Submitted 2 weeks ago by LadyButterfly@piefed.blahaj.zone to science_memes@mander.xyz
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So many successes
I don’t like this logic. It implies that a person’s value depends on their achievements. The only difference between the two is what the most important achievements are. Ultimately, this reinforces the right-wing logic that there are people of different values.
It’s two people paying for premium at X. What do you expect 😐
Synthesis: All man is created equal, except those who give money to the richest man in the world for a louder voice on a nazi forum.
I thought that was Threads.
I would say starting an argument from a point of view which the other is guaranteed to agree with is a great tool to convince people.
In this case it’s pretty obvious that people who say shit like “women only exist to bare children” will also look up to people with great achievements to their name. As such these to beliefs can be played against eachother.
If it won’t convince the original bum saying the stupid, it will be a very spectacular way to disarm their logic in front of other people with similar but not so extreme opinions.
Sure, but it still reinforces the neoliberal view of humanity and ideology by affirming them. And what about all the millions of women who have not made any great scientific or other achievements and never will that did not have children by the age of 24? Have they failed in life?
but there are people of different values.
for example, people who think others are not worth much are themselves worthless.
Karl popper just started spinning in his grave
But all people aren’t of equal worth. There isn’t an official arbitrator but we get to decide for ourselves, and there isn’t a much better way to evaluate them than their actions.
The “all men created equal” in the… US consitution or declaration or whatever is complete nonsense.
Declaring people to have a certain value relative to each other strikes me as uncomfortably close to treating people as things.
That is a capitalist, neoliberal attitude at best. It is particularly popular in the USA, where children are taught to evaluate reality in quantitative terms. It is extremely important for US capitalism to promote this view of humanity, because it legitimizes the major social hierarchies in this society. It also legitimizes why children are allowed to go hungry, the poor are denied medical care, and other countries are exploited. After all, they are not worth it, otherwise they would not be in this situation. In the worst case, it is therefore the basis for right-wing ideology in the USA.
But ultimately, it is a normative decision that everyone makes for themselves. I cannot convince you with arguments. If you believe that people are fundamentally worth different amounts, then probably no argument can convince you otherwise. I can only say that I am glad not to have anyone like you in my circle.
Just throwing it out there, that scientific discoveries can be done by married mothers as well
Also, if you’re not married with kid at 24 as a dude, you failed.
I’m going to go out on a limb and assume ‘Jaicilgin’ failed.
I’d guess someone with that mentality started making crotch spawn at 16 or 17, perpetuating a genetic line that will continue to be about as useful to society as an indoor kite. The Stupid breed like rabbits.
Marie Curie was, in fact, a married mother when she did the work that earned her two Nobel Prizes in separate fields.
“Male Loneliness epidemic”
And these same people who are MGTOW, or “men going their own way”, are obsessed talking shit about women.
it’s “look at me !! …I don’t need you ! … … look at meeeeee”
Dude’s just trying to coerce 18^1-24 year-olds into having sex with him.
It’s not very effective.
<small> ^1 Letws give him the benefit of the doubt. </small>
Listen, power to women, and Vera Rubin’s work was amazing and she deserves every praise.
But nobody has ever proven the existence of Dark Matter. What’s proven is that our current mathematical models do not accurately represent the universe due to the way things move and effects of gravity, under our current understanding, requiring a large amount of mass that we have not observed.
Does that make sense? It could be that our models or understandings are just wrong, or it could be that there is some magical unobservable matter, but we don’t know. We haven’t proven anything.
What’s proven is that our current mathematical models do not accurately represent the universe due to the way things move and effects of gravity
This is actually the bit that Vera Rubin discovered. The summary of her discovery in the quote is the issue :)
The reason I think this is important is because we keep throwing money at bigger and bigger dark matter detection chambers, and we keep operating on the possibly incorrect assumption of dark matter while we create new theories.
Okay, Sabine, whatever you say.
How would you go about proving the existence of regular matter?
I think therefor I am, I guess.
A theory from a famous book I just read (not gonna say the title, not to spoil): dark matter is the matter that has collapsed into a smaller spatial dimension (2 or 1)
Tired of these see what the moron said reposts. All they do is promoting the moron.
