Nvidia Announces DLSS 5, and it adds... An AI slop filter over your game

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• username_1@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The right image looks more realistic. Where exactly is the problem? Do you prefer smooth glossy doll-like models? I’m sure this “filter” will be optional.

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  • Noja@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The textures are flat on purpose so the AI filter looks “more detailed” in comparison.

    They don’t have to be like this, see this Callisto Protocol 2022 screenshot no weird AI filter needed.

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    • PDFuego@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The textures are flat on purpose so the AI filter looks “more detailed” in comparison.

      Definitely. Boot up the game and look at the actual graphics. Their “OFF” pictures look terrible.

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  • nfreak@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    bruh it looks like shit lmao

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    • tomiant@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I think a bigger issue is the fact that they override the original artists’ intentions and expressions. It’s like if you painted a painting and AI is like, hey let me just touch up everything for you that I think you fucked up.

      It’s not the quality that is the point here, as much as that sucks too.

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  • zaphod@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It looks like it applied some make-up and changed the hair colour.

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  • carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    it doesn’t look “more realistic”, it completely changes the character’s appearance: hair that looks dyed, redder, fuller lips, more prominent cheekbones, a more defined chin, and eyes that instead of kinda looking away avoidedly, now stare at your soul through the screen (although that one might be just the lighting, idk)

    basically this except more subtle, but the idea is the same, make her look more attractive under the guise of realism. it’s gross on its own, but the implications are even worse imo, just giving gooner chuds the tools to turn any game into the porn of their dreams, fuck art amirite? it’s literally turning everything you see on the computer into slop

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    • tomiant@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      If I was an artist that worked on the game and had this shit forced on my product it would make me fucking furious!

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  • newthrowaway20@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    How about the part where they had to use 2 RTX 5090’s to do this? One for the game and one for DLSS 5?

    Please try and justify that.

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    • jj4211@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Easy, if it needs that much GPU and even one GPU is hard to find, then it could make someone rent their games from Nvidia to use their GPUs…

      Oh. Did you mean justify for the user? Lol, no, only the interests of nvidia matter.

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    • nfreak@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Supposedly this trash will run on a single GPU at launch, but this still feels like a subtle push toward shit like geforce and taking ownership away from the consumer

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  • Psychodelic@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yea it looks way better on the right. lol. People just wanna be mad. Just assume they’re bots and ignore the chirping

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    • nfreak@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I too have a complete and total disregard for artstyles

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    • Klear@quokk.au ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I’m going to assume they’re confused about which is left and which is right.

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  • IAmYouButYouDontKnowYet@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It honestly just looks like color, contrast, and sharpening changes…

    I hate ai too but this seems like it’s just blatant anti ai propaganda.

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  • Yawweee877h444@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I still don’t understand all the extreme anti-ai cult in these types of contexts. Oh well.

    Whatever ai did, the right image looks better than the left.

    I honestly think the anti ai thing has a lot of crowd mentality aspects to it. There’s reasons to dislike some of what big ai business is doing, more reasons to push for regulation. But this specific example? I got nothin…

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    • greybeard@feddit.online ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      If only Leonardo de Vinci had a camera, can you imagine how much better the Mona Lisa would have been? /s

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    • jj4211@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      People have repeatedly in this thread talked about how it also added details that were not hinted in the original, and in part it looks like adding makeup, which could totally undermine a character or setting if they are unlikely to care about our have time for makeup.

      Characters that have barely survived in the wilderness for weeks somehow wearing lipstick and eyeliner and eyeshadow… That’s the sort of thing that can happen with this approach.

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• skisnow@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Aside from all the other issues surrounding it, every demo I’ve seen so far is creepy uncanny valley stuff that I found unsettling and wouldn’t want to be playing.

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• Zoldyck@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  They have completely lost their minds

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• verdi@tarte.nuage-libre.fr ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  DLSS - > SlopSS

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  • spicehoarder@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Disgusting Lighting Sloppy Seconds

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• orioler25@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Wow, all of those I unreal engine “next Gen” Mario and Zelda videos were right.

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  • sakuraba@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    nvidia hire this man!

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• arcine@jlai.lu ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Digital Foundry somehow still praises it 🤦🏻‍♀️

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  • sakuraba@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    digital shills

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• devolution@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Leon looks like that Russian guy with the massive chin.Image RTX on

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• HugeNerd@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Grown people expend energy on this?

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• Nasan@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Close one, I almost just downloaded a mod instead of burning money.

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• DokiDokiCT@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  This looks like legitimate ass. RAM prices are through the roof in part because of this shit - we’ve regressed heavily.

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  • LifeLikeLady@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    There’s no in part. It’s 100% because if this bull shit being forced down everyone’s throats without consent or lube.

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• ConstantPain@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  If this tech appeared four or five years ago, it would be all praise around here…

  AI hate is becoming “hate for the hate” just because it’s the dominant opinion.

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  • petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Did you ever use a mod to change visual aspects of a game?

    I’ve seen people do this to Minecraft. Genuinely, the 4k super-texture packs you can add to change the block faces look fucking awful.

