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No one does that on accident. This will be far worse than most expect
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Submitted 2 months ago by SloganLessons@lemmy.world to [deleted]
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distantsounds@lemmy.world 2 months ago
idunnololz@lemmy.world 2 months ago
M137@lemmy.world 2 months ago
He makes the face that a 12-year-old would make when trying to be cool and do something they’re not supposed to. It’s a recurring thing with him, both acting and looking like a shitty child.
Rakudjo@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Well, since he did it in the opposite direction, it cancels out the first one!
spencerwi@lemm.ee 2 months ago
I feel like “noo it wasn’t a Nazi salute, or uh, it wasn’t intentional” is more of a “right of center” response instead of a “center” response, and “Elon Musk just did a Nazi salute on live TV” is closer to center, but otherwise this seems accurate
marcos@lemmy.world 2 months ago
On this case, the “noo it wasn’t a Nazi salute, or uh, it wasn’t intentional” is a “nazis paid me to say this” response. At best it’s “I haven’t seen it, and I don’t trust you” answer.
But well, the people criticizing “centrists” are usually on that later category, and usually for good reason, so their experience may be biased.
jonne@infosec.pub 2 months ago
None of the mainstream media wanted to call it out for what it was. They profess to be centrist, but you could indeed probably classify them as centre right, especially when it comes to economic issues.
djsoren19@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
The problem is that America has no mainstream centrist or leftist media. It’s either center-right or far-right. The closest we get to a progressive are comics like John Stewart and John Oliver.
5in1k@lemm.ee 2 months ago
I hate these filthy Neutrals, Kif. With enemies you know where they stand but with Neutrals, who knows? It sickens me.
roguetrick@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Tell my wife I said hello.
T00l_shed@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Code beige
Sergio@slrpnk.net 2 months ago
Is Saturday Night Live on this weekend? I hope they open with Musk the night before, practicing in front of a mirror. “First I’m gonna sieg heil, then twirl, then sieg heil again, then recite the Fourteen Words. No… maybe just salute, then do a HALF turn, then only HINT at the 14 words… People will get it!”
JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
I hope they just completely recreate one of Hitler’s speeches but with Elon instead.
Or better yet, that video of Hitler watching the Olympics while completely tweaked out
danc4498@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Yes, with host Timothée Chalamet. Interesting that space hitler is hosting snl after Musk did this.
Sergio@slrpnk.net 2 months ago
It would be awesome if they did something with this. But their corporate owners will doubtlessly forbid it.
NutWrench@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
What exactly is the “context” for doing a full-on nazi salute? Other than to show everyone that you’re a nazi?
jj4211@lemmy.world 2 months ago
He said the magic words “my heart to you” clearly clarifies that his salute was meant to be that, duh /s
blanketswithsmallpox@lemmy.world 2 months ago
You mean well before he actually said during the sieg heils
“It is thanks to you, that the future of civilization is assured.”
=
Elon Musk inner thoughts: I should Nazi salute. Do it. Do it you pussy. Think of the news it’ll generate. Think of all the votes, oh god I’ll make all the democrats cry that I’m a nazi when I’m not even a nazi! Fuck, lets do it!
nazi salute
Oh god that was awkward as fuck. Okay, let’s do it twice, then make sure they know I’m serious and it wasn’t just some weird fucked up tic I do.
nazi salutes again even harder
MMHPPHPHPHHHHHHHH SUCK IT AOC.
endeavor@sopuli.xyz 2 months ago
Who did he send his heart out to? Oh no. Oh nononono
blady_blah@lemmy.world 2 months ago
It’s right out of Trump’s playbook. You do something outrageous and evil, with just a smidgen of deniability… it gets them attention. That’s what they crave, to lead the news cycle, to be hated by the left but maintain enough deniability that the center and right will still be on your side. This is Trump 101.
TheMC42@lemmy.world 2 months ago
That is the fascist playbook. Testing the water to see what you can get away with now while normalising new levels of evil.
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
Heat of the moment, not everyone you don’t like is a Nazi
At least those are the excuses I’ve seen
Seasm0ke@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Heres context. At the time I didnt put together that he really meant the national kind. muskSocialist
Internetexplorer@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Because it’s not a nazi salute. You guys are acting like Nazis
It’s disturbing how aggressive you all are
GoodEye8@lemm.ee 2 months ago
There are gifs of side by side comparison with literally Hitler doing the exact same movement. There side by side gifs with neo-nazis doing the exact same movement. You have Germans saying “Yeah, that was totally a nazi salute”. You have historians saying it was a nazi saluta
But okay, let’s say it wasn’t a Nazi salute. There’s mainstream sentiment clearly indicating that people thought it was a Nazi salute and he definitely is aware of that sentiment. Why hasn’t he said “it wasn’t a nazi salute. I never intended to make it seem like it was.”? Any sane person would instantly try to distance themselves from being perceived as a Nazi because nobody, besides a dumbass nazi, would want to be associated with nazis.
