I’m 14 and this is deep bullshit. There are different levels of processed food. Nobody is against cooking your food. Countless studies demonstrate that the less processed your food is, the healthier it is for you.
Newsflash pal
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barnaclebutt@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
Nah
adhdsergio@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
The misunderstanding, and rightly, the confusion, comes like you said from the level of processing. Cooking is considered processing - so these words have little value in reality as they mean different things for different people
Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
No there’s value to what OP said… but like I said there also has to be some kind of thought into *how *you are processing because then the varying levels of processing matter. Like you said cooking is considered processing while I gave the example of making a food oil.
*How * you cook determines the amount of processing you will have to apply. How I make a food oil will determine the amount of processing I will need to apply.
Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
I’m 33 and I think about how something is processed though it’s prudent to keep in mind that the further you think about how something is processed you will come to the realizations about the levels of processing. For example: You could make your own olive, grape and peanut oil with less processing or more depending on how you do it.
HrabiaVulpes@europe.pub 1 day ago
Okay, this is a high quality shit-post.
hansolo@lemmy.today 1 day ago
I just found it. It’s an organic shitpost.
Alberat@lemmy.world 1 day ago
because its already expired
Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
😉
myotheraccount@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Assuming the designed food contains a lot of fiber, the shit itself will also be of high quality!
Nurgus@lemmy.world 1 day ago
The sad thing is - we COULD produce processed foods designed for our health. We just choose not to. The more its processed, the more room there is for profit margin improving adjustments.
(Meanwhile we evolved to eat not-ultraprocessed food so obviously that’s best for us.)
DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
The sad thing is - we COULD produce processed foods designed for our health. We just choose not to.
Yes.
(Meanwhile we evolved to eat not-ultraprocessed food so obviously that’s best for us.)
Not how this works. Evolution cares about us procreating and spreading our genes, not living long healthy lives. Hence there being plenty animals that die after having children.
BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world 1 day ago
There’s no ‘we’ you’re free to eat whatever food you want.
wolfrasin@lemmy.today 1 day ago
Whatever food is available, not whatever one wants
Barley_Man@sopuli.xyz 2 days ago
Should be whole food and not organic. You can process organic food how much you want. You can buy organic ultra-processed pure white beet sugar if you want. Doesn’t mean it’s healthy or chemically different than regular white sugar. Organic only applies to how it’s grown, not what happens to it after leaving the field.
PapaStevesy@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Also “organic” is intentionallly misleading language that should be abandoned, if it’s not organic, it’s not food.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 2 days ago
What it means as a food label is (theoretically, at least), “not made with inorganic ingredients” i.e. certain kinds of pesticides/fertilizers or additives
Jaycifer@piefed.social 1 day ago
This is blatant misinformation. Most food labels like “free range” mean whatever the labeler wants it to mean, as long as there is some definition available on the label (or a very small printed link to a website with the definition). The organic label, as far as I can tell, is the only one with a precise definition and requirements outlined by the USDA.
For crops this means a lack of certain pesticides/chemicals used, regenerative techniques for the fields, and no GMOs. For animals it requires certain living conditions and a diet of nearly entirely organic food.
Source: I wanted to understand what food labels and “organic” food means a year or two ago and spent a few hours reading the laws provided by the USDA. Turns out they also have a basic outline of the requirements: https://www.usda.gov/about-usda/news/blog/organic-101-what-usda-organic-label-means
Nikki@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 days ago
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wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 2 days ago
Spooge@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Jesus Christ, man. It’s a joke.
Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world 2 days ago
No
zarathustrad@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Not true? In that some food is in fact not made of organic molecules?
For example:
Table Salt (NaCl)
Water (H2O)
No carbon, still food.
mechoman444@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
Norman Borlaug developed wheat that can be grown in all kinds of climates temperatures and environments on Earth. It is by definition a genetically modified organism that helped alleviate starvation for billions of people since its creation.
Many people say that the most important person in human history is Jesus Christ, but I believe it is Norman Borlaug.
ShotDonkey@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
Thank god the global South has so many white saviours
mechoman444@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
This is a textbook example of arguing in bad faith.
I said Norman Borlaug’s work helped alleviate starvation for billions of people. Somehow you turned that into “white savior,” industrial agriculture, and the absurd claim that I think pre-Green Revolution famines were “all their own fault.” I didn’t say any of those things. You invented an argument because you couldn’t address the one I actually made.
