Google now requires JavaScript

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• perishthethought@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I hate how these kinds of messages never explain WHY. It’s just “Do it. Do what we tell you.” 💀

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  • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    BOW TO YOUR MASTERS, AND SUCK OUR DICK!!!

    I remember 10 years ago looking at a calculator app in the android app store, and seeing the permissions. And thinking “WHY THE FUCK DOES A CALCULATOR NEED MY LOCATION, AND ACCESS TO MY PHONE CONTACTS???”

    Fuck THAT.

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    • FuglyDuck@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      What dick? pretty sure it’s fallen off from all the STD’s.

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    • Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I found out yesterday the Samsung camera app will not function without “Nearby Devices” permissions. Utterly ridiculous.

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    • sleen@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      All those years, and I still have no explanation why some apps want my browsing history.

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  • Kyouki@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    For ads, tracking and spying of course.

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  • tomi000@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Probably because 99.999% of users already use JS and dedicating a web page to it is already more work than they needed to put into it

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    • fuck_u_spez_in_particular@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I think it’s just to avoid explaining why, and how they harvest your data. That said, I also hate how a lot of errors of the big corpo are just like “This site has an error” no error-code, no further feedback what to do etc.

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    • stratoscaster@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      No no it’s more interesting if it’s for evil corporate reasons! Lmao

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  • LodeMike@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Because they dont need to

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  • Hyperlon@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    A lot of websites are react which doesn’t function without JavaScript. It’s a more powerful tool for web dev and can be a better experience for the user if used right.

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    • perishthethought@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Great. If that was their reason, they could explain that. But they didn’t and that’s my beef.

      But since you seem to be tech savvy, you also already know why they don’t explain which great features of react they want to use on this page. And we all already know it’s not for the user’s benefit. It’s for money they receive from data mining every minute of our lives.

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  • Artyom@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Because if they typed out an honest reason why, you would avoid them like the plague.

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• moon@lemmy.cafe ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  html.duckduckgo.com/html/

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• csm10495@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I know this may come off as a surprise: but I imagine that requiring JS in 2024 isn’t a big deal to most people.

  Now of course Lemmy skews more into that small crowd.

  I don’t blame any website for requiring JS for full functionality in 2024.

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  • SomethingBurger@jlai.lu ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Google is a text input and a list of links. It should work without JS.

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    • filcuk@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It’s far more than that. Even on a basic search page. Ever expanded the ‘Peaplo also ask’ section, for example? It loads more results based on your scroll position or interaction.
      There’s loads of little things like this, you may just not notice or care about it - which is another discussion.

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  • PresidentCamacho@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    All of the people replying to this saying you shouldn’t need JS are totally unaware how modern web development works.

    Yes, you could do many sites without JS, but the entire workforce for web development is trained with JS framework. To do otherwise would slow development time down significantly, not allow for certain functionality to exist (functionality you would 100% be unhappy was missing).

    Its not a question of possibility, its a question of feasibility.

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    • SSJMarx@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      My question is if it wasn’t required before and is required now, what changed? It’s not like Google has added a killer feature recently - this is almost certainly related to those shitty AI answers that are forcing your actual search results even further down the page than they were already.

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    • SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I wish JS would die and we get nice and simple websites back. I hate web dev so god damn much. The internet is pure enshittification

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    • ClassifiedPancake@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I’m a React dev. You can create server side websites, written in JS, that don’t require JS to be turned on in the browser. Granted, this just became a new official feature in React but has already been available with React frameworks like NextJS

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  • Flipper@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    For full functionality sure. For basic functionality no. Searching on Google is basic functionality I’d say.

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    • unrelatedkeg@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Not really. Showing ads and gobbling up data is Google Search’s core functionality, and JS is indispensible for that.

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  • stoly@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    You should still be able to use something like Lynx to browse and search. There’s no reason to block basic functionality except that you can and don’t care.

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  • potentiallynotfelix@lemmy.fish ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I agree that it’s not a big deal, but there still should be an option in my opinion. It can be a lifesaver to be able to search on older devices.

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• superkret@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  DuckDuckGo doesn’t ;)

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  • abbadon420@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Sundar Pichai is the admin for that community, didn’t you know?

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  • Mwa@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    i use startpage ;)

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• wesker@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  You’re stillusing Google search?

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  • m_f@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Sometimes, yeah. My default is DDG, and I also use Kagi, but Google is still good at some stuff. Guess I’ll take the hit and just stop using it completely though. Kagi has been good enough, and also lets me search the fediverse for finding that dank meme I saw last week. Google used to be able to do that, but can’t shove as many ads in those queries I assume, so they dropped that ability.

