Submitted 1 month ago by DuckWrangler9000@lemmy.world to games@lemmy.world
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Nothing more disappointing to me than seeing a game I might enjoy… and then it’s only available on PC on Epic Games store. Why can’t it be available on Epic, Xbox game store and Steam? It’s so annoying, like you have no choice but to use Epic… which I would literally do ANYTHING not to use.
I just wait until the exclusivity expires and then wait for it to go on deep discount because at that point I’ve moved on.
what is the problem with epic? I like the weekly free games
they pay devs (mostly indie) millions to make their games exclusive to epic for up to over a year. i’d rather not support a company that pays to limit your choice as a consumer
I guess I don’t feel limited because I already have an epic account, which was free to create
Oh no, they gave indie developers guaranteed money and helped finance the completion of their games!
I get a game and indie devs get millions. When you put it that way, it seems morally better to use Epic over Steam.
I prefer steam, I’d like to be able to choose what platform I buy a game on. Outside of just not wanting a 5th launcher because I hate having a billion launchers, Steam has many features the EGS doesn’t have. Free cloud save backups and screenshot backups, steam workshop for mods, remote play together, game streaming, etc. I also really like steam having player reviews too.
I also really like steam having player reviews too.
Hey! Epic has a review system too! But it’s nowhere near the standard system someone would except
fair
Copying my reply to someone else:
Epic is anti-customer: medium.com/…/why-i-turned-down-exclusivity-deal-f…
Tldr: Kickstarter Game with a lot of interest while in development announces a release date on Steam. After the date announcement they get contacted by Epic saying “we’d love to host your game” for an exclusivity deal.
Dev responds that they would be happy to have their game on Epic but promises were made during crowd funding that it would be available on Steam.
Epic replies that they aren’t interested if it’s not exclusive.
This tells me that
Well mine is pretty petty. Every time I start up my system I’m spammed by epic advertisements in the lower right. It’s just so obnoxious, particularly since I’m on my couch and using my controller, so I have to pick up keyboard to dismiss those.
I’m so lazy I haven’t bothered to investigate options to be fair, but broadly speaking I don’t like how much it screams “look at me, look at me!” when I had no intention of interacting with their store/launcher at all that time.
I like them too but I’ve noticed that some games are not updated to the same version as their Steam counterparts.
Because no one gives a shit about epic? Even devs contact care to update their games there as much as steam
I refuse to use epic, didn’t even have an account
We have a ton of the free games. They give away a bunch to get you to use them.
Never paid for one from them, though.
If your enemy is going to help you beat them, let them.
So, Epic is your enemy and Valve is your friend?
I wish Valve would get off their ass and make games again so they’d have a proper engine to rival UE5.
Half of Epic’s gamestore wouldn’t exist if this was the 2000s when people were flocking to the source engine because it was free and heavily modded
They have a rival it’s called source 2. That’s what CS, Dota and hl:Alyx used.
I mean, they have Source 2, but to call it a rival before it’s even made it to third-party developers (Facepunch games is effectively second party) is a bit of a stretch.
I’ve never had any issues with pirating said games myself
Just circle back in a year and buy at a discount on steam XD.
I haven’t created an epic account even for the free games I don’t care how many awesome games they give out for free. Fuck Epic
I created an epic account solely for the free games, which I claim and never play. Fuck Epic. I still haven’t forgiven them for ruining Rocket League.
Downloading the games does not cost Epic anything. They paid a flat rate to make it free to download, regardless of how many people actually download it.
You signing into the store and claiming the free games provides user metrics that Epic can use to entice investors.
Excuse my ignorance. What did Epic do?
Copying my reply to someone else:
Epic is anti-customer: medium.com/…/why-i-turned-down-exclusivity-deal-f…
Tldr: Kickstarter Game with a lot of interest while in development announces a release date on Steam. After the date announcement they get contacted by Epic saying “we’d love to host your game” for an exclusivity deal.
Dev responds that they would be happy to have their game on Epic but promises were made during crowd funding that it would be available on Steam.
Epic replies that they aren’t interested if it’s not exclusive.
This tells me that
Basically watch games being promoted on steam pre-release and when games get popular, reach out to them and offer them money to be exclusive on EGS for a period of time despite all the publicity the game got being on Steam.
But One Must Fall 2097 was pretty sweet
Think of it as a “this game is not yet available for purchase” seal". It may also mean “we know our game is not up to standards (it wouldn’t sell well on Steam), so we chose to let idiots at epic decide if they want to pay for it, and hey it worked so that’s something”.
