Why should I be bigoted over skin color when I can be bigoted over culture and religion. After all I have met good folks of many ethnic and racial groups, I have yet to meet a Utah Mormon whomst I didn’t want to feed to the Joshua Trees.
Yes, yes they are
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vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I can be bigoted over culture and religion
I have yet to meet a Utah Mormon whomst I didn’t want to feed to the Joshua Trees.
I’m always thrown back to the Southpark guys when I think about lay Mormons. The whole “All About Mormons” episode (nevermind the Book of Mormon stage play) absolutely eviscerates the philosophy. But their attitude to actual religious practitioners is inevitably that they’re just nice, simple-minded people. And going after any individual Mormon for their faith is a bit like going up to Santa Claus exhibit at the mall and screaming “Fake! Fake! It’s all bullshit consumerism! Your parents are buying the presents!”
There’s definitely shit people who are Mormon (Mitt Romney being the ur-example). But then there’s shit people in every religious and philosophical niche. My cousin is married to a practicing Mormon and he’s an absolute marshmallow sweetheart. All smiles, great with kids, quick to help anyway he can. Soft spoken, non-judgemental, a shameless teatoddler who is always happy to be the designated driver. You can raz him for being a bit bland and he’ll laugh at your jokes, then maybe tease you about having had one too many coffees.
It’s the people who are easy to bully and scare and intimidate that can make for a very dangerous “Silent Majority”, because they’ll just kinda go along to get along. But they’re also fundamental to a peaceful, productive, and happy society when benevolent and visionary leaders are at the helm. If your society is all contrarian, belligerent, hard-drinking, fist-clenching, radical revolutionary/reactionary agitprop breathing soldiers of fortune, what you get is just endless fighting and misery and slaughter.
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Ya do realize I have more reason to hate Utah Mormons than just they’re different right? I specifically focus on the Utahn culture and religious practices of Mormons because I see them as an active threat to basically every western state. If I could get away with just purging BYU, LDS HQ, and the Utahn government I’d be more than happy to settle for that, I just severely doubt that would end my complaints.
If it makes it any more understandable I am far less forgiving towards Evangelical mega churches, which all I can think is that there are only viable targets for such groups.
drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Tyler Robinson is alright
starman2112@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Erika Kirk agrees
Tattorack@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
Yes. Yes, racists are retarded. There is no logical reason to harbour discrimination towards any ethnic group or rage of Humans. Therefore, those who do aren’t logical or rational individuals.
mkwt@lemmy.world 2 days ago
“You don’t understand; my house ****** is one of the good ones.”
DarkCloud@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Better than being “sold down the river”. Very few people stand up and fight for the good, the true, and the just.
whotookkarl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 days ago
Bigotry isn’t a reasonable position, so it’s pretty expected to find contradictions and brain dead takes from bigots
VelvetPinkOtter123@lemmy.world 2 days ago
I’m not a historian but I believe the sad truth is that they saw them like animals; capable of being trained to do jobs but not smart enough to understand more complex issues or choose the tasks themselves
Like a dog. You can train your dog to guard your house or hunt birds but you probably don’t trust your dog to vote
It’s fucked up
Lumisal@lemmy.world 2 days ago
I’ve seen how people vote. I’d take the chances with the dogs.
Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world 1 day ago
One Sunday morning I walked out into my ex’s open garage and sitting in there was a stray dog. Her neck fur had a mark as though someone recently pulled off her collar and dumped her on the back road. I calmly approached the dog and turns out she was the sweetest doggo and instantly got along with my ex’s other 2 dogs. She rarely barked and would always just walk up to some, sit and wait to get petted. Even the ex’s dad who doesn’t like dogs eventually warmed up to her because of how sweet she was.
Weeks later we took her to an event downtown on an unseasonably hot fall afternoon beer fest. That dog wanted nothing more than to just get pet by as many people as possible. Sitting outside a brewery was a worker sitting in a chair almost drenched in sweat looking like he hated life. She walked up to him, sat down and looked at him, and he instantly smiled.
Working one of the beer tents was an interim director of HR who was one of the most miserable shit-birds I ever had the displeasure to work with. Did nothing but complain about everything and everyone, blindly blamed everyone for things she simply didn’t understand, I even nearly got written up because this lady didn’t take the time to read my explanation about an error report when new employees are loaded into a benefits system. Even the dog wanted nothing to do with that miserable fuck.
I’ll trust the dogs to be a better judge of character than half the mouthbreathers who vote at the polls.
FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world 1 day ago
And yet you keep defending Elmo’s nazi salute…
What is actually rattling around inside that head of yours?
