Even if it was a human, Chris would be wrong with his lie about “90% of scientists.” Not sure why people think a lie will help their argument in cases like this.
Flipper!!
Submitted 2 weeks ago by fossilesque@mander.xyz to science_memes@mander.xyz
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BillyClark@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Bytemeister@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Eh… A Human fetus is human, but it is not “a human”. Your toenail clipping are human.
Plus, the humanity or personhood of a fetus doesn’t really matter for the pro-choice position. Simply put, there is no (other) legal situation that can compell you to give up your bodily autonomy.
Example. I can shoot someone in the street in cold blood, and they could die without a blood transfusion. The courts cannot compell me to do something as harmless as donating blood to save that person’s life. A fetus, despite arguably being a person, does not have a right to your blood, your breath, your nutrients, or a space inside your body. Full stop.
kureta@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Wow. I have never heard this argument articulated in this way. Thanks!
tburkhol@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
I had a…call? survey? at some point from an entity that probably gave rise to this data. It was basically a push-poll that used question order and positive reinforcement to try to get people to agree that abortion is murder.
Mostly, it tried to conflate “human” with “a human,” starting out with things like “are cells isolated from humans still human?” “Can cultured cells be called ‘viable?’” “So would you agree that tissue cultured from a human donor is viable, human tissue?”
frazw@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Reminds me of this… ipsos.com/…/yes-prime-minister-questionnaire-desi…
They are asking the questions in a way that gets the answers they want just like in yes prime minister.
fizzle@quokk.au 2 weeks ago
That sounds like a hell of a survey.
Mine are always like “on a scale of 0 to 10, 0 being very poor and 10 being outstanding, how would you rate the service you have received today?”
neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
They don’t care about facts data or science. They use it to argue in bad faith, not to have a serious convo.
If you call that out they’ll just ignore you and try and get you with some other made up gotcha fact.
fizzle@quokk.au 2 weeks ago
Exactly. It’s something like a gish gallop - you can’t really rebut that and explain why it’s a comment made in bad faith, but to casual readers it’s a valid retort.
fakeman_pretendname@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
Also, even if 90% of scientists did say that… what percentage of those scientists are not biologists?
Do we need to know a geologist’s or physicist’s opinion about “some sort of weird meat-science”?
Like the old “Yeah, sorry, I am a Doctor, but I’m a Doctor of Jazz, not medicine”
howrar@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Am scientist (not in life sciences). If someone showed me this image, I’d have absolutely no idea what I’m looking at. So that’s one for the 10%, I guess.
voxthefox@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Because they aren’t arguing to persuade the other party but to persuade the readers/listeners that won’t bother to research if its actually true.
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Because they are stupid enough that they believe appeal to authority has any meaning.
Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 2 weeks ago
I do love the “blank slate mammal” look we all seem to share at this stage.
multifariace@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
harambe69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
We all start off as weird worm-like gilled things, huh
GraniteM@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
“Tube that’s lumpy on one side and tapers off on the other”
disorderly@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yeh it’s peak, really goes downhill from there.
Kefla@hexbear.net 2 weeks ago
Behold: Potential Mammal!
GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Thank FUCK you edited that horrible FUCKING word, do that my innocent eyes aren’t FUCKING desecrated.
Tits.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I suggest autoreplacing it with a more technical term.
fucksexSEX
That’s a sexing dolphin.
HarneyToker@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
What fucking word did he write? It’s got a line through it so I can’t read it 😞
TrickDacy@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Fucking.
jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Fucking?
TrickDacy@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
XXX style.
BigBenis@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
90% of scientists agree
Even if that were true these kinds of people are notorious for discounting the vast majority consensus because some lunatic said otherwise. It’s almost like science has so bearing to them unless it validates their preconceived ideas.
Zebrafive@lemmy.myserv.one 2 weeks ago
Exactly the problem and they all cite a paper written by a pro life conservative who works at the Hamilton foundation which is a conservative ‘think tank’.
The paper itself is abysmally stupid. He emailed about 60 000 people with 5 or so confoundingly, unnecessarily complex question (manipulated) and about 30 000 or so responded and then he interpreted the answers and made the conclusion that like 90% of respondents agree that life begins at conception.
Morons say 90% of scientists agree, which is not even what the paper claims at all which itself is not good.