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  • Rooster326@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    A Mod is a filter with a specific design choice.

    This makes everything look the same. All games in all genres. Uncannily

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• LuceVendemiaire@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  techno-fascists are incapable of making decent art, hence why they love this shit. They don’t care about Grace as a character or what her design can tell us about her, she needs to be “upgraded” to look like the most generic model ever because they don’t care to actually understand anything about the characters or story or fucking anything at all

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  • sturmblast@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    To be fair, I’ve never cared about the story of a video game character

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    • LuceVendemiaire@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      do you just stare at the screen when playing something like Disco Elysium

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• Sam_Bass@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Be a lot more popular applied to digital porn

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  • thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    DLSS 6 will include the Live Undress capability

    undress anyone on your screen in real time

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    • sakuraba@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      you’ll need to ID yourself setting up a webcam in front of your dingdong so we can check it against our dingdong databases and we’ll keep everything on record to enhance our models

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  • noxypaws@pawb.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’m gonna need to see how this tech works on Torgal and Rathalos and Alduin and other such creatures first. human faces and bodies, whatever, that’s been done to death!

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• moakley@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Thank you for finally providing the context for this image. I’ve seen it all over the place but I don’t game on PC so I wasn’t going to take the time to look it up.

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• Azrael@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  “AI Slop”

  I’m curious. How do people think DLSS actually works?

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  • glibg10b@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It used to be trained on actual games. Not pictures of women on the internet. And it only filled in the detail lost from low resolution gaming; it didn’t overpower artistic intent

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    • Azrael@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Even so. OP’s post is nonsense. When people talk about misinformation on the internet, this is what they’re talking about.

      DLSS 5 is still in the testing phase. Nowhere near commercially available yet. Demos are only supposed to show direction, not the finished result. One cherry picked image is glorified ragebait at best.

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  • Datz@szmer.info ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’m stupid, doesn’t DLSS and other upscaling tech usually keep the game-generated pixels? So 1/4 pixels is still there going from HD to 4k?

    DLSS5 only keeping 1/20 seems to get ridiculous.

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• Solemarc@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Looking at the first comparison I thought it was pretty good, but weird that they changed her hair though.

  Then I got to all the comparison shots in the NVIDIA blog post and noticed it basically just brightens dark scenes, relights characters and eats background detail, this looks very half baked to me.

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• mokokunai@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Image

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• Epp@lemmus.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  An ocean of hate in this thread… I’m excited for this tech, and hope there’s a way to inject it into classics that haven’t aged so well because they aimed for realism at a time when it was unachievable. Now we can actually see how those games might have looked had they been fully successful.

  Off the top of my head, I think this would be great in most Elder Scrolls games, most notably Daggerfall. Almost anything released for N64, with it’s extremely flat textures, or PSX with it’s heavily pixelated textures. Maybe GoldenEye you’ll actually be able to make out other characters from further than 20’ or Final Fantasy IX won’t look like 3D blobs hovering over static, pre-rendered scenes.

  I’m excited to replay so many games without feeling let down by my nostalgia filter when actually seeing them again!

  Now let the waves of down-votes roll over me like I’m at the beach, for having the audacity of disagreeing with the irrational and incensed mob.

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  • EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I can only pray to god that I never become this lost.

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    • Epp@lemmus.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Spend a decade getting an advanced degree in a technology that genuinely excites you, ignites your passion, and then turns out to be universally reviled. You’ll catch up quick.

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  • Betchisan@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Bro I’d rather the authenticity of how the older games look rather than sloppifying its characters’ faces.

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    • Epp@lemmus.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Good! Everyone should be able to make that choice, but it’s only a choice when an option is offered - which is what this technology accomplishes.

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  • petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Final Fantasy IX won’t look like 3D blobs hovering over static, pre-rendered scenes.

    God, this is such an unbelievably anti-art thing to say.

    I’m excited to replay so many games without feeling let down by my nostalgia filter

    You. are. mentally. ill.

    I’m not just saying that to be mean. I’ve been reading a lot of Umineko recently, and there’s such a beautiful way of putting this: old games look perfectly fine, “but without ‘love’ it can’t be ‘seen’.” You have no love. This is why you are blind.

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    • Epp@lemmus.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I’d counter that people who think others must think as they do are mentally ill.

      “You can’t appreciate that! It offends me, and therefore must be banned. NO ONE can enjoy it. All must think as I do.”

      That’s what the people in this thread sound like to me.

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  • SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    New account 100% nivida shill bot

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    • Epp@lemmus.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Thanks for the heads up, I’ve marked you as such.

      Why did you have to make a new account to shill, though? I’d think you’d want you use an existing one if you had it.

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  • o1011o@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Have you considered what you’re looking at and what it means? Because the work of a human artist has meaning even if the technology is old. Hallucinations of a machine have no meaning. If there is no meaning the act of consuming the media will hollow you out instead of filling you up.

