Imagine Mongolia just started invading China and be like “MY ANCESTORS USED TO LIVE HERE”
Interesting analogy
Submitted 4 months ago by Mickey7@lemmy.world to [deleted]
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IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 months ago
Agent641@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Imagine the Australians descending on London like “Oh yea nah me bluddy rellys is fully from here aye!”
trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I would support that. After that Australia can join the EU, and they’re already in Eurovision.
TheBat@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Yes please. I’ll donate to that gofundme.
OmegaLemmy@discuss.online 4 months ago
This is Turkish nationalists with Turanist dreams
wieson@feddit.org 4 months ago
There’s literally a province called Inner Mongolia where the Mongols not just used to live but live to this day.
spirinolas@lemmy.world 4 months ago
The irony would be even greater if they were kicking out birds.
Korne127@lemmy.world 4 months ago
The problem is that this argument can really be made both ways. If someone said Israel shouldn’t exist because Palestinians used to live there before that, that’s just essentially the same argument.
uzay@infosec.pub 4 months ago
Israel shouldn’t exist because it’s a colonial apartheid state perpetrating a genocide. That doesn’t mean every non-palestinian has to leave either.
Fisch@discuss.tchncs.de 4 months ago
But saying that Israel shouldn’t exist doesn’t mean that the Israelis have to leave
Maggoty@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Okay hold on but what about the original Canaanites? Isn’t it their land?
beliquititious@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 months ago
Neither argument hold any merit and is an example of the tyranny of history. Who cares what a bunch of dead assholes thought was theirs? The people who live there (not the politicians who pretend to represent their interests) are the only people that have any legitimate claim to authority on what should be done about the region.
uzay@infosec.pub 4 months ago
It is especially meritless to equate people who claim the land based on other people sharing their religion having lived there a thousand years ago, with people whose grandparents got kicked out of their houses and who’ve had to live in an open air prison ever since while being subjected to regular attempts at ethnic cleansing.
kerrypacker@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Yep, maybe they could have a big fight, winner takes all.
samus12345@lemm.ee 4 months ago
Birds: Um, akshully, we’re more closely related than you are!
hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 months ago
Chickens 100% are just mini T-rexes.
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 4 months ago
InputZero@lemmy.world 4 months ago
They probably looked a lot more like birds than reptiles too because taxonomically speaking birds are actually dinosaurs.
unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 4 months ago
In my world understanding colonialism was never good, but anything after ww2 is just invalid. There needs to be some cut off date where we say “at this point everyone knew and we had international laws against genocide” after which it just becomes invalid.
ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 4 months ago
A little convenient that that the cutoff date is after Europeans divided the world for themselves.
carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 months ago
right? all colonial states are illegitimate
Maggoty@lemmy.world 4 months ago
It’s also a function of how far back are we willing to go? Are we going to split and merge countries? Or is it more important to get representative governments in place for the people that live there?
dx1@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Saw an excellent video from some Al Jazeera offshoot yesterday. The guy was explaining the concept that Europeans actually tended to put in minority populations in charge that were sympathetic to their interests - Alawites in Syria, the Hashemite monarchy in Jordan, European Zionists in Palestine - and that the borders were essentially designed for colonial administration instead of representing existing groups.
Microw@lemm.ee 4 months ago
Israel as a state or the Israeli people? Because most of the jewish immigration to Palestine happened before 1945
Shezzagrad@lemmy.ml 4 months ago
No it didn’t. Most of the Jews came after the Palestine nakba/massacre which made Jews feel unsafe in the middle east (jeez I wonder why, but also not their fault.) the Jews who came before the independence were all European terrorist who built armed settlements and militas Far away from Palestinans and Palestinan Jews as they didn’t support them.
spujb@lemmy.cafe 4 months ago
i disagree with your logic but you got to the right conclusion so cheers 😆
Churbleyimyam@lemm.ee 4 months ago
There’s a guy in southwest England whose family didn’t leave the village for 9000 years.
geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 4 months ago
Inbreeding mastery level: British
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 4 months ago
“Vegeta, what does the scouter say about his inbreeding levels?”
“IT’S OVER 9000 YEARS!”
Test_Tickles@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Even better is that the guy is 42 with no kids. I get that we all technically have ancestry that goes back to the first life on the planet, but this guy suddenly happens to have verified family lineage that goes back farther than any other human on the entire planet… And he’s the last one.
I pray that he consciously chose not to have kids… I know how soul destroying it can be to want to have kids but not be able to. But this guy… He suddenly, because someone needed a warm body to fill out their numbers to a nice round number, is directly confronted by a family lineage 9000 years old. And he’s the last. What an absolute mind fuck.hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 months ago
H-how did they get spouses? Nevermind, I probably don’t want to know.
chaogomu@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Spouses can move to the village, it’s just that the children never leave.
