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Has anyone or anything ever passed the Turring Test? If so how and why?

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Submitted ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨Patnou@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨[deleted]⁩

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  • GatesMcBalmer@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

    Popular conception of the “Turing Test” is pretty inaccurate. What Turing proposed was a way of determining if a computer is thinking or doing something equivalent to thinking.

    His test was not for consciousness and it was not simply chatting with a computer to see if it could convince you that it is a person.

    What Turing proposed was called the Imitation Game.

    I’ve modernized it a little but the premise is the same. Think of a game show where there are 3 people all claiming to be a brain surgeon but only one of them really is. You get to ask all three people questions and if one can trick you into thinking they are the real brain surgeon when they are not, they win.

    Turing basically said that if a computer could play this game as well as any of the humans pretending to the brain surgeon, it must be doing something equivalent to thinking.

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  • Buffalox@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    It is widely acknowledged that many modern AI chat bots can indeed pass the Turing test as well as an actual human, maybe even better.

    So the new problem is that something is wrong with the Turing test, and we need to come up with something better.
    Because nobody sensible recognize current state of AI to be anywhere near strong AI.
    Or maybe we are performing the Turing test wrong? It can probably not be called a proper Turing test, unless it’s someone particularly skilled in it that performs it. Someone able to detect the answers without actual human experience behind them.

    We know AI can have very basic problems, like not being able to count the number of “r” in strawberry correctly, and act very confused about it when it’s explained that there are 3, and asked to spell the word out and count them.

    If the AI had consciousness and comparable intelligence to a normal human, such banal things should not confuse the AI.

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    • BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

      “something is wrong with the Turing test”

      Nope, there’s nothing wrong with the test. It wasn’t designed to test if it was “strong AI” or anything like that, it was designed to answer the question “Can machines think?” and at this point, the clear answer is yes they can.

      Are they perfect? No. Can you trip them up? Yes.

      Are both of those previous answers also true for humans? Yes.

      There’s plenty of humans that would struggle with counting the number of “r” in Strawberry, and most models are well past that level of failure. The current ones even recommend you drive to the car wash even if it’s only 50 feet down the road.

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      • schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works ⁨33⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

        “Can machines think?" and at this point, the clear answer is yes they can.

        To paraphrase Jordan Peterson, “define think.”

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    • dnick@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

      I may be an ai. I read that as ‘not being able to count to the number r in strawberry’ and I immediately wondered how you would do that.

      Then I realized that might be the perfect thing to start training it on by coming up with things like that in posts, as though that were a perfectly human thing to know how to do.

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      • BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca ⁨24⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

        The latest popular trick that they couldn’t figure out was telling it that you wanted your car washed, and asking if you should drive or walk to the car wash that was just down the street. The top end models can figure it out now, but the last set really thought it was a great idea to walk when the distance was so short.

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