There’s always one more option. In fact, this is the only instance I find myself using that other option now-a-days.
So I own some games on epic store cause they were free and I said fuck it I’ll up for free games.
Haven’t installed the epic games store yet, and it’s been years. The benefits don’t outweigh the drawbacks, clearly.
Same.
And I hope they can see I’m not even interested in their free games.
I use Heroic and got all their free games. I also have Prime so I get more free games on Epic. But Hell will freeze over before I buy a game on Epic.
It doesn’t upset me. It helps me decide which games to avoid wasting my time and money on.
Steam le good, Epic le bad. Amirite? Updoots pls.
It is also available on the pirate bay.
TPB is a honeypot now.
Available on both Apple and Google stores? That’s a near instant pass to me, too.
They say: “Sonic Dream Team is an Apple Arcade Exclvusive, maybe we’ll do a port one day if our contract allows” I hear: “Sonic Dream Team is in devleopment hell and may never be released”
I hate when companies inconvenience me while trying to disrupt a near-monopoly by my benign benefactors.
Are they trying to disrupt a “near-monopoly” or is Epic trying to create its own monopoly through exclusivity deals?
I wonder how much Epic games makes at the end of the day. So most companies that do stuff like this operate at a huge loss, functioning only through investment capital until they starve out their competition and become the head of a monopoly at which point their investors become even more pointlessly wealthy. However I believe this works so often because those competitors are also operating off of investor capital and eventually their investors decide to sell out and switch teams to get some of their investment back. How does this work with Valve? Unlike companies previously discussed Valve is a privately held company and has control over their own company, on top of the fact they are currently the leader in online game sales, I’m unsure how epic can justify, what i would assume, is a huge sum of money constantly paying for exclusives. Maybe im wrong and the pie is so large Epic is currently operating financially soundly. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Regardless we should all be happy that this market is not a clear cut monopoly, competition is a consumer win.
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What about Windows Store 😏
It seems you don’t know, but we don’t talk about that
I know this is unpopular, but I don’t understand why people care so much about which storefront they use to buy a game. I buy it where it is cheapest.
Hell, Epic takes less of a share of the sale. It is better for devs.
For me, the social aspect of the store I buy games from is irrelevant.
One reason is Valve has put a fuckton of effort into linux support. So for linux users, buying a game on Steam means it’s probably going to work right out of the box. Buying from Epic, it’s a crapshoot.
For example, I spent hours trying to get Red Dead Redemption 2 that I had bought from Epic to work. Never did, something with rockstar launcher compatibility. Gave up and bought it again on Steam, worked the first time I hit play.
Hell, Epic takes less of a share of the sale. It is better for devs.
88% of 1.000 vs 70 of 1.000.000? Which one is better? People don’t like what they did with exclusives. I’m kinda okay-ish if you keep the game you founded locked on your store for a year or 2 but not all the games you get by paying devs to release it exclusive to some shitty launcher
Yeah, and it’s a nightmare to use with Steam link. The last epic exclusive I bought was The Expanse, but adding it as a non-Steam game to play with the link app completely screwed up the license check and locked you out of everything but the first episode.
Never again.
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Both are horrible mess, I don’t really understand this deepthroating of steam their ui is horrible, they do behave like a monopoly, games by them have drm by default. Same can be said about epic.
No, Steam games do not have DRM by default. By default Steam is a mere download manager. For Steam DRM to be applied, the publisher has to run the drm_wrap command: partner.steamgames.com/doc/features/drm
Feel free to use SteamCMD: developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/SteamCMD
Where do you get those lies from? I’d kinda get it if Steam’s documentation for publishers was behind a NDA wall but it’s public.
Ok, sorry I was wrong. So I can filter out drmed games on steam, right?
How dare you speak out against Steam?! Can’t you see they’re the good guys?!
I’m happy that they’re talking about moving the Unreal Engine off the platform.
I just wait, not like I already have a ton of games to play with
Honestly we should probably have more places to buy games not just steam. Because remember when gabe newell dies there’s no guarantee that steam will still be “good” they are still a corporation. So if epic needs exclusives to keep going we should support that. Competition between corporations is a good thing.
No, epic is already significantly worse than steam and hasn’t gotten better in years. We could use good competition, that is for sure, but Epic with all of its exclusives should not be celebrated.
Epic games launcher is no where best as bad as anyone says. The storefront is also one of most responsive ones, especially compared to the likes of GOG.
For me, I just buy a game wherever it’s cheapest. Like I got satisfactory on epic because I could get it like £15 cheaper than steam.