Borlaug’s contribution stands on its own. His research dramatically increased crop yields and helped prevent catastrophic famine. That isn’t a matter of opinion—it’s one of the most well-documented humanitarian achievements of the 20th century.
You’re also trying to pin every downstream consequence of industrial agriculture on one scientist, as though he personally designed decades of government policy, farming practices, and corporate incentives. That’s a ridiculous standard. By that logic, every inventor is responsible for every misuse or unintended consequence of their invention forever.
If you want to discuss the environmental tradeoffs of the Green Revolution, that’s a legitimate conversation. But that’s not what you did. Instead, you injected race into a discussion where it wasn’t relevant, built a straw man out of things I never said, and then congratulated yourself for knocking it down.
If your argument requires inventing my position before you can refute it, maybe your argument isn’t as strong as you think it is.
thisisbutaname@discuss.tchncs.de 2 days ago
Ultra-processed was designed so you can’t stop eating it.
Spooge@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Doritos fucking nailed this. However, I can’t respect a man eating Doritos in public. Imagine if you lawyer showed up to your court case munching on a bag of Doritos. I wouldn’t trust them.
PapaStevesy@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Funny, I can’t respect a person that eats their Doritos in private fear while pretending they’re above it in public. Zero trust.
VinegarChunks@lemmus.org 2 days ago
Imagine meeting your lawyer while he’s eating Doritos and then you shake hands with him
PhoenixDog@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Imagine if you lawyer showed up to your court case munching on a bag of Doritos. I wouldn’t trust them.
Jokes on you, that’s the lawyer I want.
remon@ani.social 2 days ago
Well, if you stop eating you die anyway!
thisisbutaname@discuss.tchncs.de 2 days ago
That’s just big food propaganda
AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net 1 day ago
Hyperprocessed foods are designed to sit on store shelves as long as possible, be addictive, and have just enough flavor to make you want more while at the same time being made of the cheapest possible ingredients, sometimes even including weird things like titanium dioxide.
Where do you get your fiber?
Zamboni_Driver@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
My ISP provided the fiber, they came and hooked it up and everything.
glitch1985@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Does this keep you regular? I’ve been just as constipated as when I had cable but the lower latency and symmetrical upload are worth it.
ITGuyLevi@programming.dev 1 day ago
What’s weird about titanium dioxide?
Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Too healthy
AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net 20 hours ago
Do you normally add metallic powders directly to your food?
Whelks_chance@lemmy.world 1 day ago
It helps Kimi Antonelli drive too fast.
Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Sounds like they are made with health of the consumer in the forefront.
AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net 20 hours ago
When you see a food decomposes, it’s going to do something similar in your gut. If you see that a food never seems to decompose, you can bet that’s not going to be great for your gut.
And fiber really needs to be recognized as the essential nutrient that it is.
kamen@lemmy.world 1 day ago
In all seriousness, shortening “organically grown” to “organic” is quite stupid since all food is organic, but not all food is organically grown.
vithigar@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
Now I’m wondering if anyone has ever labeled salt as organic.
wabafee@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Why can’t we have human kibbles if they have for cats and dogs. They keep selling it as the only healthy option.
Squirrelanna@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 day ago
They do it’s called cereal.
tino@lemmy.world 1 day ago
no processed food can beat the absolute genious design of the raspberry. easy to grab, clear information whether it’s ripe or not, visually appealing, tastes wonderful.
gandalf_der_12te@feddit.org 1 day ago
counterargument: raw salmon is fucking delicious.
expatriado@lemmy.world 2 days ago
my body love processed food so much that keeps it an extra day or two my guts
Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Idk man, them food scientists been up to some strange shit out at the farm and at the food processing plant for like a century now and things have gotten out of hand a little.
BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world 1 day ago
You are even more unprocessed than unprocessed food.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 1 day ago
Processed food was designed to make profit.
Marn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
You can still have ultra processed organic foods
Jankatarch@lemmy.world 2 days ago
I eat only natural lemons. /s
Triumph@fedia.io 2 days ago
My favorite is the people who rail against GMOs. Bitch, every food you eat has been genetically modified by humans. Either by selective breeding over a long period of time, or what they used to do in the early 20th century: bomb seeds with radiation and see what came out, toss the weird stuff, keep the neat stuff.
Everything is GMO. What's being done now is actually safer than before, because they actually know what they're trying to create, and are far more surgical in the process.
