Probably helps that I'm happy to listen to whatever genre

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• ViatorOmnium@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  My parents routinely started listening to several of my favourite bands when I was a teen.

  Do you have any idea how hard is it to be an angsty rebellious teenager when your parents are supportive of your tastes and phases?

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• Multiplexer@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  It’s been a while for a new rebellious music genre to appear, though…

  Kids, let’s go, we are waiting!

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  • Honytawk@feddit.nl ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Mumble rap is the rebellious version of old school rap.

    Just look how angry it makes old school rap lovers.

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    • MBech@feddit.dk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I generally don’t really like rap, but mumble rap just sounds lazy as shit. Like “I can’t even be bothered to open my mouth”. It’s also so stupidly monotone. I may just be an old man yelling at kids, but that’s music I will never understand.

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    • Multiplexer@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Might well be, rap seems to be a good candidate.
      Although in Germany I would rather see immigrant-influenced Deutschrap here, maybe connected to the Talahon youth culture.
      That would definitely fit the bill, as I certainly will never become a fan of any kind of macho ultra-conservatism.

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  • knatschus@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I love the strange genre merges by bands like electric callboy or hanabie but i doubt you can call most their fans kids

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    • Multiplexer@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Don’t know Hanabie, but Electric Callboy certainly is the ultimate comfort music for GenX and Millenials.
      The Europop-Techno-Metal mix massively tingels my nostalgia based on the music genres of my youth. Plus it is a surprisingly fitting combination and rocks on a massive scale. :-)

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  • Mozingo@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I feel like hyperpop is basically that. 100 gecs, femtanyl, etc.

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    • Multiplexer@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Just looked them up.
      Fentanyl I found classified as Hardcore Punk, which would already be around since the 80s.
      But 100 gecs seems to be something called Hyperpop, which is a genuine new GenZ thing!
      Sounds interesting, will have a look!

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  • madjo@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I hope it’s something like TechnoCountry…

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    • Multiplexer@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Remember Cotton Eye Joe?

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  • red_tomato@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Is Skibidi Toilet music good enough for you?

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    • Multiplexer@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The whole brainrot thing goes in the right direction, but is not really a music genre.
      The Skibidi song e.g. is pretty conventional stuff.
      The videos are the avant-garde part here.

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  • puppycat@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    you just need to go deeper (more underground)!

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  • IronBird@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    it’s always been punk music

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    • Multiplexer@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Growing up in a still deeply Catholic environment, and having heard all those Satanism-warnings in my 80s school classes (best promotion ever…) it was more Metal for me.
      But yes, also “Bad Religion”, for obvious reasons… ;-)

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• SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Unless it’s an AI song. If you link me an AI song I will bring back the beatings.

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  • doingthestuff@lemy.lol ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    youtu.be/Aldk90jrGNQ

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• GalacticSushi@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  SpongeBob me boy, that sounds sick AF! What’s the song so I can add it to me playlist? Arg arg arg arg arg!

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  • cm0002@literature.cafe ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    !suddenlyspongebob@lemmy.cafe

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  • GraniteM@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Cor blimey

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• Juice@midwest.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Mark Fisher, the author of Capitalist Realism, in another book called “Exiting the Vampire Castle”, argued that in the history of recorded music, every 20 - 30 years or so there were new genres of music that wouldn’t be recognizable as music to the previous generation. But around the early 2000s this process stopped, and musical categories hardened due to capitalist logic. Record companies just wanted to churn out the same things that they already knew how to market, rather than invest in artists who were cutting edge. He called it “the slow cancellation of the future”.

  Granted I think Fisher is kind of overrated as a practical theorist, all those CCRU research people went crazy, and Fisher is a particularly sad example. His vampire castle book is okay, and that generation was like preoccupied with marketing manipulation (a perspective that arguably was being marketed to them/us).

  But through that perspective this meme is interesting, because the reason younger generations can connect about musical tastes, is because popular music has stopped being subversive. Chances are the band the younger boy is listening to has a sound that was copped from an older group, which is why the young man recognizes it as good. But to the older generations, music was still subversive, the young rejected the old and proper categories of music, which were themselves subversive in their own time.

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  • lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    To play the devil’s advocate here: “music used to be subversive but now it’s all the same, nothing original” sounds just like a grumpy old man yelling at a cloud. Old people will find reasons to hate new stuff.

    This isn’t to disagree. I read Capitalist Realism and think the argument works. And personally, I remember how shocked I was to find out that Behind Blue Eyes wasn’t originally by Limp Bizkit but much older and that my mom listened to the punk rock band I liked as a teenager when she was young. My question might be if there ever was anything “new under the sun” but first and foremost, I like the idea as a devil’s advocate.