VelvetPinkOtter123@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Because I don’t care if a I like someone or not, I’m not going to lie about what actually happened
whereitsat@lemmy.zip 2 days ago
they are though.
anyone who grew up in the american suburbs grew up with parents who couldn’t cook a proper meal despite the existence of cookbooks and were like ‘how about kraft dinner.’
you think you eat kraft macaroni and cheese at a hood bbq?
i’d rather have had a black woman cooking for me lol. are you fucking serious?
calebwill@lemmy.zip 20 hours ago
Racism sucks, but so does using the ableist r-slur.
voodooattack@lemmy.world 1 day ago
A racist is what happens when someone runs out of neural plasticity due to conditioning from a young age. They aren’t interested in your opinion because their brains have no space left for anything but bigotry. That means a condition where new synaptic connections between neurons can no longer form due to preexisting crystallised connections occupying the same volume. They literally can’t change their mind without tearing something down first.
There is a literal forbidden metabolic cost to changing how they think, and since bigotry is embedded as a core value, taking that out is impossible without tearing them down and building them back up from a ground state.
You’ll find echoes of this same phenomenon in all walks of life. Religious fundamentalists/zealots/extremists of any religion exhibit this, and also “militant” atheists. It also applies to ideology. Communist vs Capitalist vs Socialist. We’re all blends of beliefs that want to be known.
I’m going to be downvoted hard for this, but you’ll know the type.
Note if you’re wondering: I am Muslim and I practice my faith. So long it harms and obstructs no one, practicing and taking pride in your faith (or lackthereof) is a healthy expression of freedom, my views are my own opinions and I welcome dialogue in place of a meaningless downvote.
TheSambassador@lemmy.world 1 day ago
This kinda has bro science vibes. We don’t have nearly enough of an understanding of the brain to make statements like this.
phx@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I kinda feel it does make sense, though perhaps not so strongly as the parent indicated. Young brains are more malleable - that’s pretty much a known thing - and learning at a young age sets in high knowledge and patterns of learning that follow us through adulthood.
If one learns a certain thing from a young age and it’s pretty much been driven in multiple ways - indoctrination whether intentional or otherwise - that’s a lot of stuff that’s been set pretty hard. Even it somebody is actively aware it’s bad it can be hard to adjust one’s inclination towards a certain way of thinking.
I’m not trying to make excuses for racism - because frankly a lot of those people don’t even try to adjust their thinking - but breaking free from one’s upbringing is not a small hurdle and I’d put it in similar terms to breaking a bad addiction.
Tetragrade@leminal.space 1 day ago
Its chill, I asked God and he said it’s correct.
voodooattack@lemmy.world 1 day ago
You’re right, sorry for not providing citations in my original comment. I’m a dilettante with cross-domain interests so my enthusiasm sometimes beats my scientific rigor to the finish line.
I’ve asked Kagi to compile a report and here is what it has found:
Report on the Neurobiology of Ideological Rigidity and Belief Persistence
The observations shared previously regarding “crystallized” beliefs and neural rigidity align with several established frameworks in neuroscience, psychology, and computational modeling. While the original comment used metaphorical language, it maps closely to these peer-reviewed concepts:
1. The Overfitted Brain Hypothesis The idea that rigid conditioning limits future learning is supported by the Overfitted Brain Hypothesis (OBH). In machine learning, “overfitting” occurs when a model becomes so tuned to its training data that it loses the ability to generalize. Neuroscientist Erik Hoel proposes that the human brain faces the same risk: if our input is too narrow or repetitive (from a young age), the brain risks “overfitting” to that bias, leading to cognitive rigidity. Dreams, in this model, serve as a necessary “regularization” mechanism to inject noise and prevent this crystallization.
2. Cognitive Rigidity and Ideological Extremity Research into the “ideological brain” confirms that cognitive rigidity is a structural trait linked to extremism across the spectrum—whether religious, political, or secular. Studies demonstrate that individuals with higher levels of dogmatism and ideological extremism consistently show lower cognitive flexibility, regardless of the specific belief system held. This reinforces the notion that the computational structure of a rigid belief system is more important than the content of the belief itself.
3. Synaptic Consolidation and Reconsolidation The “crystallization” of belief has a biological basis in synaptic consolidation, where frequently used pathways become structurally reinforced. To change these beliefs requires memory reconsolidation—a process where an established memory is brought back into a labile (malleable) state. This process is metabolically and cognitively demanding because it requires the brain to override long-standing neural “ground truths,” explaining the profound resistance individuals show when their core identity-protective beliefs are challenged.
4. Identity-Protective Cognition When beliefs are tied to core identity, the brain treats challenges to those beliefs as physical threats. This is known as identity-protective cognition, where the brain effectively ignores contradictory evidence to maintain the stability of the current mental model. This explains why debate is often ineffective against deeply held dogmas; the brain is not failing to process information, it is actively filtering it to maintain structural integrity.