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    • PennyRoyal@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Use the bangs in DDG, eg !g asks DDG to search google

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  • Psycoder@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I don’t think I used Google it the last 5-6 years. It’s duck duck go all the way.

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• DontMakeMoreBabies@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I love that society is basically stratifying into groups based on tech knowledge - it all seems very Cyberpunk.

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  • Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    As someone with technical knowledge sometimes I get locked out of things because I block ads or refuse Javascript. For instance, I had to turn off my pihole so I could sign into my Microsoft account to play Minecraft. Or the times I encounter a website that breaks on Firefox.

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    • kalpol@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      The Microsoft Minecraft login thing is getting pretty insane.

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    • turtletracks@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      If you’re getting locked out of those things, those things are not worth using

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  • bad_alloc@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The more technology pervades society the more pronounced this will get. The sheer helplessness of people when faced with problems that seem trivial to some is scary. Especially when you see people losing final theses or critical work related data because they never learned about backups.

    Add to that tech companies trying to hide the concept of a file system, and it seems like this is by design to sell more shit.

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    • 2deck@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Yeah, obscuring and abstracting away the atomic units of the system is a classic.

      On the other hand self-education has never been easier, and there are open source alternatives of pretty much everything.

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• Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Who still uses Google? DDG has been way better for a long while now. Join the duck side.

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  • FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    searxng? Anyone?

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    • unrushed233@lemmings.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Hell yeah

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  • celsiustimeline@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The vast majority of humanity still uses Google. DDG is basically unheard of outside of tech enthusiast circles.

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    • jbk@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      …and who also has JS off? That seems like a weird combination.

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    • moon@lemmy.cafe ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I agree, but if you want js off while web browsing, you’re already in that advanced tech circle and are a part of that demographic.

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    • possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Its gaining ground very quickly

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  • WolvenSpectre@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Uses Bing results.

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    • Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      So that’s why it’s so good at finding porn.

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    • ____@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Configurable, though, to use many other engines and results.

      Lots of overlap, but there are a couple other indexes out there.

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  • cosmicrookie@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Kagi is also good. Better imo really

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    • possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It really isn’t

      Giving up your payment information is not great for privacy

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    • baggachipz@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Love how you’re getting downvoted for suggesting a great search engine which does t require JavaScript. Stay classy, everyone.

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    • unrushed233@lemmings.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      d-shoot.net/kagi.html

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  • cRazi_man@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Brave search 🤙

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    • possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It isn’t half bad

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• z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Yep. I use Noscript and DDG Lite by default. Just putting into duckduckgo: !g <your search goes here> will search google without having to turn JS on…looks like Duckduckgo wins again, even when it comes to using google, lol.

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  • ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    So like !g <squirrels holding nuts> and I’ll get googled?

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    • 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Without the <>.

      !g squirrels holding nuts

      More info here.

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• skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

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  • rtxn@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      <form method="GET" action="https://duckduckgo.com/">
        <input name="q" type="text"/>
        <button type="submit">Go</button>
      </form>
    

    This is a fully functional search bar. This is all it needs to be. It doesn’t need Javascript, only if you want suggestions.

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    • skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

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  • x00za@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    They don’t need javascript to serve their website, and their website hasn’t really been updated all that much. So there wasn’t really any reason to stop supporting it.

    This change is very likely meant to be against privacy respecting users.

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• 911@lemmynsfw.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Use any of the following:

  • lite.duckduckgo.com/lite/

  • stract.com

  • www.alexandria.org

  • clew.se

  • peekr.org

  • mwmbl.org

  • searchmysite.net

  • search.marginalia.nu

  • wiby.me

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• zer0bitz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Just use SearXNG.

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• NutWrench@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I like the SearX search engine. It gives old-school, relevant search results, not google ranked ones.

  search.inetol.net

  It’s also spread out over many separate instances, so you can pick the one that best suits your search needs:

  searx.space

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  • courval@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Smells a bit Musky

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    • Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It’s open source and can be self-hosted. I use something similar called Whoogle that I run in a local Docker container. Strips ads, javascript, tracking, and amp links

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• celsiustimeline@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I might be out of my depth here, but isn’t like virtually the entire internet powered by Javascript? What are the negative implications for Google requiring JS?