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    • Juice@midwest.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      sounds just like a grumpy old man yelling at a cloud.

      Yeah totally agree with you there. The book is actually pretty funny in that regard, he spends most of what I read talking about Tricky and 90’s Jungle, and really, really hating the arctic monkeys. He spent his last years talking about how leftists were too mean on twitter, so he’s like a spiritual influence on the rights war against “woke”. In response, the twitter left was really mean to him about it. Like there was something to it but he also missed the mark, even though he early on recognized the trend.

      But like I said those CCRU people like broke their own brains. Very sad. Except maybe Sadie Plant but she hasn’t published anything in a very long time to my knowledge

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    • zarkanian@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I remember how shocked I was to find out that Behind Blue Eyes wasn’t originally by Limp Bizkit

      Are you fucking kidding me

      What is going on here

      You listened to that and went “Yup, Fred Durst wrote that”?

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  • mindbleach@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    musical categories hardened

    That seems like nonsense, given how genres slimed together by the late 90s. Everybody was stealing from everybody else and the best we could do was throw around labels like “alternative.” ClearChannel made every genre pull toward country while country became R&B for hwhite people. Meanwhile the electronica scene had discovered computers - a development that took longer than you’d think - and a bunch of dorks styling themselves as DJ [noun] had MP3s all over piracy services. This is right before Youtube, SoundCloud, and MySpace let truly independent artists reach arbitrarily large audiences.

    If we really want to start an argument - there’s people who say anything generated literally is not music. Kids these days are growing up with the ability to drop a diss track on their friend for a faux pas that happened five minutes ago. Formulaic, yes, but immediately distinct from everyone listening to the same ten conventionally-attractive pop artists.

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    • Juice@midwest.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Actually he wrote a lot about 90s music in this theory, his main example of a subversive musical genre from the 90s was Jungle/D&B.

      I mean I don’t think its complete nonsense, this is definitely something that has always happened regarding the capitalization of popular music, Gramsci wrote about some of the tendencies, in his analysis of italian theatre and how monopolized capital exploited artists and small venues, back in the 1920s. I think the pressures certainly exist, especially because of the examples you mention, like clear channel, but also live nation and ticketmaster. Those pressures to homogenize and commodify music are objectively the result of monopolization of the music industry. Culture and economy are intrinsically bound up in one another.

      But also I feel that he sort of over stated his point, like his analysis is sort of warped by chronic depression and like fiercely hating the Arctic Monkeys.

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    • lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I think the point isn’t that categories hardened in the sense that they stay distinct but that there are no more experiments, nothing subversive. Stealing and mixing things you know work, is exactly that. Your kid’s diss track will be totally generic with no original idea. That’s the whole point of the comment above, not that it’s exact covers.

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• MIDItheKID@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  And then came AI generated music…

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  • drath@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    AI music still easily beats all the top chart slop in creativity and like 95% of actual musicians in production quality. Honestly, it’s probably the least shitty thing that came out from the AI hype-bubble.

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    • m0darn@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      So I’m pretty ignorant of the top of the chart I’d be willing to be a guinea pig. Do you want to send me like 3 chart toppers and an AI song and I’ll see which one is most creative?

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    • MIDItheKID@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Everybody is entitled to an opinion. And that certainly is one.

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  • relativestranger@feddit.nl ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    it was disney channel musicals here. and i actually didn’t mind (too much). some of those ok movies.

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• doingthestuff@lemy.lol ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I pretty much like good music from many generations and genres. But you know what I don’t understand? About 85% of the Beatles songs.The had a few great songs, but so many of them do absolutely nothing for me.

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  • yermaw@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    This is, in a nutshell, why music was better back then. Only the gold has stood the test of time. Most of it, like today, was shit.

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• user_name@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Actual, classic country is really good. It’s the modern stuff that’s all about loving Bush’s wars, drinking shitting beer, and hating gay people that’s the problem.

  Doc Watson, Johnny Cash, and Marty Robbins are all worth checking out, to name a few.

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  • kboy101222@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Some modern country is also great! Tyler Childers has multiple songs about fucking around and being a cokehead in Kentucky (he’s thankfully clean now). Then there’s his Country Squire album that’s very fun to watch videos from while stoned. It’s like some southern Yellow Submarine.

    Zach Bryan released an anti ICE song that I can’t currently remember the title of for the life of me.

    If you want more folk, Haunted Windchimes, The Ghost of Paul Revere, and Poor Man’s Poison are all excellent, with Poor Man’s Poison just straight up having multiple leftist as fuck songs. More mainstream you’d find Noah Kahan, who’s done some excellent music. It’s more pop folk than normal folk, but I’m still a fan personally.

    Basically, just avoid artists like that whiny little bitch boy Morgan Wallen or basically any of the mainstream musicians from the 80s to the 2000s and you can find some actually good shit.

