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this opens so many new opportunities!
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It’s called throat singing
These are all 100% exactly the same, in that they’re all propaganda
CHS is 100% a real thing, my wife has it. If she smokes more than a bowl a week, she will scromit. She developed CHS about 18 months after she first started smoking with me. I’ve been smoking for about 40 years, and I’ve never developed CHS. We’re not sure exactly why some people get it and some people don’t, but it is a real phenomenon that can happen to some cannabis users.
I’m pro-weed, pro-legalization, and generally in favor of personal freedom. But pot is not for everyone. It makes my wife incredibly sick. My (adult) daughter gets panic attacks from smoking pot, so she abstains.
I get what you’re trying to say. But the image OP displayed is actually propaganda. I get the feeling a lot of people don’t know what propaganda means and think it’s only something a government does to make you a gungho patriot.
If the argument, info, message, whatever form of communication being delivered to you, is designed to appeal to your emotions, or sway your opinion, even if it contains some mote of truth, it’s propaganda. Smokey the Bear is propaganda. To guilt you into not starting forest fires. It’s for a decent cause, but it’s no less a mascot designed to alter the behaviour of the populace.
Smoking also produces a host of other chemicals, and like tobacco, plenty of harmful ones. It may not be a cannabinoid issue, rather a reaction with some combustion byproduct.
I’m not a doctor, so feel free to disregard any of that :)
CHS is a real thing, just not as portrayed by the OP. And the US government absolutely sprayed fuckloads of weed with paraquat back in the day, we have declassified files about it, there were hospitalizations, lifelong issues like Parkinson’s and even deaths from it.
Reefer is many times more potent than it was back in Cheech and Chong days. I can see where there would be more side effects.
People have been extracting and concentrating cannanaboids for a long time. If there were more serious side effects from strong weed we’d know.
Jesus fuck that is ignorant. Spend a night in my ER.
How much is too much? My wife and I smoke a joint at night 7 days a week for the past year. Is that too much?
Oh you can relax, this is 100% propaganda. The bots are going to light me up for this, but it’s just not a real documented thing
Raises hand meekly… I do in fact get this if I’ve been consistent for a long-ass time, not necessarily the dose size, but I swear to god you could replace my pen with ipecac and it would be the same experience. That said, long breaks “reset” it for me.
And while I don’t personally know anyone with the same problem, there are thousands of stories both online and IRL for me of “friend of a friend can’t smoke weed anymore because of it”.
Its extremely well documented. This is exactly why you shouldnt take medical advice online seriously. It just stems from an over saturation of cannaboid receptors. The same receptors whose antiemetic effects are useful for cancer patients or other nausea prone patients can be reversed by over saturation of the receptor. It can be reversed typically by a period of abstinence that lets the receptors reset, but some people can never really partake again.
I say this as someone who worked as a nursing assistant and used to be an anatomy/biology tutor in college. I also have smoked way more weed than any of you over the past decade. If you havent seen any evidence of this, its because you have no idea how to look.
estimated 32% prevalence among cannabis users
113 cases documented worldwide
never heard of it despite your social circle being mostly daily smokers of high-thc weed
Lol definitely not a propaganda thing, and all of us 339 pot smokers should be worried
If Cannabinoid Hyperemesis Syndrome is real then it’s extremely rare. Just look at People like Willie Nelson or Snoop. Fact is this syndrome was only first described after Colorado legalized cannabis recreationally. So even though many many people smoked just as much before legalization it somehow only became an issue afterward? Anecdotally I know a lot of people who smoke a lot of weed. Personally neither my wife and I have been sober for more than maybe a month in the last decade and a half, and I still smoke a lot more than just half a j at the end of the day. Sometimes if I don’t smoke and I don’t eat I get kinda nauseous. The same thing will happen if I do smoke and I don’t eat. I have/get every illness, if this was a thing I would have it lol
Yeah, legalization widens the sample group of users effectively, which will cause rarer symptoms to appear among people who have sensitivities to things they wouldn’t otherwise have known
I smoked 4 huge cones to the dome today in between vapes. And that’s just joints. I know a lot of people that smoke weed. Never seen this.
I do think it’s propaganda. I’ve seen doctors write people immediately off and blame the weed if they tell the truth. Like people with the fucking flu not taken seriously and told it was smoking weed. Some people will blame all sorts of things if they get sick.
I will say I think my mom gets it. She used to smoke for nausea and sleep, and one day it just didnt help. Found out it was making things worse rather than better, and once she stopped it was gone. Hasn’t felt the desire to touch it since.
