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- Comment on For those who are super against to AI/LLM today. What was the catalyst how did you reach to this point? If you have the power to change our current situation what would you do. 1 day ago:
HereVorragend says we should ban video games and television because they’re not required to survive. Got it.
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In this analogy, is fisting good, or bad? Or maybe it’s not an analogy…
- Comment on Im liking this trend of bikini bottoms showing off the most outer bit to tje thigh unexposed. That is all just commentkngnon a mass social trend that wasnt possible 20.years ago 1 week ago:
That’s a new style to me. Classy. Keep up the good work!
- Comment on Im liking this trend of bikini bottoms showing off the most outer bit to tje thigh unexposed. That is all just commentkngnon a mass social trend that wasnt possible 20.years ago 1 week ago:
Pics or it didn’t happen. And don’t use AI to make them, as it will steal all the creative works around you and then suck the solar system into a black hole before delivering a plagiarized slop photo it hallucinated using auto-complete, but is simultaneously also a pixel-perfect copy from its database of creative works it already stole.
- Comment on mrw temperatures reach 40 degrees 1 week ago:
This is much better than having a bit of a hot ear.
- Comment on The worst of the worst 1 week ago:
Only because of the cost after switching to usage-based pricing. Before it was an invaluable tool, now it’s an overpriced failure. Now it can fuck off and I’ll use a local model.
- Comment on Fuckin' furries 2 weeks ago:
Ah, so you’re a lesbian who likes to kink shame. Bad combo, sister.
- Comment on Amongus 2 weeks ago:
Wow, thanks! That link really uncooks my spaghetti.
- Comment on Amongus 2 weeks ago:
Really? How can you tell they’re Catholic? 🤔 I don’t see why altar boys in the photo.
- Comment on Amongus 2 weeks ago:
I want to believe, but I’ve never seen him do any fucking with his noodly appendage. Parmesan be upon him.
- Comment on Mayonnaise included 2 weeks ago:
Is this a religious text?
- Comment on Amongus 2 weeks ago:
Who has your god been fucking? And why are they yours specifically? Do you have you share them with other believers? I’m looking for a deity to get in with at the ground floor, and if yours is fucking then they’re probably my kind of god!
- Comment on If you work with food, how can you control yourself so you don’t eat it? 2 weeks ago:
Sounds like your manager values garbage more than his employees
- Comment on Has anyone or anything ever passed the Turring Test? If so how and why? 2 weeks ago:
You sound quite sure of yourself, but I believe you are mistaken. The state of the electrons does indeed matter when a program is executing.
What makes you think that we will never be able to predict the outcome of a brain it we had the same knowledge of it as we did of a comparable neural network? You’d have to be a dumbass if you think that the medium matters in knowability of a system. Whether biological or mechanical, every state is possible until it’s measured, and once it is, you can determine exactly how it will function for a short period of time. Complexity does not make something unknowable, only complex, and therefore difficult to know.
Unlike the position and state of subatomic particles in any system, including that of the host of an LLM, which are unknowable.
- Comment on Y'all remember the Bloodhound Gang? 2 weeks ago:
They can’t tell, which makes them irrationally hate it all the more.
- Comment on Has anyone or anything ever passed the Turring Test? If so how and why? 2 weeks ago:
That we can.
At the company where I’ve been the lead developer for fifteen years, sentiment is split down the middle - half think as I do, half think as you do. In (nearly) every instance where one of the opposing developers shows me nonsense, it’s been easy to identify the cause: a lazy prompt with insufficient context. Garbage in, garbage out.
Having seen the results of the US elections, I don’t think anyone should trust humans. Yet here we are.
As for temperature, yes, I’m aware of the parameter. The human equivalent would be genetic mutation, although we can’t alter ours on the fly.
Thank you for the civil discussion. Until next we butt heads in the threads 👋
- Comment on Has anyone or anything ever passed the Turring Test? If so how and why? 2 weeks ago:
I, of course, disagree. Humans on the whole are ignorant and the average person is insufferably ill-informed. You are proving to be the exception. In general however, people suck at answering questions on subjects in which they’re not experts.
I have read that study, but I believe it to be flawed and I’m not alone. Please read the counter argument that hallucination is a structural phenomenon of estimation itself.
This reframes hallucination as structural misalignment between loss minimization and human-acceptable outputs, and hence estimation errors induced by miscalibration.
In other words, it is a problem that can be solved.
- Comment on Has anyone or anything ever passed the Turring Test? If so how and why? 2 weeks ago:
Wikipedias definition:
Cognitive process in which the mind considers, creates, out manipulates ideas, representative, or information.
Yes, you are correct - that is exactly what LLM do.
You make it sound as if 99% of the time the output of an LLM is gibberish, and only 1% it is coherent, but in my personal experience it is the exact opposite ratio. However, I can’t account for your experiences, as I am very aware that both expectation and perception are the basis for reality, and yours are obviously tuned negatively. You see what you expect to see, and if others have drastically different experiences that is something you cannot fathom as you have only your own to draw from anecdotally.
An LLM certainly could passively form ideas, if it was allowed to passively execute and output it’s thoughts to a console. That is not typically how they are used, though, and have been trained to output one response for one input. The capability is there, though.
I trust AI far more than I do a random person. They have access to far more information, and are more likely to be correct about any particular question asked. If you need a specialist, a human will usually be superior to the AI if you seek one out, but the next best thing is an AI - not a random person.