Atomic@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
It’s literally, a nazi salute. And I don’t use the word literally often.
The only thing disturbing aside from the salute is people like you defending it
prime_number_314159@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I don’t like Elon. I think he’s not very smart, and I want him far from the government. I suspect he’s cozying up to Trump to get funding for SpaceX, and electric vehicle subsidies, and he’ll probably continue his underhanded battle against any kind of good public transit.
If you watch it as a video, he says “my heart goes out to you”, puts his hand on his heart, then does a throwing motion, that ends with his hand up, and out to the side. Then he turns to a different part of the crowd, and does the same motion again.
It’s not an accident, it’s an awkward gesture, because he’s an awkward person. A Nazi salute has the arm held up, and directly forward from the shoulder for some time. His arm is out to the side, and only there for a moment. Unfortunately, there are probably neonazis too stupid to know the differences.
Treating everything as Nazi symbolism means that more and more people won’t hear alarm bells when you say there’s Nazi imagery, so the media pushing hoaxes like this is bad for public discourse as a whole.
danekrae@lemmy.world 2 months ago
And what do we do with nazis?
samus12345@lemm.ee 2 months ago
crusa187@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
Punch them in the face.
danekrae@lemmy.world 2 months ago
That is a lot milder than what I was taught.
twice_hatch@midwest.social 2 months ago
Shoot them on sight, they’re enemy combatants 😏
HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
zooi@feddit.nl 2 months ago
Hammer in their head
Internetexplorer@lemmy.world 2 months ago
You guys are really disturbingly violent. Isn’t the Nazis being violent the reason why people don’t like Nazis. You seem just as bad
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 2 months ago
spechter@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
But you do realize they didn’t celebrate “not getting banned by court” with their small group of a few lads but winning presidency with likely a sizable chunk of voters fully supporting them in even their more crude views?
ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
No one on the left is crestfallen or surprised or whatever that wojak means that an oligarch is also a fascist. Or that a racist dipshit who praised the nazi party like last week happens to be a nazi.
LordOfLocksley@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Only valid for the American political.
All my friends here in Europe, up to and including centre right, are the far left wojak in this meme
endeavor@sopuli.xyz 2 months ago
European here. Our centrists would be considered left by americans and not a single one I know thinks it wasn’t a nazi salute who wasnt a right winger nut job.
Internetexplorer@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Why are you calling everyone who didn’t agree with names?
It’s shocking how aggressive you guys are.
zaph@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
A lot of people defending Elon but I still haven’t seen Elon defend Elon. Concerning.
LostWon@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
He reportedly did a tweet mocking people for calling him Hitler (which I saw in elsewhere since I’m not a user of his site). Incredibly, of all people, the ADL also chirped out the same “it was an accident” line as the media.
JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
ADL? What’s that? Aryan Defense League?
Elgenzay@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
I think he made some tweets about it
Lux18@lemmy.world 2 months ago
What did he say? I only saw him reply to a tweet saying that accusing everyone of being Nazi is getting tired, but I didn’t see that he actually commented on the salute.
ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
When you make a Nazi salute and you’re an average person making less than $60,000 a year and barely making ends meet … you are a right wing extremist Nazi that is hated by the general public.
When you make a Nazi salute and you control over $400 billion … there is cause for debate and questions about whether or not it was a Nazi salute
Internetexplorer@lemmy.world 2 months ago
This is all based on whether he made a nazi sign and he didn’t god you guys are relentless.
Sending your heart out does not make you a nazi
ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
endeavor@sopuli.xyz 2 months ago
Center here, it was a full blown nazi salute and every other european centrist I know also know it was a full blown nazi salute. We dont want to assosciate with the people saying it wasn’t a nazi salute, they are either insanely stupid or undercover nazis.
dafo@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Center-right, previously strong (not far) right. That was clearly two Nazi salutes done by a drugged out oligarch. There’s no way around it.
uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
As a European center, does that put you between the radical far left (community based government, right to eat, right to housing, right to education, medical care for all, meeting and exceeding the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights, etc.) and the radical far right (Monarchy, Totalitarian Oligarchy, the thing that Trump and Musk want, and will have to fight for)?
Or is it centrist as in between Neoliberal and MAGA?
endeavor@sopuli.xyz 2 months ago
It puts us at free education including university, free healthcare, shorter work week and days, human rights, right to self govern, limits to make housing affordable, electricity affordable, not to pollute, you know all the shit that we have and want to keep. Leaning left or right mostly means how you want the money for all that to come from and questions like how to deal with immigration. I personally believe the way to utopia is through making free specialized or higher education possible for even those who have nothing as educated population doesn’t elect stupid ass parties, is wealthy and pays more taxes to support the society.
extreme left wants to use violence in order to get rid of everyone they deem unfit for their ideal society extreme right wants to use violence in order to get rid of everyone they deem unfit for their ideal society
Internetexplorer@lemmy.world 2 months ago
It was definitely questionable. People saying it’s 100% are being unreasonable. There’s a large interpretation here.