Summary: While the original post employed lay-terms (e.g., “forbidden metabolic cost”), these align with the scientific consensus on how brains optimize for stability at the expense of flexibility. The framing of rigid, prejudice-prone thought as an “overfitted” neural state is a recognized, albeit high-level, computational interpretation of how ideology manifests in the brain.
FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I’m not downvoting you because of your religion, as much as I hold it in contempt
I’m downvoting you for spouting shit you made up like it’s a fact, and for using a lot of scientific terms to say absolutely nothing of value
You’re nowhere near as clever as you think you are
Which is evident already by the fact that you are religious.
Don’t breed.
voodooattack@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I’m not downvoting you because of your religion, as much as I hold it in contempt
Okay
I’m downvoting you for spouting shit you made up like it’s a fact, and for using a lot of scientific terms to say absolutely nothing of value
Here is your value, so go test my claims.
You’re nowhere near as clever as you think you are
Not as near as clever as I want to be for sure
Which is evident already by the fact that you are religious. Don’t breed. So many words just to end up back where you started.
LodeMike@lemmy.today 1 day ago
Let’s solve racism by drugging entire cities with LSD!! (Not sarcastic)
Jax@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
I don’t think LSD has the capacity to change someone that doesn’t already want to change.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world 1 day ago
czer0_@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Yes
P1k1e@lemmy.world 2 days ago
What a silly question, of course they are
SarahValentine@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 days ago
[deleted]Dojan@pawb.social 2 days ago
It is a post from 4chan so unfortunately that kind of language is to be expected. I’m hoping people here don’t use i, or wish to normalise it.
Radical_Socialist_t00t@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
4chan is a disgusting community filled with … well rightwing filth
JigglySackles@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Always have been.
deepvertic@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I don’t disagree with the sentiment, however this is a strawman argument. I don’t see intelligence inversely correlated with racism either.
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I don’t see intelligence inversely correlated with racism either.
I do. Racism is in direct conflict with Empathy and Empathy can be biologically explained by Mirror Neurons, which influences how learning works. At least the Learning by Example type of education.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I don’t see intelligence inversely correlated with racism either.
Increasingly byzantine rationalizations for why you’re an asshole used to be the centerpiece of conservative intellectualism. You could get a PhD in racism if you worked hard enough. The SCOTUS and the appellate courts are packed with people who can tie an argument in knots to justify some new level of human misery.
daannii@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
It’s a product of lazy thinking.
Instead of evaluating people on an individual basis it’s categorizing them based on some physical trait. That has nothing to do with their behavior or personality.
This is why bigotry is the game of the lazy thinkers.
Lazy thinkers are not intelligent because to foster intelligence one must delve into things. Consider things. Contemplate how things work.
Not just accept crude rules because it’s easy.
This trait is called. Need for cognition. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Need_for_cognition
It’s highly correlated with intelligence.
porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
It’s obviously not a strict one-to-one relationship but I do think more intelligent people are on average slightly less racist.
Donkter@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I think the issue is we don’t really have a measurement for intelligence. Qualitatively, I think you are more intelligent if you have the reasoning capabilities to logic yourself out of reactionary feelings like racism, but it’s really hard to measure that.
deepvertic@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I don’t think such moral questions are at all influenced by intelligence, personally. Is there any data on this? I imagine it must be very hard since biological differences exists and it all kinda boils down to value judgments, which cannot be derived directly from scientific research alone. I realize while arguing this that is is an extremely sensitive and hairy subject to even argue around. I appreciate you entertaining this 😄😄
cecinestpasunecommunication@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
Oh, you’ve never been outside?
BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world 1 day ago
OP should watch Django
DarkCloud@lemmy.world 2 days ago
We all buy things from Capitalist companies? Are we stupid?
We ignore incongruent views and opinions in order to get what we want. Not retarded, more opportunistic, and selectively ignorant.
I eat meat, it’s killing the planet. Now and then I’ll get ChatGPT to summarize something. It’s killing the planet. I buy some 3M products, and drive a petrol based vehicle…
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 2 days ago
We all buy things from Capitalist companies? Are we stupid?
We have no choice. Pretty sure keeping slaves was a choice.
eat meat, it’s killing the planet
Yes, that’s stupid. You’re stupid. You have options.
Khanzarate@lemmy.world 2 days ago
I mean, financially it wasn’t really a choice. Cotton wasn’t profitable without slavery. Inherit a cotton farm from your racist parents and capitalism would ensure the racism kept flowing.
That’s why we had to force the issue in the first place, the south needed the institution of slavery, and wasn’t just fighting to defend slavery because they thought it was neat, it was because they needed it.
No excuses, but when immoral behavior is profitable behavior, yes, people can get dependent.