Don’t get me wrong, this is likely being way overblown, and I’m a daily dabber myself so I dont want to come across like I support the fear-mongering, but I have seen evidence myself of at least its existence. Might be a misdiagnosis even, but nothing else changed and things improved for her. Not sure how common it is, or how severe it typically is, but to me it’s an accepted risk like skin cancer and sunlight. I’ll cross that bridge if it comes and deal with it appropriately, but I’m not hiding inside out of fear.
Yeah I literally never heard of this before like 2022, and basically every friend I’ve had for the better part of 30 years has been a daily user at some point. This includes dabbing, concentrates, edibles, etc. so it isn’t just a potency thing. These are people who were basically stoned every waking minute of every day in college and early careers. There’s definitely something fishy here.
Incidentally, everyone is doing fine professionally as well. Lawyers, engineers, doctors, entrepreneurs, and so on. So even the previous propaganda of “weed makes you lazy and dumb” is BS too.
If you’re scromitting less than 4 times a day I think you’re in the clear.
Call your doctor if a scrommit lasts longer than four hours, though!
Let’s see, wake up, dab, scromit, eat potato, drink coffee, brush teeth, dab, do homework, scromit, go to class, go to work, come home, dab, do more homework, scromit, brush teeth, go to bed.
Phew, just made it on a normal day!
“How much is too much” really depends on the person, but I’ll venture to say that a single shared joint a day is not enough to induce scromiting in anyone remotely tolerant.
I smoked daily for 20 years and just 3 months ago I came down with this. Felt like food poisoning but my wife ate the same stuff as me and she never got sick.
Can confirm I scromitted, although any time I have thrown up in the past I also was quite loud.
Or it was food poisoning.
We’re you diagnosed or did you feel sick and blame it on the weed because you don’t have a better explanation?
No, you didn’t
I have smoked to some level, nearly every single day, for 15 years. I haven’t scromited once.
It’s probably different for different people. I smoke a fat bowl every morning, and sometimes a second one at night, and I’m fine. I’ve been smoking for about 40 years. My wife was smoking a gram or two a day for roughly 18 months, and she developed CHS. She took a month long t-break, and the symptoms went away. Now, if she smokes more than once a week, they come back, so she only smokes with me on Monday nights.
I’m just interested to see how long Snoop Dogg lives
No. That’s barely enough, really. 😋
Depends on the person. Everyone reacts differently to any drug, and cannabis is no different in this respect.
I have friends who consume once or twice per day, any more and they’re not functional enough for the day. I have friends who consume once every few weeks, any more and it causes issues for them.
I consume 2-3g of flower per day, throughout each day, alongside the occasional hashish and edible, and I’ve accomplished a fair bit from an unconditional offer to university for History BA Hons, worked for a US gov contract with the Affordable Care Act, etc. etc. (currently taking a change of direction and getting into a more creative field).
If most people smoked like I do, the last thing they would be doing is reading novels and research articles like myself.
Everyone is different. Really pay attention to how your consumption affects you, and make a sober assessment on whether it’s something that you’re comfortable fitting into your life in the manner in which you consume. The truth that many people don’t say, and this is coming from a consumer of just over two decades, is there are plenty of people for which cannabis is NOT good for, and provides more detriment than benefit.
Listen to your body and mind, is all I can suggest, but if you feel that it doesn’t cause conflicts in your daily living I wouldn’t worry about it. Enjoy the ganja, find something tasty and have a good time :)
almost certainly not too much
however the wise and financially savvy toker takes a tolerance break at least once a year to reset tolerance and spend less $. This one takes a reset at least twice a year for 4 weeks each. a four week break every six months means you’re spending way less to get the same effects
also the wise toker switches from combustion to edibles or dry herb vapes so they stop inhaling hydrogen cyanide, ammonia, benzene, formaldehyde, and other carcinogens with every hit. Each of those are cancerous which is no bueno. Also edibles and herb vapes are a lot more efficient so you’ll get a stronger effect for less $
It typically doesn’t set on until you’ve been smoking like that for years.
But smoking like that is like driving a tractor-trailer down a steep hill. It’s hard to stop.
IMO it’s the smoking that’s bad, not the drug.
The quality of our drug war propaganda is going to shit along with everything else the US makes
It’s laughable at this point. It’s so clearly swarms of bots and not even good propaganda
Reefer madness
I was hospitalized with a similar condition called Canabanoidosis. Nearly died. Took 8 iv bags, other medicine, and 3 days of bedrest to survive. Ironically, its chronic. So no more of beelzabubs broccoli for me. The ratio of thc to blood in my blood was so wack that my blood became too acidic. Spasming and vomiting in response to water even touching my mouth. Very nearly died.