And calling people names and trying to bully people into accepting your view is disturbing.
He threw his hand out from his heart and said my heart goes out to you. It’s definitely questionable.
Atomic@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Don’t point to a swastika and tell me it’s a windmill.
What was performed, is a textbook nazi salute. Start to finish.
endeavor@sopuli.xyz 2 months ago
No doubt about the gesture, only question is why a man from a nazi family backing a party who is changing the constitutuon in order to harass minorities would do auch a thing. 3 times in a row.
If you think the gesture means heartfelt thanks go do it infront of a synagogue.
FiremanEdsRevenge@lemmy.world 2 months ago
“My heart goes out to you” - Troglodyte response.
roofTophopper@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Complete bullshit. This whole, “no he was thanking and giving his heart to the crowd” excuse is such bullshit. There are so many ways to make that gesture.
The amount of hoops people will jump through to cover it up is mind-blowing. When it looks like a salute, when a country says it’s a salute, and when Nazis recognize it as a salute, yes, it’s a fucking salute.
Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
No there, everyone. I’m the center. Go check my history, you’ll be disgusted if you’re far left.
Yeah… this was not okay. We know what this is in the “center”. Fuck Elon Musk.
the_brownie@lemm.ee 2 months ago
The thing that bothers me most about this argument is, if it WAS indeed an accident, any decent person would be horrified it was taken that way, and would immediately clarify what they meant, or apologize and reaffirm that they are not a nazi.
And yet, it’s crickets from him. If he’s not willing to do that extremely basic thing, he doesn’t deserve the benefit of the doubt. He’s a nazi.
sumguyonline@lemmy.world 2 months ago
When we say Mangione the 1%, we mean all of them.
gedaliyah@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Exactly.
Almost like that’s the point.
uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
I do believe a lot of people – and the mainstream news media here in the states – want to believe this is normal and this is fine the way Trump kept wishing on camera COVID-19 was going to just go away on its own, even as CDC discovered enough instances to declare it has infected the community (e.g. the American public) and could no longer be contained via specific isolation.
They are so desperate to for things to be normal that they want to justify the outrageousness as within the threshold of normal any way they can.
I’m not sure, but Trump behaves as if he likes pushing that envelope, much the way he forced Robert Kennedy Jr. to eat McDonalds to assert dominance.
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
Your scale is way off, the whole scale should be between right of centre and far right
danc4498@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Shift that center to the right a little more. I think the true center would say something like “Why are we still talking about Elon Musk?”
HenriVolney@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
I hate that this is a meme.
tourist@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Do I think he did an actual salute? Honestly, I just think he got excited and tried to improvise some kind of “thank you” gesture. I’m going to forget about this in a week anyway.
Do I think he’s a nazi? Yeah.
Plus, the wealth he hoards can solve some societal problems forever. That’s more than enough for him to qualify as an evil bastard.
He’s going to gut all the government agencies investigating his shitty business practices.
That whole cabinet is going to fuck absolutely everything up astronomically.
thisguy1092@lemmy.world 2 months ago
As a republican…yeaahhh
vga@sopuli.xyz 2 months ago
The centre is the actual ones looking like the guy on the left. Everyone else is celebrating, either “I fucking told you so” or “yay our kinda guy”.
TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 2 months ago
That is an accurate representation of what is happening. Kudos to whoever made this.
CaptPretentious@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I don’t know what you hope to accomplish with these memes other than pushing people to the right… Like is that the goal? Because it seems like that’s the goal. It’s a constant strawman fallacy with the same bullshit format the far right uses in their memes.
Siegfried@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I know you people hate the center, but thats a pretty far right Portrait of the center
TypicalHog@lemm.ee 2 months ago
I don’t think it was an accident. I mostly lean towards it being a troll move to spark outrage.
Decoy321@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Comments locked due to numerous calls for violence. It’s one of the few things explicitly against the rules.
Passerby6497@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Multiple accidents in a row. Accidentally doing the same thing multiple times with a smile on your face. Enthusiastically making a mistake, repeating it, and not commenting about the mistake.
These are all examples of how people act when they make mistakes.
jonne@infosec.pub 2 months ago
Also accidentally following a ton of Nazi accounts on Twitter and replying ‘interesting!’ or ‘you’re absolutely right!’ whenever those accounts blame the Jews/globalists/immigrants for anything.
T00l_shed@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Also saying the afd was the way to save Germany
Ahrotahntee@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
Accident my hole, he wanted to see if he could get away with it. So far he has.
Ultraviolet@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I swear this admin could hang up a giant swastika flag in the Oval Office and the media would defend it as “they’re just honoring Usha Vance’s Hindu heritage, it doesn’t matter that it’s in a white circle on a red background, it’s a symbol of peace and prosperity”
eager_eagle@lemmy.world 2 months ago
it would have been better if it was a smile; he looked a bit angry while talking “about his heart”