save workplaces”). If you even manage to get to that point, and not just being prematurely shot down with “why don’t you just work hard at <insert corporation name here> to climb the rank ladder to CEOdom?” and cost of entry into forming your own business.
lena@gregtech.eu 3 weeks ago
Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 3 weeks ago
Couldn’t you even get a checkmark by just being popular?
shartgargle@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
They say this after they lost a court battle. They didn’t say shit while the issue was ongoing. They even spent $1.4 mill to avoid it by trying to keep mamdani from getting elected. Now they want to go “oh dear me! I’m so sorry!”
TomArrr@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Why do they not ‘accidentally’ overpay them for once?
Sordid_Seraphim@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Here’s the thing, they sometimes do but unlike the circumstances where they underpay, they’ll notice and take it back.
uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Doorddash will take full responsibility when they return the money and stop doing it.
Claiming whoopsidaisy on social media only flaunt the position of power and the contrived desperation that keeps drivers in their place.
I’d suggest unionize but union-busting practices are very effective and the courts are against you.
VeryInterestingTable@jlai.lu 2 weeks ago
Fuck responsibility put people in prison for fuck sake they are criminals.
daychilde@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I’m perfectly fine with sufficiently regulated capitalism. I’ve certainly not seen any working alternatives that have worked at a nation-wide scale.
Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
Crazy that nowhere in the world had functional societies until the past couple of centuries. Just wild.
Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus 3 weeks ago
The emphasis should really be “sufficiently regulated”. I can’t see any capitalist country at the moment where the regulation is as stringent as needed and as punishing for violations as deserved.
daychilde@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
The best countries that I can point to (Scandanavia) seem to have the highest regulated capitalism.
I don’t see any examples of countries that are not some form of capitalism, but in general, the less regulations, the worse they’re doing.
theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
Why isn’t communism scalable in your mind? “Well regulated capitalism” is still by definition exploitation.
searabbit@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
I think a lot of people think capitalism literally means commerce. The sanctions usually imposed on socialist/ communist countries fuels this idea by directly restricting commerce in those countries and sabotaging them.
cattywampas@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Would you want this administration to own the means of production?
DegradationDenial@feddit.nl 2 weeks ago
Communism (not DemSoc) is an economic system where a government essentially owns the population ruled by an autocrat. The ML way of democratic centralism completely fails when the opposition is blocked from voting which assures total enforced hegemony.
Independent unions are illegal in China with only the All-China Federation of Trade Unions(ACFTU) permitted by the Chinese state and the Chinese Communist Party to operate.
This doesn’t sound like a good idea.
daychilde@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I’ve certainly not seen any working alternatives that have worked at a nation-wide scale.
kinsnik@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
i think markets do provide signals about local preferences and efficencies that centralized economies lose. personally i think socialism > comunism because of that, in which the workers own the factories but markets still operate on competition;
i am also open to something like georgism which is capitalism but all rent-seeking activities are 100% taxed and give back in form of services and UBI to the population
gastroglizzy@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
Yep, never worked before, ever… except for all the places it has.
daychilde@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
And where do you think it has worked?
OwOarchist@pawb.social 3 weeks ago
Who says we need a nation-wide scale? Nations are just too big.
daychilde@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I have year to see anyone suggest workable practical alternatives, just feel-good masturbation like the above comment.
So go ahead, masturbate furiously to your fantasies, but I’d rather deal with the adults in the room talking about actual workable ways to improve our lives.
This is the type of nonsense that leads to twits saying “I only agree with like 90% of what this progressive politician stands for, so I won’t vote for them!” and the fascists fucking win.
Grow the fuck up, people. Jesus christ.
Work reform? We nede to string our fucking oligarchs up and solve wealth inequality. We need to use things that WORK. Capitalism is fine, just need sufficient regulations. What we don’t need is a useless communist reveolution that throws everything into utter chaos and fails.
We need strong unions, universal health care, universal basic income, human rights protections.