Don’t feed the trolls aka don’t take the engagement bait.
This doesn’t even make sense from a (pretty stupid) “you have to have children” point of view, what is stopping women to have kids later in life, when they’ve got an education, know what they want in life, and are financially and mentally stable enough to raise them?
Of course I know the answer starts with “m” and ends with “isogyny”, but it’s a very stupid take even in its own framework
Well.
You see. J-douche up there? He likes ‘em young and thinks every guy does, too.
Ok, now listen to me. Please, PLEASE, never again say something like
it’s a very stupid take even in its own framework
You never know who’s reading this and I guarantee you that there is always someone ready to take that as a personal challenge.
Sometimes I do enjoy making conclusions from stupid and insane premises, can be a fun little thinking exercise.
I mean, I can always decide to argue with someone who seems to disagree but is willing to stick to the rules as argue in good faith. Who knows, maybe one or both of us can learn something. Likewise, I can always decide that someone is so far gone that there’s no point. But to categorically avoid any argument that sounds stupid is not helpful.
Those people are like that because a) they are genuinely bad people, b) they are fueling the fire on purpose, and c) nobody ever convinced them they are stupid.
To not let the a) and b) win, yes, we need to convince people that what they heard is wrong.
what is stopping women to have kids later in life
Menopause.
But anyway, it’s generally a good idea to have children earlier, because you’ll get to spend more time with them and you won’t be the weird old parent in the school. Also health reasons and whatnot.
As for misogyny, I think it’s mostly from one generation to the next and also more often women to women. Most guys that I know would rather postpone having children as long as possible for the same reasons that you’ve stated.
Menopause doesn’t hit before the 40s or so. Plenty of women have children in their 30s. At that point, they have had time to mature, get an education, and build stable circumstances to raise children. Yes, the consequences of the industrial revolution and so on, but those consequences also basically eradicated the child mortality we had before, for instance.
If someone knows they want a family early, good for them, but I don’t blame anyone wanting to experience life before passing it on.
Guarantee you he still thinks they are failures. His dick goes limp the moment he sees a woman with a job.
Natural selection. I hope he enjoys his self made “male loneliness” epidemic
A good place to drop a reminder to people that MILLIONS of blue-check twitter users are completely fake, they make American-looking profiles and names and then retweet and post tons of propaganda and rage-bait for engagement, because the couple dollars they make on a successful post is enough to make a living in India, where a majority of these people live.
No hate on India, every country has it’s share of people who are just trying to get by. But for the USA this is really bad because it means we are letting our entire society be influenced by people who have no stake in our future.
The best thing you can do is tell people to get off Twitter, no matter who they are. Tell conservatives too if you know any, the fact that most users are foreigners in disguise is a good enough real fact that should discourage them from using the site too.
More info on Elon having a broken dick please
People grow, contribute, and succeed on their own timelines. There’s no single deadline for a meaningful life.
Well no… There is a deadline, it’s called death.
Basically anytime before that is preferable really.
My female friend had a female doctor try to talk her out of a contraceptives prescription; that she was 28 and should be having babies…
It’s not a misogyny thing, per se, rather just people that define their lives by the templates supplied by societal stereotypes. Never take advice from a person that doesn’t think for themself.
people that define their lives by the templates supplied by societal stereotypes
This is literally institutional misogyny.
It is many things. Institutional misogyny can be a cause for some.
Doing something permanent at 28 could be shortsighted and I would agree with the doctor in that case but surely a prescription is just temporary? I don’t see why the doctor would advice against it
Women are able to perpetuate misogyny. Your comment seems like you think misogyny can only happen to a women from a man. Not sure of your actual intent, but it comes off that way.
per se “by or in itself or themselves; intrinsically.”
I had my son at 38. Speedrun: FAILED.
A novelist?? What a disappointment! /s
(But seriously, congrats, that’s no easy feat!)
My ancestors are ashamed.
(And thanks. :) )
Related: Gertrude Bell, mountain climber, archaeologist and overall badass british lady that helped shape the middle east post WW1. Despite being a woman, she managed to earn the respect of several nomad arab tribes, you know, those that see women as a man’s property? Those. To the point that, when she died, they all came to her burial and ensured she was treated like a queen.
