Everyone deserves to be treated exactly the way they treat others.
So be racist to racists. Exploit the rich. And kill all Nazis.
Finally an explanation
Submitted 2 weeks ago by Godric@lemmy.world to [deleted]
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Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
exasperation@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread.
A system of fair rules does not always lead to fair outcomes, if the rules don’t accommodate the asymmetry in capacity, motivation, resources, etc.
grepe@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
also, you cannot be tolerant to intolerant people. any system of beliefs like that is doomed. this is what is happening now.
wpb@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Blatant flaw in this: I don’t want to murder anyone. I don’t want to rape anyone. I don’t want to be racist to anyone (though I acknowledge I am). And the moment I would do something like that to anyone, I would be a murderer or a rapist, and that’s a shitty thing to be. So no thanks.
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
It’s just an endless line of good intentioned rapists.
NekoKoneko@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yeah, also, I’d like my moral reasoning to have evolved past Hammurabi.
ghen@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.
jamesrandysghost@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Tolerance paradox in action!
BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
I remember being told it makes more sense when you realize it’s a part of the social contract. Breaching it prevents you from taking part in it.
Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
The tolerance paradox does not exist. See BeardedSquidwards comment.
Folstar@lemmus.org 2 weeks ago
“An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.” -Gandhi
Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
So should we just tolerate the intolerant? Cause that’s going to end well. We’d still have half a planet with stabbed eyes while they go scot free.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
It’s a nice quote but doesn’t really make sense. The eye for the second eye is the first eye, there’s only two eyes involved, not a nonsensical endless chain of eyes. This concept of justice predates the quote.
TheStaffmaster@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
There’s a line in The Republic that states something to the effect of “You cannot persuade someone who doesn’t want to listen” at that point firing their own venom back at them is justified.
blarghly@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Edgy 14 year old logic
Saapas@piefed.zip 2 weeks ago
I mean, what if the Bad People are N
mech@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
Unpopular opinion:
Universal human rights apply to all humans, including Nazis.
Dehumanizing people and denying them their human rights is what Nazis do.echodot@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
Nazis do have human rights. Including the right to be punished for their actions. Just like everyone else.
But if the governments don’t punish them for their actions then don’t be surprised if people take matters into their own hands. Which again, what happened to any group of people that were perceived as having too much power and being given too much leeway by the government, regardless of political beliefs.
desra@lemmy.vg 2 weeks ago
I’ll agree this should be an unpopular opinion. When they deny the rights of others, they forfeit their own.
Society is generally based on social contracts regarding human decency, respect and what apparently are more extreme ideas like compassion and empathy. It’s an agreement to be a part of a community, not to exploit it for selfish gain. If they want to do that, at the very least they should be exiled and allowed only care about themselves by themselves.
We need to stop tolerating intolerance. If you’re harmful to our species letalone our planet that we share with so many others, part present and future, ostracize or eradicate. This high road shit has gotten use nowhere in the entirety of our planets history but right here where monsters are allowed and encouraged to reign.
I’ll also agree to step up to the chopping block if it means I take some of these assholes to hell hand in hand with me.
HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
“Universal” human rights can be forfeited by the individual by attempting to restrict another’s rights.
Done and done.
mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Lets debate the SS in the marketplace of ideas…
s@piefed.world 2 weeks ago
Trolley problem — save the human rights of billions by sacrificing the human rights of the few who want to tie all of these people to the trolley tracks
TheparishofChigwell@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
It is sad for us to have to go through such trauma but violently murdering fascists is not dehumanizing. We are honouring them by believing the true extent of their evil, respecting their decision by reacting truthful to reality. It’s inhumane to let such sick individuals believe they might be right, when they believe in power being absolute. Natural order is what they want, why deny them?
Saapas@piefed.zip 2 weeks ago
Doesn’t seem like a very unpopular opinion tbh
ButteredBread@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Not that I don’t agree but if I was a nazi i would prefer to die anyways. Even if I didn’t get killed my cellmates would probs kill me unless im isolated which is… even worse. Besides if I ever realized how messed up that was i would probs kill myself but idk how likely that is.
gurty@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
“Everyone I don’t agree with is a nazi therefore I am justified”
Saapas@piefed.zip 2 weeks ago
That’s the flipside, but also, some people are Nazis
Gold_E_Lox@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
this is a poorly cropped repost from tumblr, there is no critical thinking here.
bizarroland@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Which is funny because if people listened to what you said and followed your instructions, then there literally would be no critical thinking here. Whereas if you choose to utilize critical thinking, you would not actually dismiss this thing entirely simply because it came from Tumblr because that is a logical fallacy called poisoning the well.