If you’re going to claim that hallucinations are an inevitably, please cite your source. My sincere understanding is that hallucinations occur when an LLM lacks context, and rather than seeking it, it takes a shortcut by using a random value for the missing information. This is due to a combination of a limited context window, because of memory constraints, and performance considerations as the operators want faster responses over thorough, comprehensive thinking as it aligns with cost savings concerns from the business perspective.
The advent of MoE (Mixture of Experts) has cut down on hallucinations considerably, by reducing the footprint of the thinking model to only that which is relevant to the prompt, which frees up memory that can be allocated to context. Similar incremental improvements will inevitably make hallucinations a funny story from the past, which I believe is the inevitability.
If you have some mathematical formula that proves hallucinations are unsolvable, I’d be happy to read it and reflect upon it. However, I strongly suspect that any formula you produce is only relevant to the technology of LLMs as they operate today, and that such problems are indeed solvable, and in no way inevitable.
Your derisive pet names for the technology make it clear you’ve already made up your mind, though, so don’t feel obligated to continue to argue the case that no one will ever solve what you believe is unsolvable.
- Comment on Has anyone or anything ever passed the Turring Test? If so how and why? 2 weeks ago:
It most certainly does. Do you think that you know the position and state of all the electrons in a computer when a program is executing?
You need to learn the difference between, thinking and knowing.
- Comment on More 2 weeks ago:
You mean Mini Skeets?
- Comment on Has anyone or anything ever passed the Turring Test? If so how and why? 2 weeks ago:
Yes, I know, and what you’re overlooking is that the uncertainty principle applies to LLM, as well, and even your example alternating algorithm.
That’s why a solid definition of intelligence is necessary, and my own is that the closer the number of potential responses approaches infinity, the more intelligent it is. On this scale modern AI is not as intelligent as humans, but it’s certainly more intelligent than your alternating greeting.
- Comment on Has anyone or anything ever passed the Turring Test? If so how and why? 2 weeks ago:
Thanks, I like cookies. You should have one too for participating in this discourse, Internet stranger. Help yourself!
I’m citing myself. If you have information to the contrary of someone I’ve said, feel free to provide it.
Those examples are no different than instincts in people. The “training data” will shine through, but it doesn’t preclude new behavior.
… arguments can’t be used against me.
This reads to me like you went into the interaction with a prescribed expectation, and were using it only to validate your prejudice. If you used Fable, and didn’t think any thought was occurring, you’re either being purposefully obtuse or we have wildly different definitions of thinking.
Why don’t you give me your definition that includes people but excluded advanced LLM such as Fable?
- Comment on Has anyone or anything ever passed the Turring Test? If so how and why? 2 weeks ago:
I would argue that humans are the same, we just don’t have access to our programming. If we did, and could measure the state of our brains, we would be entirely deterministic, as well.
- Comment on Has anyone or anything ever passed the Turring Test? If so how and why? 2 weeks ago:
I would disagree with you, and would suspect you are basing your assessment of their abilities on dated usage. I hold a MSc from what is arguably the most prestigious University in Europe, in regards to computer science, and my major was in AI. Believe my when I say I know exactly how they function.
I still assert you are oversimplifying their current capabilities, and seem to be conflating LLM with Markov Chains. LLM do not simply regurgitate existing content, and are in fact capable of creating wholly new content not seen before. Hallucinations occur when their context buffer is too small, and as time goes on, it will largely be a thing of the past.
Magic Eight Balls, as I’m sure you’re aware, have a limited, predetermined number of responses. They are in no way comparable. LLM use the equivalent of synapses, just digital whereas we use biological, but the function is the same. Modern AI is distinguishable only by the medium used, silicon versus organic material. As the number of input parameters, and context windows grows, the difference between them and our own brains will shrink until the medium is the only remaining difference.
We’re not there yet, but I would argue they are capable of thought if we define that to mean reasoning towards a response using all available information, instead of taking a predetermined or random path to one. We draw the line at biological life and LLM, nothing else we are aware of can think.
- Comment on Has anyone or anything ever passed the Turring Test? If so how and why? 2 weeks ago:
Plants and animals work in completely different ways, but they’re both alive. Just because something works differently doesn’t invalidate it’s results and existence.
If LLM didn’t think, it would be gibberish - just words related to the input. Instead, they are typically logical, sound, relevant responses; often with insight made by extrapolated data in the periphery of the prompt.
What you are expecting is consciousness, which they do not have yet. Thinking, though, yes.
- Comment on Has anyone or anything ever passed the Turring Test? If so how and why? 2 weeks ago:
Your oversimplification is noted. I assume you believe humans are word predictors, too? Just biological, instead of mechanical. In both cases, using input and electrical signals to create an output.
- Comment on Has anyone or anything ever passed the Turring Test? If so how and why? 2 weeks ago:
Almost every LLM available can pass the Turing test, because they can indeed think. Some, like Gemini, will even give you a stream of consciousness as they think. However, many luddites expect perfection from the technology, so they will claim the thinking is inadequate, or that the test is flawed. Neither is there, they’re just very bitter about the technology for reasons unrelated to it’s capabilities.
- Comment on Men against bush 2 weeks ago:
Got a machine head! It’s better than the rest. Green to red, machine head.
- Comment on Men against bush 2 weeks ago:
I would disagree with your policy. Bush is a beautiful thing. Not only does it provide stunning contrast that perfectly frames their natural beauty, but it also acts as a hormone diffuser. I love to have my nose resting on a soft bed of perfectly perfumed pillow bush while enjoying a hot meal.
That being said, I am a vocal advocate of bodily autonomy so if they prefer no bush, that’s never a problem, but my personal preference is au naturale.
- Comment on priority queue 2 weeks ago:
Apple TV, actually. Margo’s Got Money Problems.