Submitted 3 weeks ago by beep@piefed.world to [deleted]
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"Sam Altman you will answer to Allah for the crimes you've committed"
cross-posted from: https://piefed.world/c/shit/p/1213362/sam-altman-you-will-answer-to-allah-for-the-crimes-you-ve-committed
That’s not the lmao part
In performance, it’s just a mid-tier 6600XT-6700 equivalent.
Even a 6600XT is so overkill I have a RX 580 with a DDR3-era processor, and most games run at over 60 FPS, hell Elite Dangerous run fine at 80-85 FPS
I really struggle to understand why that much compute is needed for gaming It just comes as wasteful for me
I blame the competitive gamers that barely understand what theyre doing. I seen guys complaining about their frame rates dropping below 120 on a 2k display.
Maybe, something higher than 120 provides an advantage to players with extreme reactive skills in the most intense close quarter first-person combat, but there otherwise wouldnt be a reason to sustain anything above 120. I dont think there are any monitors that refresh above 120.
Imagine bottlenecking 200+ frames a second, at 2k resolution, through a 60 hertz monitor. What a waste of gpu.
Even a 6600XT is so overkill
I game on a 1440p ultrawide monitor at my desk, and a 4k TV (though I don’t actually game at 4k). I upgraded from a 6700XT to a RX 9070 after Expedition 33 ran like shit and couldn’t run constant 60 fps on high settings even when dropped to 1080p with FSR. A 6600XT is hardly overkill.
Try something AAA made in this decade, on a monitor made in this decade. Valve also isn’t marketing this as a retro console.
They said 60fps at 4k.
They lied.
A 6600XT is overkill now? It’s this just valve fanboy copium or something? It’s 5 year old mid tier card
79 dollars for a controller?
Is that expensive? I can’t even tell anymore.
Xbox Elite series 2 controllers are $200, Switch 2 joycons are $100 for a pair, a base PS5 controller is $60-75, 3rd party wired controllers are like $20-30.
$80 for a controller is about average.
Considering the competition starts at $60 and doesn’t have touchpads, back buttons or a dedicated wireless receiver, I’d say it’s pretty reasonable.
Depends on what you compare it to I’d say. From reviews the quality is really high, and if you would use them a lot the trackpads might already be worth it compared to conventional controllers. But if you just want a standard controller, a PS5 controller has pretty much all other features and also has a very good build quality. (xbox controllers don’t have gyro which is stupid in this day and age) and also brands like 8bitdo have caught up a ton in terms of build quality and features and offer great cheaper options. So imo it really comes down to the trackpads and perfect steam integration.
Regsrdless, I still have ps2 controllers that i can use for everynon-keyboard game on my steam
yea very, its about 1049 512Gb, and 300 more for the 2tb one.
How much do you think a controller with similar capabilities should cost?
Yeah good point, i’ve just double checked their capabilities (steam store link)
No, 69 euros got a controller.
Ah in OP’s original post they linked a dollar version of the image so i was looking at that when inkade the comment
Microslop though
Getting the etsy witches to put a hit out on Sam Altman
sam altman is just a useful puppet from the self-proclaimed anti-christ.
I mean, if a fatwa halves the price, I’m happy to issue two!
Get me a piece of paper and a pencil. We can play hangman or X’s and O’s, and not have to shell out hugely gross amounts of our hard earned cash. Everyone should start carrying a paperback novel and a deck of cards in their back pocket again. How about now tech bros? Can you cheat us now? Soon you will not be able to afford all of that hair product you use.
“There is a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can’t take part; you can’t even passively take part, and you’ve got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you’ve got to make it stop. And you’ve got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you’re free, the machine will be prevented from working at all!” — Mario Savio, 1964
I love how it’s more expensive in Europe
How much more once you add tax? EU prices have tax factored in already.
So it costs $1050 which converts to 922€, so about 100€ more expensive.
I wanna know what’s happening with all those finished wafers they bought.
If they aren’t being made into memory modules I think someone should go to jail.
Inshallha
16gb ram? What is this the 2000’s.
