voldage

@voldage@lemmy.world

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Fact Check⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:

  You’re misattributing hatred, and trying to twist my words into something they never were. You claim that I personally hate some people, and as a proof of that you cite me writing that (explicitly “as entity”) USA deserves to be hated by the world. Not only is USA not its people, I didn’t even say that I hate USA. I said that USA deserves hatred for what it does, and plenty of people that were negatively influenced hate it. USA is hated. USA did things deserving of hate. People are radicalized by this hate into extremism. Are you disputing that?

  Next, I never claimed that any violence against any people is rational. As a matter of fact, I explicitly stated that perpetuating this cycle of violence isn’t just. But people who suffered incredible violence from the USA won’t agree with me, and those people will continue harboring hatred towards USA.

  Third, I’m not adding line breaks when I respond from the toilet, get real. And neither am I “typing furiously”, I’m trying to explain to you why the phrase “USA deserved 9/11” isn’t emotionally charged and is just objective point of view. I don’t know what did you read from the “they didn’t deserve it” or many other points I made about the victims not being the ones to blame. Also, you still failed to explain your threat of me being “judged in exactly the same way you’re judging others”. So far I’m judging you as a troll at best and illiterate at worst.

  USA did nasty stuff that caused people to be radicalized and to take arms against its people. I don’t know how you’re reading from that that I approve of actions Al-Quaida killing innocent people. The blowback was expected. That doesn’t mean it was justified. You do have to understand that 9/11 was a result of USA foreign policy. I don’t know man, you should reread (or do that for the first time) my previous comments. Understanding the history that led to 9/11 is necessary to understand why it happened, and claiming that USA didn’t do a lot to deserve it happening is just either ignorant or delusional.

  Have you ever lost anyone? I don’t know if I need to explain how loss makes people act and believe in irrational things, or how trauma can reshape kind people into violent extremists, but I hope you can extend the same empathy you have for the victims to 9/11 to the victims of USA wars, and understand how the violence against people can make those people act violent. Are you saying that a young person seeing their whole family getting murdered by American bombs shouldn’t be expected to grow to hate USA? And if that person, through their entire life, is assured in this belief that all USA does is murder and pillage by seeing USA doing exactly that, are you surprised that they might become an extremist? Become irrational enough to do a terror attack? And if none of those make any sense to you, and you can’t empathize with any of those emotions to understand how was it USA’s action that led to this, how exactly do YOU think people get radicalized into this kind of extremism where they’re willing to do suicide missions?

  Again, none of those is to justify them taking a life, neither of their victims nor theirs. It is to reinforce the point that they didn’t become like this on their own. I don’t know is such a concept like understanding actions of someone who’s different than you is foreign to you, but just make the effort to understand how violence perpetuated by USA might have caused some people be willing to do things like 9/11. Or, to rephrase that, how “USA deserved 9/11”. Which wasn’t good. Nor just. It was tragic. Enabled and caused by USA. Are you following now?

  Also, I like how your reaction to long, structured arguments is “must be hateful”. You must have complicated relationship with books.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Fact Check⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:

  Who are the people you claim I hate, and what judgement have I bestowed on anyone? You’re barely making any sense with your responses. And I’m pretty sure you’re not reading mine.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Fact Check⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:

