Should be whole food and not organic. You can process organic food how much you want. You can buy organic ultra-processed pure white beet sugar if you want. Doesn’t mean it’s healthy or chemically different than regular white sugar. Organic only applies to how it’s grown, not what happens to it after leaving the field.
Newsflash pal
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Barley_Man@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
PapaStevesy@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Also “organic” is intentionallly misleading language that should be abandoned, if it’s not organic, it’s not food.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
What it means as a food label is (theoretically, at least), “not made with inorganic ingredients” i.e. certain kinds of pesticides/fertilizers or additives
Jaycifer@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
This is blatant misinformation. Most food labels like “free range” mean whatever the labeler wants it to mean, as long as there is some definition available on the label (or a very small printed link to a website with the definition). The organic label, as far as I can tell, is the only one with a precise definition and requirements outlined by the USDA.
For crops this means a lack of certain pesticides/chemicals used, regenerative techniques for the fields, and no GMOs. For animals it requires certain living conditions and a diet of nearly entirely organic food.
Source: I wanted to understand what food labels and “organic” food means a year or two ago and spent a few hours reading the laws provided by the USDA. Turns out they also have a basic outline of the requirements: https://www.usda.gov/about-usda/news/blog/organic-101-what-usda-organic-label-means
Nikki@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
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wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
Spooge@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Jesus Christ, man. It’s a joke.
Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
No
zarathustrad@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Not true? In that some food is in fact not made of organic molecules?
For example:
Table Salt (NaCl)
Water (H2O)
No carbon, still food.
HrabiaVulpes@europe.pub 3 weeks ago
Okay, this is a high quality shit-post.
hansolo@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
I just found it. It’s an organic shitpost.
Alberat@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
because its already expired
myotheraccount@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Assuming the designed food contains a lot of fiber, the shit itself will also be of high quality!
Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
😉
thisisbutaname@discuss.tchncs.de 3 weeks ago
Ultra-processed was designed so you can’t stop eating it.
Spooge@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Doritos fucking nailed this. However, I can’t respect a man eating Doritos in public. Imagine if you lawyer showed up to your court case munching on a bag of Doritos. I wouldn’t trust them.
PapaStevesy@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Funny, I can’t respect a person that eats their Doritos in private fear while pretending they’re above it in public. Zero trust.
VinegarChunks@lemmus.org 3 weeks ago
Imagine meeting your lawyer while he’s eating Doritos and then you shake hands with him
PhoenixDog@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Imagine if you lawyer showed up to your court case munching on a bag of Doritos. I wouldn’t trust them.
Jokes on you, that’s the lawyer I want.
remon@ani.social 3 weeks ago
Well, if you stop eating you die anyway!
thisisbutaname@discuss.tchncs.de 3 weeks ago
That’s just big food propaganda
gandalf_der_12te@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
counterargument: raw salmon is fucking delicious.
SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
It’s flash frozen to make it edible, other wise you end up with parasites. Ergo it’s processed.
Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
I’m no bitch those parasites can’t eat me
Bluewing@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Wild salmons are flash frozen to kill parasites. But I don’t think farmed salmons require that.
icelimit@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
Inb4 raw salmon is farmed specifically for your tastebuds
Captain_Patchy@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
The parasites just add spice!
Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Particularly the worms, that’s the best part.
gandalf_der_12te@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
and raw tomatoes are cheaper than pre-cooked tomato sauce.
gandalf_der_12te@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
actually i just checked and that’s not actually true. cheapest tomato sauce here: 0.70€ / 250 ml, makes 2.80€/kg. meanwhile fresh tomatoes: 10€/kg typically.
TheHonourablePierrePoilievre@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
Not where I live
tino@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
no processed food can beat the absolute genious design of the raspberry. easy to grab, clear information whether it’s ripe or not, visually appealing, tastes wonderful.
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
-“Visually appealing”
-Is just some plant balls
hansolo@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
Pineapple has entered the chat.
“Bitch, I’m fruit on a pole! Yellow means go!”
Gahidus@lemmus.org 3 weeks ago
Better not eat too much though, or it starts digesting you back!
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 3 weeks ago
What about Cheetos?
Nurgus@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
The sad thing is - we COULD produce processed foods designed for our health. We just choose not to. The more its processed, the more room there is for profit margin improving adjustments.
(Meanwhile we evolved to eat not-ultraprocessed food so obviously that’s best for us.)
DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The sad thing is - we COULD produce processed foods designed for our health. We just choose not to.
Yes.
(Meanwhile we evolved to eat not-ultraprocessed food so obviously that’s best for us.)
Not how this works. Evolution cares about us procreating and spreading our genes, not living long healthy lives. Hence there being plenty animals that die after having children.
BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
There’s no ‘we’ you’re free to eat whatever food you want.
wolfrasin@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
Whatever food is available, not whatever one wants
expatriado@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
my body love processed food so much that keeps it an extra day or two my guts
AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net 3 weeks ago
Hyperprocessed foods are designed to sit on store shelves as long as possible, be addictive, and have just enough flavor to make you want more while at the same time being made of the cheapest possible ingredients, sometimes even including weird things like titanium dioxide.
Where do you get your fiber?
Zamboni_Driver@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
My ISP provided the fiber, they came and hooked it up and everything.
glitch1985@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Does this keep you regular? I’ve been just as constipated as when I had cable but the lower latency and symmetrical upload are worth it.
ITGuyLevi@programming.dev 3 weeks ago
What’s weird about titanium dioxide?
Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Too healthy
wabafee@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Why can’t we have human kibbles if they have for cats and dogs. They keep selling it as the only healthy option.
kamen@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
In all seriousness, shortening “organically grown” to “organic” is quite stupid since all food is organic, but not all food is organically grown.
mechoman444@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Norman Borlaug developed wheat that can be grown in all kinds of climates temperatures and environments on Earth. It is by definition a genetically modified organism that helped alleviate starvation for billions of people since its creation.
Many people say that the most important person in human history is Jesus Christ, but I believe it is Norman Borlaug.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
Processed food was designed to make profit.
barnaclebutt@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I’m 14 and this is deep bullshit. There are different levels of processed food. Nobody is against cooking your food. Countless studies demonstrate that the less processed your food is, the healthier it is for you.
Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Idk man, them food scientists been up to some strange shit out at the farm and at the food processing plant for like a century now and things have gotten out of hand a little.
Marn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
You can still have ultra processed organic foods
BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
You are even more unprocessed than unprocessed food.
Jankatarch@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I eat only natural lemons. /s
Triumph@fedia.io 3 weeks ago
My favorite is the people who rail against GMOs. Bitch, every food you eat has been genetically modified by humans. Either by selective breeding over a long period of time, or what they used to do in the early 20th century: bomb seeds with radiation and see what came out, toss the weird stuff, keep the neat stuff.
Everything is GMO. What's being done now is actually safer than before, because they actually know what they're trying to create, and are far more surgical in the process.
ZkhqrD5o@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
GMOs aren’t dangerous because of the genetic manipulation. They’re dangerous because of everything around it. Now it’s possible to create vegetables that survive a centimetre of glyphosate coating. And if the farmers reuse seeds, they’re breaching copyright law. With this, plants are copyrightable, would you like all of the cancer of contemporary American IP law applied to your food?
IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf 3 weeks ago
this is actually such a big problem in tissue culture
no one should be able to copyright LIVING BEINGS
sangeteria@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
But then the problem is not the GMO it’s the copyright laws
BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
The Epa was the only way we got them to stop with DDT.
They keep ratcheting the poison further and further up to keep weeds out. They basically carpet bombed the South with ddt to kill off something and that killed off the birds and fishes and sucked up anyone that ate it for twenty years.
Which was a lot of the South, but now hunting is a rich mans privilege down here. Wheras only rich folk ate cattle with any frequency, now it’s pretty common food.
I’ve often thought that Monsanto was the only thing wrong with GMOs.
Captain_Patchy@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Exactly right. Well said.
gandalf_der_12te@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
does anyone know how long the copyrights on seeds holds? i.e. i think for many pharmaceuticals it’s 20 years. does this apply here too?
Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Yes
Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 2 weeks ago
The problems then aren’t GMOs but it’s the fact that someome can patent and copyright it, destroy the patent and copyright system not the GMOs
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
The problem is that the way GMO is used in practice is to maximize profits: get giant fruits that weigh a lot and catch eyes on the shelf, but are low in nutritional value and have shitty taste/texture.
Like huge strawberries that taste like water, or taste unripe even when they’re ripe. Or giant asparagus that’s as tough as sisal twine.
I have a theory that if you GMO to prioritize nutritional density, it’ll taste better, because the photonutrients are the stuff that taste good.
Captain_Patchy@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Is not a consideration either way (and that’s part of the problem) time and “viability” from pick to market are even more important than that and even flavor. Hence, hothouse tomatoes, the most tasteless tomato on the planet.
gandalf_der_12te@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
wtf are photonutrients?
Naz@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Botanist dragging a barrel of glowing green fluid across the tiles of the station floor
Security Chief: “Botanist! What the ABSOLUTE HELL are you doing with 50 liters of radium?”
Botanist: “Mutating the corn so it’s blight and drought resistant”
Chief: “???”
Botanist: “I’ve also mutated a species of hobby lemon to fill itself with sugary lemonade instead of citric acid”
Chief: “Oh, holy crap okay go right ahead”
Triumph@fedia.io 3 weeks ago
Pretty much. Except that there was zero plan about what was going to come out the other end. It was just "irradiate, plant, see what happens."
Prathas@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
“Hobby lemon?”
icelimit@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
I think the argument against GMO (for me) isn’t so much the yields and other benefits, but rather the potential for single blight to wipe entire crops (did to the lack of variety, despite their claims to blight resilience) and the shady stuff that gmo companies do - sterilised seeds, patent wars, etc.
Captain_Patchy@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
It’s already happened to bananas. That’s why banana candy tastes NOTHING like the bananas you can buy today, it tastes like the bananas that died out from a fungus.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
okay i was all ready to devil’s advocat you but you had to say FOOD. punk.
i was about to go eat, i don’t know, a car or something to prove you wrong. I haven’t had coffee yet i haven’t thought this through
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Nautalax@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Yeah ancestral plants that became many crops look almost nothing like their descendants in many cases
The funniest I think are secondary crops like oats and rye. Our forebears weren’t even trying to grow a better version of those, those started off as just weeds that people were trying to get rid of in their wheatfields. In the course of purging them they accidentally selected for more wheat-like plants that people would be less likely to rip out until they became actual decent crops on their own, while also maintaining hardiness in areas that wheat couldn’t handle such that they spun off and became popular on their own rights.
Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Yeah the discussion has to be clear. I’m not in love with splicing genes very unrelated to the destination organism and not seeing what the long-term effects are. Also splicing genes specifically to make crops more resistant to Roundup so we can kill everything but the crop even harder and be unconcerned of the wider environmental impact the pesticide has.
gandalf_der_12te@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
yeah GMO has a lot of potential. i think the scepticism was mostly because it was considered a new technology, but that’s years ago.
0x0@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
…right…
Captain_Patchy@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
If you can’t tell the difference between random mutation and targeted gene replacement, you DO NOT belong in this conversation.
Either educate yourself or STFU and let the adults talk