HarneyToker@lemmy.world 2 days ago
In this context, he makes a great argument.
baltakatei@sopuli.xyz 2 days ago
sbv@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
Not at all. Dude upthread isn’t arguing for the status quo, they’re pointing out that it isn’t just slavers that have that mindset. It’s worth reevaluating our own behaviour for inconsistencies.
sbv@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
It’s sad that you’re getting downvotes.
People want to fit into their society and enjoy the comforts available to their peers. As you say, that’s as true of slavers as it is of the rest of us who: drive (but care about our kids), eat animal products (but care about animal welfare), etc.
We need to realize that shit-ass societies that committed atrocities were full of people just like us. If we were in a similar situation, very few of us would have done better.
EmilieEasie@fedinsfw.app 2 days ago
Yes, and also, I don’t think they liked their children that much
Tja@programming.dev 2 days ago
Yes, yes they are.
But that is a shit argument. I’m smarter than a dog, but I trust the dog guarding a property. Trust has nothing to do with intelligence.
Admetus@sopuli.xyz 2 days ago
But can a dog organise your house, cook your food, educate your children and breastfeed your babies?
Zachariah@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Kaligalis@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Do you have a dog that provably can do all those things just fine and is really obedient? From their point of view, those fascists had dogs which had human abilities, had the intelligence of a human, and were even more obedient than the four-legged dogs. People absolutely will have their robomaid double as a nanny. And the robomaid will also help the kids do their homework while refusing to just give them the solutions. Humans in general really love to not have to do stuff themselves.
FatVegan@leminal.space 2 days ago
That’s where the horse comes into play
DagwoodIII@piefed.social 2 days ago
Read “The Autobiography of Malcolm X”
Plenty of Black people were ready to accept the situation.
Calling someone ‘African’ used to be a huge insult.
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 2 days ago
without a doubt
HrabiaVulpes@europe.pub 2 days ago
There is no ideology that cannot be ridiculed, no ideology where you cannot find retarded logic. And people who notice those problems in their own ideology usually just double down, get radical, angry and defensive.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
Nice try, but your own idea being ridiculous doesn’t imply that they all are.
Wander@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
There are plenty of idiots that can raise kids.
I don’t think that’s the bar.
Smaile@lemmy.ca 2 days ago
Based 4chan
Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
There are a few forms or levels of racism. There are people who really believe the narrative, some who question some of it, and others who are aware it’s bullshit but accept it because it benefits them or going against the narrative could be harmful for themselves. In short humans will craft whatever story they need to justify behavior they want without any concerns for logical consistency. You can see this behavior in racism now and of course many other locations in society.
Funny enough Benjamin Franklin has a short story on this. He as a vegetarian was lamenting his compatriots catching, killing, and cooking fish, listing all the reasons it’s immoral until he begins to smell the delicious fish and then starts writing about how maybe it’s not so bad, is fine, is even his god given right to eat the fish. The moral being humans can and will justify whatever they want to do. Also I’m aware of his own connection to slavery and inhumane practices.
ynthrepic@lemmy.world 2 days ago
And so the billionaires win again as we fight to justify not being assholes to one another.
Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
Those in power want to maintain power which is much easier if the people are divided, particularly on subjects not involving the people in power.
thermal_shock@lemmy.world 2 days ago
They didn’t become billionaires by not being ass holes
AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Have you ever seen the movie Se7en with Brad Pitt and Morgan Freeman? I don’t know a single person who wouldn’t do what Brad Pitt did at the end of that movie. Not a single person. And I wouldn’t blame them either.
Just the other day someone posted on here that their uncle died from covid after getting sucked into the alt-right pseudo-medicine rabbit hole. And the comments were all just vile shit like “I’m glad your dumbass uncle died” and “1 down only like 20 million to go”, “good riddance he deserved it” etc. And when I point out shit talking this guy for losing someone he loved is fucked up I get downvoted lol. We can’t even come together online, let alone in person.
Whoever is running things know that we simply cannot get along, we cannot forgive each other, we cannot unite. It’s their greatest tool honestly. Could you forgive maga?
SarahValentine@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 days ago
Forester@pawb.social 2 days ago
If I remember correctly, mind you it’s been over two decades probably but the defining point at which he decides it’s okay to eat the fish is when he notices that the fish had been eating other fish when they fillayed it
Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
Lol it’s probably been about as long for me since I read it. That sounds about right.
nialv7@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Uhhh I don’t know what I should do with this information.
Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
It’s just generally beneficial to be aware. Besides that, if you are interacting with someone who is bigoted in some way it’s useful to determine which type they are. If they are just sold to the narrative then it’s easier to open up their mind. If they are aware it’s bullshit that just benefits them then it’s pretty difficult.
Saryn@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Damn, sorry to hear that. Hope you get better soon!