  USA as entity deserves hate of the world, and hate radicalizes people into becoming “psychopaths”. Acknowledging the fact that USA created opportunity for 9/11 to happen doesn’t mean it was good that it did. Even now, when USA is waging this senseless war with Iran and people see their families murdered for no other reason than Trump wanting to steal some money, that is creating more people so full of hatred and frustration, that they will see violence against anyone they associate with their enemy as justified. I’m not (and neither is anyone speaking of blowback) saying that the cycle of violence is good or justified, but recognizing that USA starting it and continuing to escalate it LEADS to the potential blowback is necessary. Furthermore, nobody is saying that Al-Quaida or Osama bin Laden bere justified in planning and executing 9/11. And I’ll even go as far as to say that they might have done that sooner or later regardless of USA murder spree in middle east, though it would be completely different timeline and very unlikely. They didn’t do that in vacuum, however. They had all the reasons (and don’t forget about training and weapons they received from USA) to hate, to be radicalized the way they were, to go crazy from the suffering that was inflicted on them. Do you understand now? Nobody is saying that 9/11 was good, or that Al-Quaida was good, or that the victims deserved to die. America deserved a blowback for what it did in middle east. It created support for those ideas in the minds of people who lost everything because of USA. The more hatred it caused, the more likely a blowback became. Only reason I say “deserve” is not the perfect word to explain it, is because the way it is usually used suggests some sort of justice being served, invokes emotions of satisfaction with someone bad getting punished and so forth. However, you claiming that “america deserved 9/11” means the same thing as “people who died in 9/11 deserved it” is just sophistry on your side. You know they aren’t the same statement. And if you didn’t, well, now you do. Stop being obstinate.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Fact Check⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:

  They did. They didn’t deserve it. USA, however, armed, trained and killed people who commited that attack, and did nothing to prevent this kind of retailation. If you kill someone’s family, hand them a loaded gun and turn around, you deserve to get shot.

  Not that “deserve” is the best word to explain blowback, but I’m sure you can bridge this gap in semantics, and understand that victims aren’t the people blamed in that context.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨A third so far!⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago⁩:

  ysk social democrats and democratic socialists are two different groups of people that disagree with each other on fundamental levels, this post is refering to the later.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨She's just defending her country⁩ ⁨⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:

  Yes, I was continuing the joke of the previous person, who treated “usian” as misspelling of Usain and replied with “run fast guy”. I hope it clarified things.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨She's just defending her country⁩ ⁨⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩:

  usian bald

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Genius⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:

  Reminds me of cylinder stuck in m&ms tube story, no other relation

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Operation enduring algae⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago⁩:

  I’ve heard it always voted Dems. Like clockwork. Except green.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Handy tip⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩:

  You wouldn’t download a thought-cow

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨which way?⁩ ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩:

  Why would humans wear pants? They already have hair. I know it’s just a joke, but it just doesn’t pass the bar of the minimal suspension of disbelief necessary to actually enjoy the humor.

  fish, though

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨FACTS⁩ ⁨⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩:

  Funnily enough both can get you stoned if you hang around the wrong crowd.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨UwU brat mathematician behavior⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:

  I also use dollars instead of integral symbols, I don’t do math though.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Great plan⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:

  General strike lets gooo

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Any relations experts?⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:

  As an awkard person I’ll admit that it would reassure me somewhat. I mean, I wasn’t going to but I’m glad it’s an option. It’s like feeling being accepted despite messing up before potentially messing up, which allows us to skip that dreadful moment between messing up and being either forgiven or despised. And come on, imagine shitting in a closet by, uh, mistake, and not fully expecting that your entire social live is now in ruins and you need to delete all of your social media and move to different country. It could be worded better, sure, but it’s a neat gesture.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨GET REKT⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:

  Well, check Jeffrey Dahmer media portrayal. It fed well into the “gay panic” of the times. Check this article from 1994: latimes.com/…/la-xpm-1994-11-29-mn-2780-story.htm… Emphasis of the lust, homoeroticism etc. being the driving factor of the murders, while there are no mentions of diagnosed mental disorders. And yeah, “murder gay” sold far worse than, for example, “murder black” which is a timeless classic media go to each time any socioeconomic strife involving any black people happens. Seemingly the public was less receptive of the “murder gay” narrative so they eventually moved on.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨GET REKT⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:

  You seem to misunderstand humor. It is humorous specifically because there is no link between murder hornets and the aformentioned groups of people that USA “waged wars against”. The fact that you’re stressing that the joke “took extreme liberties” is kind of absurd - that is the point, to subvert expectations. Which is a part I already explained in the comment in which I explained the joke once. Let me go in for a deeper dive.

  The language of “USA waging wars on XYZ” is often used by media to fabricate distorted view on reality, in which a group of people is presented as threatening to the country despite the opposite being the case. That language is well known and it is well estabilished as a useful propaganda tool. Reaction to usage of that language in cases that warrant outrage (as in, for example, for groups of people I’ve mentioned in my first comment) would often be one full of sympathy towards the victims and, at the very least, distrust towards the media outlet that used it. All of that sits well within the expectations of the reader.