Not to fuck around playing with schemes that won’t work on the countries that already exist.
ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
They hide behind intent, which does matter, but the judicial system only gives them the benefit of the doubt
Poor single mom gets busted for not scanning all her groceries at self check out? She can say it’s a mistake all she wants but the law will proceed as if she acted intentionally, and it’s her burden to prove otherwise (which is basically impossible in a legal sense, your strategy is trust me bro)
Door dash does this? All of a sudden trust me bro works as a strategy. Even if we took them at that and said sure, it’s not intentional, it’s still easily argued as negligence, but that doesn’t happen. A penalty of obviously paying back the funds, plus interest, to impacted employees should be a minimum as well as regulatory changes to mandate increased oversight and simplify employee reporting of when this does occur (at doordashes expense). And obviously if intentionality is show jail time/criminal charges for the architects. But this doesn’t happen because we live in a failed state
mHtt@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Almost, its about protecting OLIGARCHY not capitalism.
Capitalism would encourage new ideas and replace old outdated ones.
Can’t have that. We get status quo because every rich person needs to pass along their ill gotten gains to prevent their spawn falling into wage slavery.
None of the world leader children actually work, yet all are millionaires. How is that capitalism?
Urist@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
(…) not capitalism. (…) the investment/ownership class (…) the wage slavery class. None of the world leader children actually work, yet all are millionaires. How is that capitalism?
How is it anything but capitalism? What do you call the production mode that allows one class to live of the surplus value og another?
Maybe read a book?
pachrist@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
You can call that feudalism, among other things.
But that’s because it’s intentionally hard to tell if it’s feudalism in a capitalist hat or capitalism in a feudalism hat. That’s what oligarchy is.
Capitalism in itself is private enterprise, which is where capitalism defenders usually start trumpeting that capitalism isn’t actually evil. I think you can maybe make an argument that totally unregulated capitalism isn’t evil, because it’s basically anarchy. But the reality of human greed hits hard and always leads to self-regulation (collusion) and external regulation (coersion), which muddy the waters and lead to oligarchy and feudalism regardless as politicians and businessmen consolidate power.
TronBronson@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Which book describes a real society that didn’t have an upper class feeding on a lower class? Like which society was that again?
adjectivenoun@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
You mostly just described serfdom.
mHtt@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
yes capitalism ALSO requires oversight and competition, not just ownership of the means of production. otherwise its mob rule. We have neither, ergo it’s not capitalism.
ive read plenty of books and not all are reliable.
HerbGrower@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
Look at farmers saying how much we need them because they make food. Yet they own all the fucking land and we are not allowed to grow food there! Most of the ones complaining are in the top few % and exploit cheap labour - those cheap workers are actually the ones making all the food.
TronBronson@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Our landed gentry must maintain their landedness else yee may starve!
Steve@communick.news 3 weeks ago
Not realy. That’s capitalism being managed by neoliberal economic philosophy.
It really has more in common with feudalism, than capitalism. Capitalism by definition requires fair transparent markets, with no dominant players able to take advantage of their size.Capitalism as managed by democratic socialist philosophy (not sure if there’s an official term it) is closer to the actual definition of capitalism.
Hamartia@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
No form of universal selfishness will provide an equitable existence for all
Steve@communick.news 3 weeks ago
True. The government is supposed to manage that. It’s one of the lies of neoliberalism, that “Greed is Good”.
theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
Did you really just say “socialist capitalism.” You really have zero idea what you are talking about.
Steve@communick.news 3 weeks ago
Yes I did! Neither socialism, communism, capitalism, feudalism, or any other economic system, can yield the best result in every situation. There is no one answer for everything. No economy in the world is all one thing or another. It’s only by blending the strengths of each, using what works best where it works best, can we find greatest benefit for everyone.