And if all it took to stop critical thinking for anybody was just saying, oh it comes from a bad place, then nobody would ever really do any critical thinking, right?
So let’s ignore where it comes from and talk about the topic that’s actually being presented, ok?
stickyprimer@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
What definition of “Nazi” are we working with here? I assume it’s a set of beliefs and not Germany’s Nazi party from WW2. So what are these beliefs? Genuine question.
echodot@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
Quite a severe lack of intellectual rigour is going on there. If nothing happens to bad people then they’ll keep being bad people. The difference between the bad people and the good people is that the bad people do bad things because they like it. Good people do bad things to stop bad people from being bad people and doing bad things.
If you like the bad people do bad things because you’re a good person and as a good person you don’t do bad things then the bad things may as well be done by the good people. It’s all the same.
nodiratime@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Light went after people in the prison system or suspected of being criminals, without ever doubting the justness of the system in any way. He is useful idiot, delusional agent of the system or megalomaniacal bootlicker. Choose your pick.
Folstar@lemmus.org 2 weeks ago
Also, just a plain old idiot. Imagine having the magical power to kill anyone undetected and you’re like “hooray, I can go after local crooks!”. Had Light ever seen a newspaper? Did he know the world outside his city existed? If you aren’t starting with and primarily focusing on people globally known are you even trying?
ThunderQueen@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I mean, wasnt he being led by a literal trickster demon…?
Senal@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
The problem with most things that use good and bad as a foundation is that they never account for perspective.
Good and bad are made up and subjective.
If you don’t account for that in your positions then you’re setting yourself up for fundamentalism.
echodot@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
Absolutely I am merely responding with the same level of intellectualism as the original comment.
If we can’t even get as far as sometimes violence is necessary bey absolutism is a useless philosophy, then there’s no point getting into nuance.
rarWars@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Ok, but you do realize you can punish someone without killing, right? It doesn’t have to be all or nothing. Bad people can be prevented from doing more bad things without any blood being shed.
kbobabob@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
That’s why America has so many “good guys with guns”.
stickyprimer@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This is intellectual rigor?
core@leminal.space 2 weeks ago
What is good or bad? Whats bad on one side is good on the other. Both sides are good with the other side bad, from their point of view. With no objective good or bad, neither is, and morality means nothing so you can do anything with a clear conscience.
D_C@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I’ll allow you to call me bad if I’m also allowed to drop billionaires, the trillionaire, selected world leaders, and most of the Epstein class in to a woodchipper. It only seems fair.
HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
What is more important: considering yourself a good person, or materially benefiting the world?
I’ll take option 2, thanks. Woodchippers! GET YOUR WOODCHIPPERS HERE!!
AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
I mean, I know we should not generalize, but the Epstein class are bad people who deserve to be murdered in awful suffering.
It’s rare to see someone wno is evil without a doubt, but anyone from the Epstein class is one.
FishFace@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Who are “the Epstein class”? Just Epstein and Ghislaine? Just the rapists? Everyone in the files?
Seems like, whatever the punishment, you still need a process to determine guilt according to the evidence, rather than trial by public opinion.
baltakatei@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
People that treat people as things deserve the same courtesy.
Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Lemmy in a nutshell
tobebannedbygaymods@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
actually , mostly facebook
Wataba@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Guilt tripping is a tactic often used by the abuser to control the abusued.
IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf 2 weeks ago
I think we should defend ourselves against the bourgeouise 🙋
The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I see lots of comments arguing about whether bad things should happen to bad people and missing the point that it’s criticizing the convenient, self-serving rationalization of doing bad things to [out-group enemy] going on.
lemmy_outta_here@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yarrr, it be a good shitpost. Stupid, provocative …
blindbunny@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
I feel this way about cops, land lords and billionaires. Tbf tho if those didn’t exist the world would be a much better place.
TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
.ml in a nutshell.
uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was to convince us he exists.
IzzyJ@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This unironically
DrSteveBrule@mander.xyz 2 weeks ago
Been a while since I watched Death Note, but did Light brutally murder people? I thought it was mostly heart attacks, which was the default way for someone to die unless otherwise specified.