I switched my 32 GB desktop from Windows to Linux and, honestly, 32 GB is probably a waste for most users. I’m using 7/32 GB’s and I’m actively:
I just launched Steam and RAM went up to 8 GB’s, which is a fraction of what Windows uses while doing nothing. I can only see myself needing the extra overhead when running VM’s which I don’t see a lot of people wanting to do on a device aimed at gaming.
This is similar to what I’ve experienced too but don’t be surprised if someone tells you that it’s impossible for windows to use less ram than Linux. There’s one of those people in every thread.
It’s cool and all when we are talking about native apps, but in modern day and age most of the work tools for remote work is usually in the browser. And in browser if page takes 1gb of ram on windows, it will take same 1gb of ram on linux. It just how it is.
On top of that, things like discord (unofficial clients banned, mind you), Spotify, vscode, etc. all use electron, which means just another browser.
❯ free -h
total used free shared buff/cache available
Mem: 62Gi 24Gi 4.6Gi 5.8Gi 37Gi 37Gi
Swap: 8.0Gi 530Mi 7.5Gi
no thx
16 GB is perfectly usable even for heavy games, it’s still more than what the PS5 has (which is 16GB but shared with the GPU)
The PS5 is about to be a last gen console. I would absolutely not buy a new PC without 32GB of RAM. But gamers have to defend literally everything gabe does no matter what.
I graduated highschool in 2004, so I’d say roughly around 2002 I was marveling at the massive 1GB hard drive my friend got lol
I think 16GB of ram would have blown our minds.
I bought a 16Gb laptop in 2012, which is out of the noughties, but still 14 fucking years ago.
14 years before that I had 32Mb; a 500* multiplier.
Huh, I got a PC in 1997 with a 2GB hard drive. It didn’t take long (a year or so) for that to start feeling small compared to others my friend had. He got an 8 GB HD in probably 1998 and a 20 GB shortly after. It was ram I remember being so small. That PC I mentioned from 97 had 24 MB RAM which was good in 1997. It took a couple of years for anyone I knew to exceed 64 MB.
More than 4GB of RAM isn’t even addressable with a 32-bit OS like we had back then.
When I was a in high school Staples ran a deal for a 64GB flashdrive for $32 (1/2 off). My mom and I each bought 1 and it was such a steal! I felt like the coolest nerd at school with so much capacity! I considered trying to install UT2004 on it to play at school (I never did but knew nothing about computers and thought it’d work at that age).
Gonna guess you mean USB drive, and not HDD.
In 2004, 256 and 512 GB HDDs were pretty standard, and if you had some extra budget to throw at a PC, you could get a 1TB.
My budget laptop in 2004 had a 256GB HDD, 256MB RAM (quickly upgraded to 768MB) and like a 1ghz dual core processor.
I remember having a 512MB usb stick and thinking that I would never have to delete anything off it, because I would never have enough word docs or projects at school to fill it up all the way.
I mean we are in the 2000’s
Is it even 16gb of ram or is 8 gb set aside for the GPU?
The ceo of valve has more money than sam altman, valve is a for profit company, what makes you think they want to sell you something for cheap?
the argument isn’t that steam would sell at a loss if it wasn’t for ai, it’s that price is close to market parity, when we know the original price was projected to be $750
$750 according to who? Valve? The most honest and knightly and chivalrous of all tech companies? They wouldn’t lie or mislead, would they?
… So people will buy it? For profit companies tend to like it when people buy stuff from them.
Their goal is to maximize profits, if they get more money by selling costly units they will stick to these
Too bad none of the imaginary sky beings exist.
I’m not sure why everyone is so upset about the price.
It’s a gaming computer with steam on it.
It’s significantly less than a gaming rig with similar specs that you can custom build.
It’s a really good product for the price.
I’m not sure why everyone is so upset about the price.
Because this is a 6~700 dollar machine that is now this price because of Sam Altman and his competing AI cronies having gone full scorched earth on the hardware market for no good reason.
It’s significantly less than a gaming rig with similar specs that you can custom build.
Youtube’s full of people that build comprable or better performing machines in this price bracket. There’s obviously more to this steam machine than just performance, but it’s not particularly cheap in any respect.
I’m not concerned with what YouTubers are doing.
What I know is if I go to my local microcenter, I live in a city they has one close to me, and try to build the same or similar computer I’m closer to three grand.