    Also, both are mainstream, but Travis Tritt’s Trouble and John Michael Montgomery’s Sold are both absolute bangers.

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    • user_name@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Thanks! I’ll check them out; I know I was speaking in a broad generalization. For contemporary country, I’m a fan of Aida Victoria, to name one. It’s just, as OP said, those songs and musicians who produce “Republicunt siren songs.”

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  • ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Johnny Cash was his own genre.

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    • abbadon420@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I hate country, but I love Johnny Cash. His old man’s voice on his last album was just perfect.

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    • IronBird@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      that’s just americana

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  • cm0002@literature.cafe ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I find actual classic country to just be boring, but not boring with a beat enough for work music like Classical music.

    The modern country stuff I loathe for just like you said, being Republicunt siren songs lol

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  • zout@fedia.io ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    drinking shitting beer

    Please keep this in, it's hilarious!

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    • user_name@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Ahaha, I won’t correct 🫡

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• Rentlar@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Counter-point: AI-generated muzak.

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  • semperverus@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Counterpoint to both you and OP: AI generated country songs

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• xxce2AAb@feddit.dk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Additionally, auto-tune and trappy beats can go get fucked.

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  • Mozingo@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    OK boomer

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    • Multiplexer@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I don’t know… Wasn’t the first to use autotune Cher?
      You can’t get much more Boomer than Cher I would say…

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  • U7826391786239@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    t-pain without autotune or trappy beats!

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    • West_of_West@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Holy shit… I never knew. I could enjoy that, something I’ve never been able to do with T pain

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    • Gladaed@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Oh no! Bad Request

      Error: access denied: error in challenge meta-refresh: mismatched token

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  • rumschlumpel@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Nah, trappy beats slap. They do tend to get pretty samey, but the same could be said about a lot of classic music genres.

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• abbadon420@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I’d love to be that dad, but my daughter only listens to k-pop

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  • MIDItheKID@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Blackpink kinda slaps though.

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• U7826391786239@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  “i love all music!”

  “doubt”

  “i do!!”

  “ok here”

  “…”

  “that’s what i thought”

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  • cm0002@literature.cafe ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Sadness :(

    Image

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    • U7826391786239@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      the downside of avoiding youtube… just search “origin band.” any song will fit with my comment

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  • Multiplexer@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Or give them Igorrr, which literally contains all music…

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    • U7826391786239@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      i can dig it. would be awesome to see that show live and drunk af

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  • West_of_West@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I don’t know, the drums and guitar is pretty sick in that song.

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• thespcicifcocean@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  My kids told me about how they love something called phonk or something. I got excited, because I thought they said “funk”. I was very upset when they put on their phonk “music”. I was expecting something akin to Sam and Dave or earth wind and fire, but what I got was a cacophony of dying animals and a back beat so horribly off tempo that I couldn’t be sure that it was actually part of a song

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  • mika_mika@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    phonk is so 10 years ago

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• ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  It’s called Baby Shark.

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  • Zink@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    My son was the prime age for Baby Shark when it blew up a few years ago.

    I remember we were on a ride at a little local amusement park and some girls started singing Baby Shark.

    I was the dad that stepped in right on the beat and bellowed out “DAAAAAADDY SHARK DOOT DOOT…” with as much bass in my voice as I could manage.

    I grew up in a conservative household. Fuck that whole universe of attitudes.

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• dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  “Yarrr, add it to me playlist.”

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• jaybone@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I also consider myself to like all genres of music. Some country isn’t bad. Especially older country. Actually newer country isn’t that bad either, but it’s all often so tied into identity politics it can be difficult to listen to.

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  • Ryanmiller70@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I enjoy country music a lot when it doesn’t fall into similar traps to a few other genres where they just sing about the same things (drinking, women, nice cars, etc). I like the ones telling a story or singing about various phases of their life (serious or goofy). Stuff like Jamey Johnson’s “In Color”, Blake Shelton’s “Ol’ Red”, or Thomas Rhett’s “Sixteen”.

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    • jaybone@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The Beatles were influenced by Buck Owens. If you play guitar or just have an ear for music, listen to a Buck Owens greatest hits album and you will totally hear it.

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  • rumschlumpel@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Outlaw country is a whole thing and it’s very different from that cliche rightwing pop country stuff.

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• Baguette@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Counterpoint:

  Extratone exists youtu.be/8RAYlykjQrw

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• MyDarkestTimeline01@ani.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Maybe you should look at post-country, folk or folk punk.

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• humanamerican@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Sometimes its more traumatic to encourage their musical taste than to berate it.

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• prenatal_confusion@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Hippies. Kids need to be broken otherwise they won’t be ready for the world. Also it’s fun.

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