Like I don’t understand why people are so irked by a steam alternative. It’s not like it requires new hardware to play it’s exclusives like with consoles. Aren’t we all supposed to be against monopolies, steam needs competition, look at how shit its sales have been for like 10 years now compared to what they were like prior.
why people are so irked by a steam alternative
I’m not irked by a Steam alternative. I’m irked by Epic Launcher. It’s so incredibly slow to start up.
Also not available on much more than Windows.
When was the last time you used it?
Also use Heroic launcher to bypass the bloat.
Wait until you read all the problems people have with EGS!
I’ve read people complaining they lost their account and support couldn’t do shit because “of security reasons” while steam needs a few stuff and you get it back. I’ve helped someone getting his steam account back after someone stole his account changing mail + password in like ~12 hours (?)/1 day
I’ve experienced losing my old email address, and all traces of my old digital identity. They went above and beyond to work with me till I could prove to their satisfaction that I was the original owner of the account, then restored it to me. Steam support is generally amazing.
Epic games launcher is no where best as bad as anyone says.
Is it better now? Last I used it, earlier this year, it still took me half a year for any UI change to happen when I did anything.
It’s fine, it lists the games I have, installs and updates them and I can press play to play them without anything like pop-ups getting in the way.
Aren’t we all supposed to be against monopolies, steam needs competition
Steam is not a monopoly. The vast majority of PC gaming revenue is made outside Steam. Fortnite: EGS only, not on Steam. Minecraft: own web storefront and Microsoft Store, not on Steam. Roblox: I think it has its own storefront, it’s not on Steam.
Steam has an estimated revenue of 8.6bn out of PC gaming’s overall 45bn. It’s very far from even approaching 50%, let alone surpass it.
I don’t mind other storefronts. What I mind is people spreading the false narrative as if one of the most widely installed storefronts (EGS because of Fortnite) is somehow the little underdog.
Steam has an estimated revenue of 8.6bn out of PC gaming’s overall 45bn.
Do you have a source on that? I’d love to quote it in future
I’m gonna have to agree. It used to be about the most slow and bloated thing in existence, but they actually fixed a lot of performance issues last time I checked. It’s still slow, but in the same time period Steam on Windows decided to add a pointless splash screen increasing the load time by 4x, letting Epic take the W by a wide margin in load times, while responsiveness is a draw.
Yes, I know that Steam is more feature complete and consumer friendly which is why I still prefer to buy from Steam when possible.
If the list on PCGamingWiki is up to date, there aren’t many Epic exclusives anymore (only 26 currently): pcgamingwiki.com/…/List_of_games_exclusive_to_Epi…
And, earlier this year, Tim Sweeney said that many of exclusivity deals weren’t a good investment while the free games have been “magical.”
So, it seems like a problem that is solving itself over time. Epic will probably still have exclusives going forward, but I would expect them to target a few high-value exclusives like they got with Alan Wake 2. Or, maybe they will just do more acquisitions of games to self-publish, like they did with Rocket League and Fall Guys.
If there’s an epic games game you want but don’t want to use the epic launcher or you’re on Linux, Heroic Games launcher id a good choice
You wouldn’t complain if it was only available on Steam so fuck off
Steam doesn’t engage in the same kind of strong-arming and anti-consumer practices, so it’s not exactly comparable, is it?
The fact that they take a 30% cut and it’s used to enrich a billionaire is very much anti consumer.
I’m so salty I STILL won’t buy Satisfactory.
I’m sure World of Goo 2 will come to Steam someday. I can wait.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I get it being annoying… But why is it such a deal breaker? Like, why not just install it, play the game, leave it when you’re done?
ampersandrew@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Speaking for myself, if it’s Epic only, it means I have no assurances as a customer that they’re going to keep letting me play the game on Linux. If I bought Alan Wake II, I’m doing so knowing that they don’t support my operating system and could break compatibility with Wine with any random update. If that happens on Steam, I can reasonably expect a refund if it was previously Verified, and because of the verification system, they also have an incentive not to break compatibility. So if I play Alan Wake II some day, it’ll be because it was a free giveaway on Epic, because I’m not paying for that.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Now this is a good reason.
And random note, but I didn’t get a notification for this reply?
stardust@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
I just save my money and play something else or buy something else. There’s more games than can be played that I’ve never felt like I was losing out by not buying a game from epic.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Right but I dont see how its anything but a minor annoyance.
Like, if the game is really good… What is so bad about installing the epic client? Its like a few minutes.
Vespair@lemm.ee 1 month ago
Some people prefer not to do business with entities whose business practices they don’t support.