Forgive me for asking, but… how?? The LD50 for cannabis is 980 mg/kg. For an adult weighing 180 lbs / 81 kgs, that would require nearly 1.62 kg of straight THC to the veins.
I mean, that’s the LD50 for THC. But for it to actually change your blood acidity, you must have had to take an insane amount. Was it an industrial exposure?
Well, I had been smoking almost all day every day for a decade, the last year I was hitting dab at least 3 times per day. The weekend of the incident, i ate an early breakfast, drove for 6 hours, then went backcountry camping with what I thought was enough food/water (I was wrong) and a too much thc. Went all day with very little food/water, hitting a 2g vape every few minutes and walked around 17 miles. Then my friend drove us the 6 hour drive home, about an hour later I got a ride to the hospital, I usually drive myself to the hospital but I could barely move. I dont mess with that stuff or anything else anymore. Being clean feels better anyway.
Great resource link! I poached it get the LD50 for delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol which is the psychoactive property the plant has been bred for. That number is actually higher at 1270 mg/kg.
And as you stated, it would have to be 100% purity concentrate in a vein.
That’s why cannabis fear mongering is utter nonsense. Yes, there can be seriously deleterious effects for heavy, chronic users. But unless you’re really trying, a toxic dose is almost impossible.
You’re right to be skeptical, this is bullshit
I call bullshit, that’s not a thing
Ha! Chronic. Classic Up you go! Btw that’s fkd up. It’s like hydrophobia in Rabies patients.
Lol
Man who grew your weed they’re a genius.
screxisting - screaming while existing scronscious - screaming while conscious scrasturbating - screaming while masturbating (personal favorite of mine)
Scritting - when the haemies flare up real good
Man I’ll never think of scrum the same way again.
My gastroenterologist had this on the short list of why I was vomiting randomly but 1. It’s not screaming 2. Hot baths didn’t help in the slightest (I wished) and 3. I don’t smoke only eat it.
Current going plan is cyclical vomiting syndrome. Yaaasy.
I don’t smoke only eat it.
Why would that make a difference? CHS is caused by cannabis use, not specifically cannabis smoking, no?
Yea I’d be getting another opinion.
Yeah, it’s a hot new thing so it’s definitely getting overprescribed. I got diagnosed with it after some intermittent vomiting with lots of nausea. After the symptoms still persisted after six months without smoking any, they started to take me a little more seriously. I’ve also known friends who’ve had issues misdiagnosed.
At this point, it seems like if you’ve smoken marijuana and have any stomach issue, they’ll say it’s CHS
I promise, it was just a few lines during my appointment, and he settled on cyclical vomiting syndrome even quicker ;_;
The questions were like, “Do you smoke? No? Do hot baths help? No? Oh you’ve heard of it! You read a paper? Oh I mostly do papers blah blah blah” then he asked more questions and it was just “Yeah you almost undoubtedly have cyclical vomiting syndrome, but I want to do an upper endoscopy just to make sure it’s not gastritis or cancer or something horrible. You have textbook definitions of cyclical vomiting syndrome” and when I got home and read them it was like. Yep! Sure fucking do.
But I get why he asked, cause the two do seem to have a lot of overlapping symptoms.
Interesting. Although users in Philadelphia can cross the river to New Jersey to buy legal cannabis, it’s only available in Pennsylvania with a medical card. I have to wonder if these cases are coming from people who bought weed legally in a neighboring state, or is it happening with people who consumed unregulated alternatives (like Delta-8) from places like smoke shops and gas stations?
No, its from legit sources. It’s been a more and more popular diagnosis the last 5 or 6 years. I first saw it around 2018 in a legal state. One someone has it they kind of just have it and any THC use will cause the symptoms. It’s n/v and abd pain characterized by recent cannabis use in a chronic cannabis use patient. I’ve never seen it in anyone who described themselves as moderate. Relief with hot showers and worsening with cannabis use are the diagnostic criteria other than personal/social hx.
The doctors I worked with felt like it was due to the low price and availability of concentrates.
Do you know the reason taking hot showers is part of the criteria?
Is it possible to vomit without screaming? Am I just a drama queen?
Damn this meme thread turned into some otherwise semi-serious cannatalk. Everyone just needs to chill out and smoke a joint.
I think I have a life goal now to hit back-to-back blinkers until I scromit. Though I’m pretty sure I’ve scromitted when sick with food poisoning. Might be different. Idk. I’m like 6 blinkers deep.
Truly the word of the century.
I needed a term for the urge I feel every time I read the news, and now I have it.
If you have CHS or CHS like symptoms try a fat soluble thiamine supplement.
Most Americans are actually thiamine deficient.
It makes me scrasterbate.
I get kicked out of every apartment I move into.
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Wallace and Scromit