A very good, 3h17m doc on her life - youtu.be/anjha4JNAWg
Why does he want women to marry several kids?
the sleepy right’s agenda is only satiated with children
I think it’s good for people to have children. At least one and preferably no more than two.
If we contain population growth, the riches already created are for the taking for generations to come and the planet finally gets a rest.
It does require a reckoning with the capitalist elite that would like to produce anyway, but I feel that may be coming regardless of our feelings towards children.
The types of people who believe a woman’s only “biological job” is to shit out kids are the same fuckers who haven’t achieved shit in their lives.
Don’t forget Noether! She discovered one of the most fundamental theorems of the universe: (paraphrasing) there is a 1:1 relationship between a conservation law (eg momentum) and symmetry (eg spacetime). This has shaped a lot of modern physics and helped explain otherwise unexplainable phenomena!
Hadn’t heard of her before! The theorem sounds interesting, but the Wikipedia article is a bit dense - I got that “any system with symmetry will have conserved values”, but I got lost on the implications. Would you mind expanding on her theorem?
Sure, the biggest implication is now we can look for symmetries in the universe and deduce a conservation law (with much difficulty by people way better at maths than me). This conservation law is not going to be broken by further refinements of our models, as it is inherent to the system. For example, you probably learnt about conservation of energy when learning Newtonian mechanics, but since this is a product of symmetry (in time iirc), then future refinements such as special or general relativity won’t break conservation of energy. The only way it could is if the symmetry is not fully accurate, like in quantum, where fluctuations in energy are possible, but very minor (providing phenomena such as the Casimir effect).
Most of the details are beyond me, and the maths certainly is, so please don’t take my interpretation of the literature as gospel!
McClintock did her Nobel-winning work in her 40s, and it went unappreciated for 30 years because nobody believed her. An inspiring story for sure, but not one of an elderly woman discovering new biology.
Looked up this fool on social and you guessed it! He’s super cringe with his wannabe lifestyle posts.
Welp. Seems I’ve already failed at life. Can’t go any lower than that. Guess I’ll just go live how I want now.
Lol. Lucky you.
I try hard to put myself into other people’s shoes but I find it impossible to imagine being as fuckin’ stupid as this.
Nah, he thinks men peak in their 40s and should be the ones hooking up with those 24-year-olds.
In reality he peaked in middle school.
*shudder*
That list does not affect him because he doesn’t consider those things to be achievements.
To be fair, they did say “biological job”
So I’d go with Rosalind Franklin who was 30ish when she did the X-ray diffusion thing and found dna was molecular.
Or Barbara McClintock, 46, work on “jumping genes”.
;)
“Dopey tit” is hilarious
Margaret Hamilton: Discovered chaos theory and then wrote the software landing the first people on the moon
And lately we have preserved a lot of different versions of the compiled/weaved AGU code.
This just reeks of ragebait/engagement farming.
Rage bait…
Lol if anything if you wanna go there just doing your biological job sounds extremely uncreative, it’s something I’d expect an animal to do, not a person. We are blessed by god or otherwise with the gift of reason, why must we not use it?
You should have kids if you want them and think you can provide a decent upbringing to them.
At least he wears his red flags on his sleeve.
All of those examples are just secondary achievements. The true purpose of us humans is to live and make life.
Everything else is just a bonus
The true purpose of us humans is to live and make life.
What dictates “true purpose” here? What need does making more life fulfill?
Your argument is either based on religious indoctrination, or a poor understanding of biology and evolution.
My argument is based on whatever chatgpt spits out
Sure; if you’re too simple minded to do anything except follow the animalistic urge to fuck and shit out another unwilling life into this already overpopulated world. Logically, there is no reason to have kids right now. Those who believe it’s the only thing that matters in life are basically biological puppets, unable or unwilling to recognize they are being driven by base level instincts. Basically one step removed from monkeys fucking in trees and throwing poop at each other.
Logic is for vulcans. We are humans
OK but did they have kids?
Fascist dickheads don’t deserve good answers, it’s hate that drives them not logic
Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Jaicilgin: literally hasn’t done shit
stoy@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Based on this evidence, I’d counter that he has ONLY done shit.
bampop@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
That’s his biological job