He could have just asked ‘does human life begin at conception’? Also he complained (author) in a podcast about the paper about how so many faculty at the college he was st during the paper writing urged him to continue with the project and then spins that to baskcally say pro women’s rights advocates are in a conspiracy against life and were all democratic demons in a death cult (more or less)
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Pfft, we have a hard time proving people under 1 billion net worth are human live nowadays.
Lemminary@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
90% of scientists agree you pull random percentages out of your ass.
gedaliyah@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
No, it’s a dolphin embryo
MissJinx@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
You are never going to convince me the biggest vilain in the whole world is fucking religion. I hate religious people with all my heart
Jax@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
isn’t fucking religion
Or
You are never going to convince me; the biggest villain in the world is fucking religion.
Fedizen@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Lot of faith in that analysis
sangeteria@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
I think it’s in the top 5:
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Capitalism
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Patriarchy
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Racism (I consider this tied with patriarchy tbh)
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Religion
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People who take two seats on public transit with no justification
groet@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
Religion is a rationale for other evils. It is in itself not evil.
Patriarchy and racism (and many religions do that too) are all the same thing - chauvinism, the belief in the superiority of the own group. This also includes nationalism, homophobia, xenophobia and any other “I hate you because you are different”-isms
So I’d go with:
- Chauvinism
- Capitalism (greed)
- People who blast music on speaker in public transit
MissJinx@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Patriarchy and religion are interchangeble
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MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Even though you hate religious people with all your heart
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Were these scientists dentists ?
marcos@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I doubt even 10% of the scientists can tell a human embryo apart from a dolphin.
I really expect nobody from the physics, math, social sciences, history, geology, or almost every other department to do it.
SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
True. I was just making a “9 out of 10 dentists” joke
maya_the_good_apple@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Fun fact: Ontogeny Recapitulates Phylogeny.
Depending on what species a foetus looks like, you can make a guess for how long it has been present inside a womb.
Source: Haeckel Embryos.
ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
Amazing how we are just a pair of cells that underwent a series of protein-controlled division, folding and diversification. And excretion and consumption that formed and maintains non-cellular parts like fluids and bones. Plus the microbiome but arguably that’s not you, much like mites.
ImgurRefugee114@reddthat.com 2 weeks ago
Reminds of youtube.com/shorts/rQqMcWuUDeg
diabetic_porcupine@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Haha, gotcha
flawed_human@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
got em
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
The tale of a tail.
cannedtuna@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Here you go OP. It’s actually ok to swear on the internet.
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MeatPilot@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
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leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
youtu.be/pai3bV9mcnU
Zorcron@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Here is a not weirdly censored and un-censored version:
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cannedtuna@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I mean… could I have gone and found the original, maybe. Did it cross my mind, no I jumped straight to do it on my phone and make it look as natural as possible, but of course this was the harder option. 🤦♂️
quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
I don’t get at all this trend of badly censored words.
voidsignal@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
They try to be a rebel, but still wanna please facists algorithms. American puritanism BS. Fuck that.
ordnance_qf_17_pounder@reddthat.com 2 weeks ago
One theory is that it’s done intentionally to farm engagement from people pointing it out. Also I think most mainstream platforms heavily push down in the algorithm content that isn’t completely sanitised. This is to make the platform more appealing to advertisers because the platform’s userbase is the product.
As for why the words are partly censored instead of completely censored I’m not sure. I’d guess it’s to game the algorithm while also making the word completely obvious.
Either way, if this is the behaviour that you engage in on a platform, that platform is terrible and you are an attention obsessed idiot.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
It’s to get by censorship algorithms on certain sites. The picture is copied as-is, so it stays even when not needed.
ayyy@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
The creators of Lemmy (who also run the Lemmy.ml instance) are huge fans of censorship and propaganda so they use automated swear word filtering to train their users into uncritically accepting censorship.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Yes, **** the fuck.
Ophrys@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
MY EYES! NOOOOO! MY INNOCENCE!!!
SystemDisc@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
I hate it. I downvote every censored post.
bitjunkie@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
mUh EnGaGeMeNt StAtS
Seleni@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Unless you’re a part of .ml, apparently. They auto-censor that stuff for some reason.
cannedtuna@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
They got more problems than censoring bad words tho…
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
hold up…the CCCP supporting fascist loving asscrack of the federation censors posts?!
to hear a ml user, they make it seem like they’re having a fucking blast over there… sounds like a fucking gulag.
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Anything’s possible when you make shit up
Diva@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
i can promise you fuck isn’t censored on .ml