Zacryon@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
State of many discussions about Gaza, Israel, Ukraine and Russia here on Lemmy.
Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org 2 weeks ago
Kira vs. Columbo is a great skit.
TheStaffmaster@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
right, but they have been proven to be demonstrably evil. Or are we now sympathetic to cancer? If they want to be treated like people they should start acting like it. Just because one is a pacifist, does not mean they shouldn’t defend themself
isekaihero@ani.social 2 weeks ago
Everyone who doesn’t support [insert group name here] or [insert cause here] is a NAZI
Bluedragon012@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Oh for me, the literal nazis, child rapists, and Inmorally rich “leaders” are like dogs with rabies, a disease. There is no changing them. It is imparative that we stop them before they hurt more. If we can put down ol’ yeller, we can kill this evil.
blarghly@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
90% of this thread: “nuh uh! I’m a good person and should be allowed to kill all those evil, bad cops and billionaire and nazis”
Also 90% of this thread: would piss their pants if given a gun and told to shoot another human being, no matter how evil they knew they were.
BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
I am a good person and I will do what it takes to protect marginalized people from oppression and erasure. The morale high ground doesn’t matter when they want to kill millions.
cally@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Light Yagami would say that
thethrilloftime69@feddit.online 2 weeks ago
We are all just apparati of systems. The system is bad, but some people stand in the way of ending the system.
Natanael@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
Good and bad are defined both by actions and by their justifications. Not entirely by either alone. Somebody who accidentally does bad continously because they’re incompetent or not putting enough effort in still needs to be stopped. Somebody who accidentally does good can still be dangerous to you.
trslim@pawb.social 2 weeks ago
Shadiversity and his awful awful book in a nutshell.
whotookkarl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Quality shit post, dung beetle certified
Phantaloons@piefed.zip 2 weeks ago
Yeah, but… Kirk tho.
finallymadeanaccount@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yes, thank you Elon, we’ve heard it all before.
makeshift0546@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Fuck this noise. Milk Nazis and fascists.
Agent641@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
“So MuCh FoR tHe ToLeRaNt LeFt!!”
Pictured: Antifa social group, North Africa club, 1943
Techranger@infosec.pub 2 weeks ago
Those Nazis really get my goat!
Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
And if they don’t like this, there’s always the super easily, highly convenient solution of NOT BEING A NAZI.
Folstar@lemmus.org 2 weeks ago
Exactly. A person can want every nazi dead and hope that nobody has to die while being completely logically and morally covered.
YoureHotCupCake@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
But that’s not fair my skin is white and that means I’m important because insert fascist leader said so.
uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
It can be super difficult when your only opportunity for survival is to become one of Immortan Joe’s war boys, and are trained that your only path to redemption is to be a hero, to be witnessed as you sacrifice yourself in battle.
Bytemeister@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
So much for the tolerant left…
Motherfuckers, you labeled me as tolerant because I don’t hate people for immutable characteristics they were born with. That doesn’t mean I’m tolerant of nazis maga traitors.
jamesrandysghost@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Tolerance paradox is the only way forward. They deserve no quarter.
plyth@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
So why shoot Nazis if that is mutable and we can help them to change?
Rooskie91@discuss.online 2 weeks ago
Hey now! Just look at history and you’ll see how often non-violence works! Like for instance checks notes …uh oh frantically flipping through notes guys, oh no!
TheparishofChigwell@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Hooray
Let’s all have barbecue afterwards because these fucks don’t get to put a stain on our day
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Barbeque the Naizis ALIIIVE!
Zwiebel@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
Reign of Terror ass motherfucker
makeshift0546@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
#2 electric boogaloo
Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
Nah, they should be treated the way they treat others.
Nazis are the only group that deserve to be gassed.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
But we must always focus on our goal of minimizing suffering. The path to evil comes when we focus more on us vs them and hurting the enemy than we are on building a better world. Fetishization of violence is a dangerous path.
I lament that I believe that violence and public executions are necessary, but I do. But I also don’t believe it’s sufficient. We must also build a better world.
gandalf_der_12te@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
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DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
A trial with due process is key. But, they’d need to be kicked out of power, first. Somehow. Because Nazis won’t convict Nazis, obviously.
I’m not looking forward to what happens if they steal the mid-terms.
Passerby6497@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I for one can’t wait to see who the modern John C Woods will be