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    • Epp@lemmus.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Nothing inherently has meaning, except that which the beholder imparts to it. By your same logic, you’re dismissing the work of the creators of this technology. There’s room for both to exist - options are good! No one is forcing people to play a certain way, but I get the impression many here wish their own preference was enforced on everyone.

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  • TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Think again. You are falling for the circlejerk slop in this thread and think this is actually generative AI.

    DLSS 5 basically works best with high-resolution ray traced render stills because it works on a frame by frame basis. It doesn’t modify shape or geometry, it achieves that much by just manipulating the lighting and materials that are applied. If you actually compare screenshots side by side, you’ll find they include all of the same elements.

    With Daggerfall, it wouldn’t really work out, insert pixelated mess, get pixelated mess, although it might be interesting to see.

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    • Epp@lemmus.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I do understand that. It doesn’t deter me. Interesting is all that it needs to be. Doesn’t even have to be subjectively better. Just different, to relive classics in a new perspective.

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  • LOLseas@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    As much as we all loved GoldenEye 007 and Slappers Only multiplayer, due to licensing, I highly doubt we will ever see it be remade. gardinerbryant.com/goldeneye-007-the-accidental-m…

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    • Epp@lemmus.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Exactly, so if we want to see what it could look like if it were remade, this technology would be the only really option. It’s certainly more likely than an army of volunteers dodging C&D orders while donating their free time to construct a fan remake.

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  • fallaciousBasis@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Ff9 looks amazing compared to ff7.

    Ff8 is somewhere in-between.

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    • Epp@lemmus.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I agree… But they could look better. I’d like to see how that would look, even if it offends an artist to know it isn’t the exact image they originally created decades ago.

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• unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Omg someone tell that young person her lips are looking thin!

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• half_built_pyramids@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Lol it gave her low income girl eyes and dyed roots

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• ImmersiveMatthew@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  These images and press release is not for gamers, but for shareholders to “feel” like their investments are going to pay off.

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• Cruel@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Do you guys turn your graphics settings to lowest to make sure not to interfere with “artistic vision”? Or do you just literally no understand the technology at all? The dev can literally control the vectors for DLSS 5 and test it for themselves until it looks how they like. If you don’t like modifying frames, you should disable all post-processing shaders and most modern anti-aliasing too. Image

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  • Luccus@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Do you guys turn your graphics settings to lowest to make sure not to interfere with “artistic vision”?

    This such a bad take and demonstrates a total disregard for the role of technical artists and design.

    Anti-aliasing aims to overcome an inherent limitation a raster (of pixels) may present, in oder to bring the actual result closer to an artist’s vision. The same can be said for any other technique. The common denominator is, that they all attempt to bring a artistd vision for their work closer to reality.

    DLSS5, on the other hand, brings the result closer to Nvidias vision of what “good” looks like. And I think it looks bland and badly photoshopped and I want to see more good looking games.

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    • Cruel@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Not true at all. Have you not seen all the NES emulators that apply anti-aliasing or other modern graphics techniques to old NES games? Completely changes the dev’s vision. You need to disable them.

      Or you can just realize that modern devs are working with FSR/DLSS and tweaking it how they want. Just like they been doing with anti-aliasing. They can literally mask portions of the scene so DLSS 5 doesn’t apply to it.

      Now, many games they showcased likely didn’t put much effort into tweaking their performance for DLSS 5 since it’s new and they didn’t get the chance, but newer games will use it. It’s not like raytracing and pathtracing just enhance whatever GPU driver devs want it to. The devs can control it.

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  • sakuraba@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    jokes on you I already turn off almost everything because every fucking component is too fucking expensive

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  • drath@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Do you guys turn your graphics settings to lowest

    Pretty much, yeah, lows whenever possible and mediums whenever lows are way too low (i.e. shadows, where low usually means pre-baked only, while medium does dynamic, yet blurry, shadows), and all post-processing disabled. Highs and ultras never provide any tangible difference during gameplay and their use is seemingly mostly limited to benchmarks.

    and most modern anti-aliasing too

    TAA can eat a dick. I’d take staircases over ghost edges and flickering shadows any day every day.

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  • omarfw@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Image

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• sturmblast@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Looks fine to me

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• cronenthal@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  How about Half Life Cinematic mod, but for every game?

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• hal_5700X@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Insanely impressive that it’s able to do that in real time.

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• Gork@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I can see this being jarring as current AI implementation of this kinda thing in videos leads to inconsistent facial features which can have an uncanny valley effect.

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• Canconda@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Ew. It looks like ai porn. I feel so bad for the teenage boys who are jerking off to that shit not realizing they’re going to royally screw up their attraction to real women.

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• DoubleDongle@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It gave her Mar-a-Lago face

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• LittleBorat3@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Can I have this for teams? I work with so many ugly people that I need to paint them over in real time 😁

  I don’t care if 2 50x somethings need to run on 100 percent half the day.

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• pie_enjoyer@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It looks bad, but not that bad. If it doesn’t ignore artistic intent (good luck with that) I’m fine with it.

  I’m looking forward to completly AI generated graphics tho

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