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  • m_f@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    A lot of the web is powered by JS, but much less of it needs to be. Here’s a couple of sites that are part of a trend to not unnecessarily introduce it:

    youmightnotneedjs.com

    htmx.org

    The negative implications for Google requiring JS is that they will use it to track everything possible about you that they can, even down to how you move your cursor, or how much battery you have left on your phone in order to jack up prices, or any other number of shitty things.

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    • Chingzilla@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Htmx does use javascript under the hood, but just makes it so the developer can use html markdown for more a more interactive environment that’s driven sever side. So the initial page load should render, but UI elements might not work as intended.

      htmx is more a move back to REST as it was originally defined (aka not json backend).

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    • TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      JS is like a disease where it does not need to be. I would honestly welcome an Internet alternative that was all web 1.0 (with up-to-date security updates and methods). There’s good uses for it in interactive websites that provide cloud services, but most of it is fud and breaks the whole notion of HTTP GET URLs you can just share and cache.

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    • celsiustimeline@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Booo! I knew I made the right decision switching to DDG.

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  • ShadowCatEXE@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    A large majority of modern web applications are built with Javascript… Both frontend and backend. You do still have a large majority of websites using plain HTML or PHP, with some features requiring JS to function (modals, realtime stats, data input, etc).

    You also have alternative languages like Java or C# (and more), but also may use bits of JS on the frontend to drive functionality.

    You can bet that the majority of websites you visit nowadays will use some form of JS, unless it’s a static webpage to display basic information.

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• MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Who uses the internet without JavaScript? Must have so many broken websites

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  • OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I run NoScript, which blocks all JavaScript. I manually allow websites as I need it. It blocks all kinds of annoying nonsense while I browse.

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  • trevor@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I started disabling JavaScript by default with uBlock Origin a few months ago. I am surprised to report that a bunch of sites work fine without JavaScript.

    There are definitely some sites that actually need it, and for those, it’s just one click to permanently allow for that site. But most of the sites I need work better with just CSS and HTML because there are no stupid nags or social media sign-in buttons that pop-up anymore.

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  • Faresh@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I installed NoScript just a few days ago, because I’m forced to use a really weak computer that struggles to even browse the modern web. I feel like NoScript improved it a lot, and while quite a few websites broke (including lemmy), I just set the ones that I need working to trusted, but the performance is still good (I should note I’m also using it in conjunction with an automatic tab discarter).

    I however also don’t directly use Google. Both SearX and Yandex don’t need javascript, so I’m unaffected by these news, despite being a bit mad about it as a reflection of the direction the web is going as a whole.

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• unrushed233@lemmings.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Use LibreX or a fork called LibreY, it’s a JS-free proxy for Google search

  There’s a list of instances at librey.org/instances.php

  Something similar exists for DuckDuckGo btw, it’s called 4get

  Or you can just use SearXNG, a meta search engine that aggregates results from multiple sources

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• daggermoon@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  No offense intended, but why are you still using Google? Startpage has anonyomized results from Google. DuckDuckGo is good enough for most people as well. Brave search also exists if you don’t mind supporting that shitty company.

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• ScreaminOctopus@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I’ve been happy with Qwant lately, they have their own index so using them doesn’t support the Google + Bing hegemony. They’re also EU based and regulated by the gdpr.

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• pyre@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  why are you using google in 2024 grandpa

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• possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  There are so many alternatives

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• adarza@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  lol. nope. not happening. that’s not how to get me to even think about using your search again (having quit over a decade ago).

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• WolvenSpectre@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  AFAIK Startpage gives you google results with your privacy intact and less ads.

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• asdfasdfasdf@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Switch to Kagi

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• Mwa@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  they def wanna maximize data collection with javascript

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• JTskulk@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I just disabled Javascript and Google still works fine. It might be only Google’s mobile site that requires it.

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• corvuscache@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  These are also just fun:

  • Wilby
  • The Useless Web
  • Marginalia Search

  I also use Mojeek when I want a (serious) different set of results that I’m not getting from those pulling from google, bing, etc. It’s not the best but it’s getting better over time.

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• ruekk@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  As a former we’d dev, good. I didn’t get paid enough to care about the people that block JavaScript

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• bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  If you ever need a search engine without JavaScript or https, give frogfind.com a try. Works great on ancient browsers and operating systems.

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• mlg@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Can’t tell if because of spyware or because the poor intern they hired to maintain the site for the next month only knows JS frontends lol

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• CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Oof ouch my Lynx.

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• moseschrute@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Btw it’s possible to fingerprint people with JavaScript disabled. I found this very interesting article if you’re curious.

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