As a matter of fact the computer that I have currently is very close to the spec of a steam machine and it cost around $2500 when I built it on 2022.
And we live in a fucked up time where things are more expensive than they ever have to be.
The price to performance is acceptable if not slightly under powered on this product for our time. Keep in mind you’re getting a fully built Linux machine that anyone can just power up and use. Also keep in mind that consoles sell at a loss because they make they’re money in games sales. That’s not something valve is going for.
Honestly I think people would have been upset no matter what they did.
A PS5 pro blows this out of the water for a lower price. This thing has less performance than a base PS5.
Valve targeted a price/performance point that did not exist anymore. They advertised 4k/60FPS, you’re just not getting that with this box. They ended up targeting 1080p. As component prices got more expensive they ended up compromising on performance to keep the cost somewhat manageable, but ended up in a very unfavorable part of the price/performance curve. That’s why it’s so underwhelming to people.
You can build an equivalent or more powerful pc for slightly less than this. But if you’re willing to shell out a couple hundred more, you get a multiple of the performance this thing offers. It’s outcompeted on both price and performance.
I was quite hyped to get one of these but I’m not shelling out that money for what you get right now. I’d rather spend a little bit more to get something that will actually last and stay relevant for a few more years.
A PS5 pro blows this out of the water for a lower price
Why everyone us this stupid argument? The PS5 pro cost less because sony will get back the money with the games they sell on the playstation store and the monthly subscription you are forced to pay if you wanna play online
The playstation plus essential is €70 for a year, let’s say you will pay for 5 years, it will be €4350 sum it to the €898 of the console and you get €1248 spent
The steam machine with 2TB is €1359 (or 1428 if you really want the controller) and you can use it forever, run old ass games with emulators, mod games, play pirated games, use it how you want, even for productivity and without any subscription
Do you see why Valve can’t sell hardware for less like Sony does?
If they wanted to gain market they should have included a AM4 option that matches PS5 price and performance.
Is it? Capped at 1080p, low power consumption to control heat, but at a performance cost. Overall pretty meh.
That’s the issue with the PC gaming community. A lot of people seem disconnected from how most people actually game.
The most common graphics card on Steam is still the 3060, and the most common resolution is 1080p.
Only a relatively small segment of gamers is chasing 4K at 60 FPS or higher. The Steam Deck is not a particularly powerful device by modern PC standards, yet it’s proven to be extremely capable for gaming.
So, yes, I see a decent product here. It will work perfectly well for the overwhelming majority of people who are actually going to buy it.
Luckily, you don’t run a business, because dismissing a product simply because it doesn’t cater to the enthusiast minority is a great way to ignore the customers who make up most of the market.
I guess I would buy this if I was a huge gamer, but I game on my pc and it’s fine.
Why? You can buy an Acer Predator Helios Neo 16 for like $1,300 with a 2 year warranty. A QHD oled 240hz screen, 32gig ram, 1tb ssd with room for a second, 275HX, 5070ti. And it’s a laptop so you can just unplug it and do whatever wherever in one unit.
I know they’re going for the super compact convenient thing but that’s a hell of a premium for what they’re selling.
“Hell of a premium”? The steam machine cost roughly like the build i made to match their power
A 5070ti mobile is not a 5070ti. the makor thing is 4GB more VRAM, performance wise hiw much stronger is it at 60W GPU TDP? Maybe 25%?
That laptop is also 25% more expensive with an inferior and louder cooling system. The screen is redundant for the living room, 16GB RAM on Linux are still ok for gaming, this isn’t Windows. SSD capacity is inconcenience but not a oerformance issue.
So yeah, I would say, the laptop is certainly comoetitive performance wise but it is not a rrpkacement for a compact silent living room PC.
I’m seeing the Acer for 2000 EUR with a 5060 and 16 gigs of RAM. You sure your prices aren’t from a few months ago or something? 5070/32GB is over 2300 and that’s not ever the 5070Ti.
bfaliszek@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
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Rooster326@programming.dev 3 weeks ago
I appreciate that nobody used the weapon of our enemy to make this.
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Baby Sam Altman in my eyes joined the list of Baby Hitler, Baby Stalin, Baby Elon Musk, and Baby whoever the fuck came up with the idea that we must turn western democracies into christian fascist states.