  The aptly named murder hornets however murder bees, which almost everyone knows is a bad thing for the world in general. There isn’t much things that would make people in general think “that’s bad”. They do not have a good reputation and none reedeming qualities.

  They’re not what you would expect one to defend, you would not accuse USA of a psy op to smear their name, and you would not think that they perhaps have a stockpile of oil that that old, dastardly United States of A wanted to steal. And that’s the subversion of expectation, portraying the murder hornets as victims of USA propaganda and comparing them to unjustly prosecuted people. That’s the humorous part. Do you get it now?

  You’re trying to somehow tie it to the work of people that pulled this off, but you only could go for calling that disrespectful if you believed any disrespect was meant, and that would require you to believe my (already explained) joke was meant as serious defence of the hornets. And I’m sorry, but that’s just dumb. I don’t feel like you misunderstood the joke, but rather that you’re trolling for the sake of rage baiting. I’d appreciate it if you stopped.

  And if you understood all that and still feel like my joke wasn’t funny, I’m sorry, it does seem you aren’t a part of audience that this joke was meant for, and my frivolous joke-comment written while morning-pooping did not brighten your day. I’m sure something else will, as long as you put effort to find it. Good luck!

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨GET REKT⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:

  Funny, that’s exactly a reply one would expect from a 4chan dweller. Is there a miniority or other group of people that USA demonized for profit that you’re angry I’ve neglected to mention in this joke about imperialism and hornets, or was there something else that triggered you to go in swinging with insults? Apparently at least one other person found it funny, so I feel like the reason the joke didn’t land with you might have to do with you not being the target audience, whatever it might be.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨GET REKT⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:

  I appreciate that, thank you.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨GET REKT⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:

  That was a joke about USA assigning threatening labels to anything it threatens or exploits to make public afraid of it instead of being supportive of it. As most jokes, it based on the subversion of expectations, which in this case was the suggestion that hornets are good and misunderstood. Comparing them and what they’re doing to bees to gay or black people was intended as a sprinkle of dark humor, implying their (hornets!) destructive nature finds parrarels with the multitude of oppressed kinds of people.

  Way to tell me I’m unfunny and my sense of humor sucks, man (jk)

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨GET REKT⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:

  Yeah sure “murder hornets”. Like “murder japs”, “murder communists”, “murder vietnamese”, “murder gays”, “murder blacks” or “murder arabs” before. I think I’ll hold off celebrating until I know how much oil those hornets had in stock.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Interesting analogy⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:

  So, listen, I’m not making a case for all of them, but…

  Seriously though white people fucked stuff up for native americans and africans pretty hard, and just because it’s not discussed in the slightest and everyone (white people) pretend it’s not an issue, it doesn’t mean it’s not an issue. It’s less about white people though, and more about capital class that upholds the status quo, the by-product of which is the white supremacy - and that is very parrarel to the zionist claim.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Donuts are good for you⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:

  In this economy???

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Binary search⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:

  And why should we trust you about that, you cio talker

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Please be patient.⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:

  don’t worry guys I’m keeping track of it it’s moving very fast but oh fuck sorry guys my bad

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨You're not you when you're dooming.⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:

  Only thing I can promise you with somewhat high degree of certainty is that you won’t stay that way for long. 2-3 years tops.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Cucumber 🥒⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:

  As we well know all women and men in history that lived together with someone of the same gender were just friends. There are many historical records in which esteemed historians depicted the factual truth of deep friendships. Luckily for the rest of us, those noble seers always knew all context required and bore no prejudices towards anything whatsoever. That is a model cucumber. It even tastes like one.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Centipedes Don't Fuck⁩ ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩:

  I was ready for lizard people but bug people is where I draw the line.

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Twitter⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago⁩:

  Didn’t they? I thought they released the second one a bit later

• ⁨Comment⁩ on ⁨Kids⁩ ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago⁩:

  you seem angry