So yes. A socialist minded form of capitalism, such as was built in the post depression US, is probably the best default baseline. Then in certain specific naturally monopolistic markets, a more communistic model may be needed.
myyass@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
“You see there are people who believe the function of the police is to fight crime, and that’s not true, the function of the police is social control and protection of property.”
Michael Parenti
LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
True, but that’s how every legal system protects everything.
ogy@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
No, capital has the means to enact the legal system. If, for arguments sake, we had perfect legal systems where legal representation was free, everyone would be protected equally. To be clear, I’m not proposing any particular solution, just being nitpicky in that “that’s how any legal system protects anything” isn’t correct - there clearly are possible systems that aren’t imbalanced.
LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
possible systems that aren’t imbalanced
…such as in the many countries where capitalism operates but doesn’t dominate politics like it does in the US.
diaphragmwp@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
veni_vedi_veni@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Impossible, always contrarians
chiliedogg@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I disagree.
mattyroses@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Much like liberals oppose every war but the current one, they support every rebellion against injustice . . .except the current one.
Jake_Farm@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
Those with power shit on those who have little. Might makes right.
Formfiller@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Except when they lose to Iran
ki4jgt@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
As a capitalist, I can stand behind this. Valid criticism.
If corporations are people, and all people are the same under the law…
AfricanExpansionist@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
We should have a corporate death penalty
kingkong@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
thats actually called fascism but we pretend we have capitalism if we had capitalism 2008 would have all of the banks and mortgage land lords property owners all go bankrupt but here we are still subidizing the epstein class with tax payer dollars to promote the epstein class saying its ok and not arresting them all. in fact both biden and trump pardoned the epstein class constantly depending on bribes woops i mean donations of course.
DudleyMason@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
No, this is capitalism. It’s capitalists doing the exact things Marx predicted 150 years ago that they’d do, under the exact conditions he said they’d do them under.
It’s almost like the whole thing was entirely predictable and followed a very logical sequence of events.
nanometer1625@thelemmy.club 2 weeks ago
Capitalism definitely requires property rights in order to function, but even without any government (anarchy) capitalism is the default condition, and property rights would still end up being enforced, because the rich would hire their own police force to protect themselves and their property. At least we have a government, and it has a monopoly on the use of force.
TronBronson@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Without a central government there would be no central currency and the means for exchange would be totally different. Pat of the capitalist structure we built uses the currency itself as a means of maintaining power and control. See: wealth redistribution around economic crisis.
TotalSonic@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Well, history gives us tons of examples of what happens when central currency collapses, and in full devaluations the fewer people with more immediate access to goods, collaborating associates, and weapons, are able to establish gangs, mafias, militias, or organizations that in the vast majority of cases are hierarchal in nature, eventually forming in service around a boss, often in a paradigm driven by cult of personality. Thus true anarchy is a fragile and usually short lived situation, with power vacuums soon filled with competing micro-governments, of which usually one then coallesces to take a monopoly of force over a specific region.
Seattle@thelemmy.club 2 weeks ago
That has nothing to do with capitalism.
Tiger666@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Idiot.
Seattle@thelemmy.club 2 weeks ago
I hope that you can do better than that but …maybe not?
FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I wouldn’t say capitalism itself is about that. However, it absolutely encourages behavior that ends up like that. It’s not like these systems always existed or always functioned the way they do now. They were created and corrupted over several decades.
aaa999@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
caitlyn johnstone has the typical .ml takes on russia, voting, etc and only the most standard one week old propaganda accounts and standard .ml megaposters get mad about having this pointed out
Squizzy@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
There were millions in penalties. Saying nothing happens is ridiculous, strong regulations and penalties remove these issues. As seen here.
octaviagracetrading@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
The crazy part about Al trading bots is that most people still don’t know about them. Mine has already generated 40k+ profit with lil capital in under 1 month message me HOW to get started
Hupf@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
How can a chatbot take responsibility?
Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Totally totally unintentional.
iamthetot@piefed.ca 3 weeks ago
Pinky promise bro.