At least one parent was born in the village.
krimsonbun@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 months ago
Does this also apply to Native Americans or…?
deaf_fish@lemm.ee 4 months ago
Native Americans have a different claim. They are not claiming their ancestors give them the right to use the land. They have agreements with the US government. The US then promptly turned around and ignored their promises. The native Americans have the receipts.
Rooty@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Blood and soil nationalism is ok when its promoted by non-white people.
lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org 4 months ago
Agreements about historical land ownership only apply to white people!
Etterra@discuss.online 4 months ago
China is the same way.
mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 4 months ago
never seen such a bunch of 9-dash fantasies. the logic they use to posit these idiotic claims is breathtaking.
sirico@feddit.uk 4 months ago
Well that’s where t-rex lived
alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 4 months ago
Depicting Zionists as lizards isn’t great.
Maggoty@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Oh look, someone who thinks all Jews are Zionists and all Zionists are Jewish!
alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 4 months ago
That’s not the case at all, you can look at my post history if you want to know the things I think.
It’s just you generally want to avoid antisemitic tropes when you’re talking about Zionists because antisemites say Zionist when they mean Jew.
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Hungarian ultra-nationalists: “Since your kind was under my ancestor’s rule, you have to rejoin my country and learn my language, or else you’re a [incoherent antisemitic screaming]!”
johsny@lemmy.world 4 months ago
So all white people in america and africa should fuck off back to europe?
voldage@lemmy.world 4 months ago
So, listen, I’m not making a case for all of them, but…
Seriously though white people fucked stuff up for native americans and africans pretty hard, and just because it’s not discussed in the slightest and everyone (white people) pretend it’s not an issue, it doesn’t mean it’s not an issue. It’s less about white people though, and more about capital class that upholds the status quo, the by-product of which is the white supremacy - and that is very parrarel to the zionist claim.
johsny@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I agree. But I think it might be time for humanity to get over this shit. We’ve been killing each other about stuff old people did years and years ago. Let’s move on and use that money and time to improve things for everybody, no matter where you live or what you look like.
i_stole_ur_taco@lemmy.ca 4 months ago
I suspect the real solution is somewhere between that and corporate land acknowledgements.
johsny@lemmy.world 4 months ago
As I said elsewehere, we should all get over this shit and move on.
stupidcasey@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Hmmmmm, would this be a bad time to say Native Americans be like?
deaf_fish@lemm.ee 4 months ago
Well, the Native Americans have actual agreements that were made with the US government, that were then broken immediately by said government. They have the receipts. So this is a bit different.
dx1@lemmy.world 4 months ago
An appropriate response would be that Native Americans are still being oppressed, marginalized, having agreements violated, to this day, that they’re rightly due actual reparations and land back on that basis, but that the statute of limitations for these kind of claims, if you’re trying to devise some kind of universal ethical system to deal with them, may extend 100, 200, 300 years, for various types of claims, but not 2,000.
Krudler@lemmy.world 4 months ago
What reparations are owed to the Indigenous people of the Vietnamese highlands, perpetrated against them for centuries against the other Indigenous people of the Vietnam lowlands?
Krudler@lemmy.world 4 months ago
The cruel reality is that humans kill and steal from each other in competition for resources and security. Doesn’t matter if it’s a bullet to the head or a dishonored agreemen. Land belongs to nobody, and whoever shows up and beats the fuck out of whoever’s there now “owns” it. It is very hard for people to look at several hundred K of years of human history and realize it’s always been this way and never will change.
frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 4 months ago
Try it and let us know how it works for you. Be sure to say it to their face in real life. 150 years is like 4 generations, that was after a sequence of attempted genocides, and then there was another two generations of trying to whitify them (fun fact, football has lots of rules because Yale attendees were soft racist little bitches who need participation trophies even 100 years ago). So yeah, let’s see what happens.
stupidcasey@lemmy.world 4 months ago
For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me.
(Exodus 20:5, NKJV)
muzzle@lemm.ee 4 months ago
Seagulls be like…
frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 4 months ago
“interesting” that op won’t commit to an actual opinion on this. Could it be they agree but are too chickenshit to say!
recreationalcatheter@lemm.ee 4 months ago
I love it when the folks attempting to talk down to everyone else don’t know how history worked or how all those lines get drawn on the map.
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karashta@lemm.ee 4 months ago
You forgot the part where the komodo dragon’s “promised land” was full of Phoenician Canaanites they had to genocide first.
saltesc@lemmy.world 4 months ago
The same Canaanites from Noah’s son because after everyone was killed by a flood, God deemed them all to be good people worth saving?
He sure seemed to fuck it up and have to wipe out humans quite a few times. But that’s what you get for putting a tree in Eden for no other reason but to introduce sin to the innocent and trick humans into thinking Lucifer was the evil one.
And now he loves America. Just don’t tell the Italians.
Starting to see a pattern of bad outcomes for whoever makes a deal with this guy at the time…
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 4 months ago
You mean “was full of tasty snacks”.