ZkhqrD5o@lemmy.world 2 days ago
GMOs aren’t dangerous because of the genetic manipulation. They’re dangerous because of everything around it. Now it’s possible to create vegetables that survive a centimetre of glyphosate coating. And if the farmers reuse seeds, they’re breaching copyright law. With this, plants are copyrightable, would you like all of the cancer of contemporary American IP law applied to your food?
IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf 2 days ago
this is actually such a big problem in tissue culture
no one should be able to copyright LIVING BEINGS
sangeteria@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
But then the problem is not the GMO it’s the copyright laws
BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world 2 days ago
The Epa was the only way we got them to stop with DDT.
They keep ratcheting the poison further and further up to keep weeds out. They basically carpet bombed the South with ddt to kill off something and that killed off the birds and fishes and sucked up anyone that ate it for twenty years.
Which was a lot of the South, but now hunting is a rich mans privilege down here. Wheras only rich folk ate cattle with any frequency, now it’s pretty common food.
I’ve often thought that Monsanto was the only thing wrong with GMOs.
Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 12 hours ago
The problems then aren’t GMOs but it’s the fact that someome can patent and copyright it, destroy the patent and copyright system not the GMOs
Captain_Patchy@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Exactly right. Well said.
gandalf_der_12te@feddit.org 1 day ago
does anyone know how long the copyrights on seeds holds? i.e. i think for many pharmaceuticals it’s 20 years. does this apply here too?
Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Yes
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 2 days ago
The problem is that the way GMO is used in practice is to maximize profits: get giant fruits that weigh a lot and catch eyes on the shelf, but are low in nutritional value and have shitty taste/texture.
Like huge strawberries that taste like water, or taste unripe even when they’re ripe. Or giant asparagus that’s as tough as sisal twine.
I have a theory that if you GMO to prioritize nutritional density, it’ll taste better, because the photonutrients are the stuff that taste good.
Captain_Patchy@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Is not a consideration either way (and that’s part of the problem) time and “viability” from pick to market are even more important than that and even flavor. Hence, hothouse tomatoes, the most tasteless tomato on the planet.
gandalf_der_12te@feddit.org 1 day ago
wtf are photonutrients?
Naz@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Botanist dragging a barrel of glowing green fluid across the tiles of the station floor
Security Chief: “Botanist! What the ABSOLUTE HELL are you doing with 50 liters of radium?”
Botanist: “Mutating the corn so it’s blight and drought resistant”
Chief: “???”
Botanist: “I’ve also mutated a species of hobby lemon to fill itself with sugary lemonade instead of citric acid”
Chief: “Oh, holy crap okay go right ahead”
Triumph@fedia.io 1 day ago
Pretty much. Except that there was zero plan about what was going to come out the other end. It was just "irradiate, plant, see what happens."
Prathas@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
“Hobby lemon?”
icelimit@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
I think the argument against GMO (for me) isn’t so much the yields and other benefits, but rather the potential for single blight to wipe entire crops (did to the lack of variety, despite their claims to blight resilience) and the shady stuff that gmo companies do - sterilised seeds, patent wars, etc.
Captain_Patchy@lemmy.world 1 day ago
It’s already happened to bananas. That’s why banana candy tastes NOTHING like the bananas you can buy today, it tastes like the bananas that died out from a fungus.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 days ago
okay i was all ready to devil’s advocat you but you had to say FOOD. punk.
i was about to go eat, i don’t know, a car or something to prove you wrong. I haven’t had coffee yet i haven’t thought this through
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Nautalax@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Yeah ancestral plants that became many crops look almost nothing like their descendants in many cases
The funniest I think are secondary crops like oats and rye. Our forebears weren’t even trying to grow a better version of those, those started off as just weeds that people were trying to get rid of in their wheatfields. In the course of purging them they accidentally selected for more wheat-like plants that people would be less likely to rip out until they became actual decent crops on their own, while also maintaining hardiness in areas that wheat couldn’t handle such that they spun off and became popular on their own rights.
Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Yeah the discussion has to be clear. I’m not in love with splicing genes very unrelated to the destination organism and not seeing what the long-term effects are. Also splicing genes specifically to make crops more resistant to Roundup so we can kill everything but the crop even harder and be unconcerned of the wider environmental impact the pesticide has.
gandalf_der_12te@feddit.org 1 day ago
yeah GMO has a lot of potential. i think the scepticism was mostly because it was considered a new technology, but that’s years ago.
0x0@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
…right…
Captain_Patchy@lemmy.world 1 day ago
If you can’t tell the difference between random mutation and targeted gene replacement, you DO NOT belong in this conversation.
Either educate yourself or STFU and let the adults talk