They don’t need to court developers, they need to court consumers. The games will be sold wherever people are buying.
Valve dev counters calls to scrap Steam AI disclosures, says it's a "technology relying on cultural laundering, IP infringement, and slopification"
Submitted 2 hours ago by OldQWERTYbastard@lemmy.world to games@lemmy.world
https://www.pcgamesn.com/steam/ai-disclousres-debate-valve-dev-response
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twinnie@feddit.uk 2 hours ago
CosmoNova@lemmy.world 54 minutes ago
Consumers have already decided mobile gambling slop is the most successful investment in the gaming industry. I don‘t trust consumers to know what‘s best for them.
oxysis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 minutes ago
Well yeah gambling is addicting, the mobile slop companies know that so they try to get people addicted to it. It’s really sad what’s happened to the mobile gaming space, as it’s so heavily dominated by gambling. Hell the entire world is being run over by gambling companies now. It’s a major problem that will have to be addressed at some point soon.
Katana314@lemmy.world 31 minutes ago
I think the studies showing how certain minds can be targeted and manipulated by dark gambling patterns made me think differently about gambling. I’d at least like lootbox gambling slop to be regulated the same as casinos.
Look how popular fantasy sports is now. It’s basically just the casino industry seeking out new avenues to cheat the definition of “Playing odds to win cash”.
rtxn@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
consumers
This is very much a pet peeve, but be careful about how you use “consumer” versus “customer”. They each imply completely different power dynamics.
moonshadow@slrpnk.net 17 minutes ago
This guy thinks he’s a “customer”
warm@kbin.earth 1 hour ago
It's very much consumer these days, people buy literally anything marketed to them.
Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 1 hour ago
The ethics and utility (or lack thereof) of AI is an important discussion in it’s own right. In terms of Steam though, I really don’t think it’s relevant. Players want it, that’s it, that’s all that should really matter. Am I missing some nuance here?
Darkcoffee@sh.itjust.works 50 minutes ago
They want it? I don’t know, the review score of Black Ops 7 begs to differ.
Personally I’ll give money to a hard working indie dev that may use AI to help in their work spiradically over a big company shoving AI in everything to replace workers.
grte@lemmy.ca 38 minutes ago
Perhaps they meant players want AI disclosures.
megopie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 hour ago
The reality is, that it’s often stated that generative AI is an inevitability, that regardless of how people feel about it, it’s going to happen and become ubiquitous in every facet of our lives.
That’s only true if it turns out to be worth it. If the cost of using it is lower than the alternative, and the market willing to buy it is the same. If the current cloud hosted tools cease to be massively subsidized, and consumers choose to avoid it, then it’s inevitably a historical footnote, like turbine powered cars, Web 3.0, and laser disk.
Those heavily invested in it, ether literally through shares of Nvidia, or figuratively through the potential to deskill and shift power away from skilled workers at their companies don’t want that to be a possibility, they need to prevent consumers from having a choice.
If it was an inevitability in it’s own right, if it was just as good and easily substitutable, why would they care about consumers knowing before they payed for it?
WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 11 minutes ago
That reminds me how McDonald’s and other gaat food chains are struggling. People figure it’s too expensive for what you get after prices going up and quality going down for years. They forgot that people buy if the price and quality are good. Same with AI. It’s all fun if it’s free or dirt cheap, but people don’t buy expensive slop.
U7826391786239@lemmy.zip 1 hour ago
relevant article theringer.com/…/ai-bubble-burst-popping-explained…
AI storytelling is an amalgam of several different narratives, including:
Inevitability: AI is the future; its eventual supremacy is both imminent and certain, and therefore anyone who doesn’t want to be left behind had better embrace the technology. See Jensen Huang, the CEO of Nvidia, insisting earlier this year that every job in the world will be impacted by AI “immediately.”
Functionality: AI performs miracles, and the AI products that have been released to the public wildly outperform the products they aim to replace. To believe this requires us to ignore the evidence obtained with our own eyes and ears, which tells us in many cases that the products barely work at all, but it’s the premise of every TV ad you watch out of the corner of your eye during a sports telecast.
Grandiosity: The world will never be the same; AI will change everything. This is the biggest and most important story AI companies tell, and as with the other two narratives, big tech seems determined to repeat it so insistently that we come to believe it without looking for any evidence that it’s true.
As far as I can make out, the scheme is essentially: Keep the ship floating for as long as possible, keep inhaling as much capital as possible, and maybe the tech will get somewhere that justifies the absurd valuations, or maybe we’ll worm our way so far into the government that it’ll have to bail us out, or maybe some other paradigm-altering development will fall from the sky. And the way to keep the ship floating is to keep peddling the vision and to seem more confident that the dream is inevitable the less it appears to be coming true.
speaking for myself, MS can thank AI for being the thing that made me finally completely ditch windows after using it 30+ years
Katana314@lemmy.world 28 minutes ago
Don’t forget, “Turns out it was a losing bet to back DEI and Trans people”.
This is something scared, pathetic, loser, feral, spineless, sociopathic, moronic fascists come up with to try to win a crowd larger than an elevator; Assume the outcome as a foregone conclusion and try to talk around it, or claim it’s already happened.
Respond directly. “What? That’s ridiculous. I’ve never even seen ANY AI that I liked. Who told you it was going to pervade everything?”
Darkcoffee@sh.itjust.works 54 minutes ago
It’s all they had to say for me to continue ignoring Epic.
Hadriscus@jlai.lu 1 hour ago
Based Ayi Sanchez
witty_username@feddit.nl 1 hour ago
Counters calls to scrap disclosures… I don’t follow
nokturne213@sopuli.xyz 1 hour ago
Some douche nozzle from epic games said Stream needs to scrap their AI disclosure requirements because soon all games will be AI.
Darkcoffee@sh.itjust.works 48 minutes ago
It also confirms what we already thought: these f***bucket big studios already think of gaming as a cheap product to generate money, not as a piece of art and enjoyment in its own right.
QuantumTickle@lemmy.zip 18 minutes ago
If “everyone will be using AI” and it’s not a bad thing, then these big companies should wear it as a badge of honor. The rest of us will buy accordingly.