Haha, funny. But I actually know the lead developer behind Teams.
It’s Microsoft Copilot.
A bad influence
Submitted 7 months ago by The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world to memes@sopuli.xyz
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KISSmyOSFeddit@lemmy.world 7 months ago
MisterD@lemmy.ca 7 months ago
We should have killed Clippy in the 00s
monsterpiece42@reddthat.com 7 months ago
Clippy kept the real madness at bay. Without his presence we are lost.
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 7 months ago
Makes sense
klemptor@startrek.website 7 months ago
I haaaate Teams. Worst thing ever to happen to workplace productivity. And (unless this has been fixed since I retired) chat history isn’t persistent past 6 months so you lose your proof of what was discussed, unlike email.
cm0002@lemmy.world 7 months ago
unlike email.
Once worked a job in the financial sector, they enforced all Outlook clients to purge emails 3 months old AND disabled all of outlooks built-in archival tools…
Those bitches didn’t disable VBA though, so I built my own Outlook archival tool all in VBA complete with an sqlite DB and a UI. Ironically, it was more stable and less susceptible to corruption than outlooks own tools lolol
refurbishedrefurbisher@lemmy.sdf.org 7 months ago
That policy sounds like destruction of evidence before it’s legally considered to be evidence.
Brujones@lemmy.world 7 months ago
To me, this is its biggest flaw. You can’t scroll back in chats very far, but you can search for lines further back. However in a truly spectacular display of uselessness, the search only returns the chat bubble you searched for, with no surrounding context.
meowMix2525@lemm.ee 7 months ago
oh my god this drives me absolutely nuts when I’m looking for help I received months ago and distinctly remember enough to put into a search bar but can’t go back to the actual conversation… even though it is clearly saved somewhere since it still comes up in search!!!
stratoscaster@lemmy.world 7 months ago
From my experience, discord might have one of the best chat searches out there. It’s stupid fast and you can search metadata like time, sender, attachments, etc.
DrakeRichards@lemmy.world 7 months ago
The chat history is the big one for me. It’s not even that it’s not persistent; I’d be fine if it just purged all messages after a set period. The problem is that it seems to selectively purge some messages but keep others. Makes me feel like I’m crazy when I go back and try to find something that I know I sent a while ago, but there’s just a gap.
KazuyaDarklight@lemmy.world 7 months ago
That’s probably some kind of data policies that your company has put in place. Default teams chat history is forever.
KazuyaDarklight@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Chat history is forever by default and has been for years so far as I know, anything else is a company policy. People don’t appreciate how much control their company has over the experience.
lemmylommy@lemmy.world 7 months ago
unlike email
Yeah, that’s unfortunately a thing, too. It’s the one size fits all solution to data protection and security. Made by people who like to make their own life easier, no matter the cost to everyone else. The GDPR does not allow us to store personal data indefinitely without reason, so let’s automatically delete every email without exception, no matter if it is still for an ongoing project or not.
uberdroog@lemmy.world 7 months ago
It wasn’t made for you.
ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
I once worked for an organization that maintained a 10+ year old single excel file with no discernable backups for regulatory data.
The bar is low.
BeardedSingleMalt@kbin.social 7 months ago
I once got called in to diagnose why it took 5 minutes to open up a single Excel file. The PC itself was a little dated and underpowered, but the file size was huuuge...like hundreds of MB.
It finally opened. There was ugly table-formatting...to the entire spreadsheet. Colored cell borders, alternating background fill, text and font formatting applied to every single cell; columns A-IV and rows 1-65,536. I pointed that out and said the only way to fix is start a new one and not apply the formatting, or to try and remove it from all the cells. She outright refused because she liked the way it was. So I left, and she went back to looking at pictures of her cats
anonymouse@lemmings.world 7 months ago
You should’ve just downloaded some more RAM for her.
Digestive_Biscuit@feddit.uk 6 months ago
People do silly things. We have a department at work which pulls data from our ERP system to excel. They’re pulling 10’s of thousands of rows to return only a few bits of detail like product descriptions for a handful of items. I’ve offered to help them but they really don’t want help. They seem to be happy with this monster.
There’s another department which runs reports from our BI system, exports it to Excel, adds some calculations, then builds reports from that. They literally just need to ask the BI analyst to build them a report to their requirements.
I’m convinced people like screwing around in excel because it gives them something creative to do in an otherwise bland job.
cybersandwich@lemmy.world 7 months ago
They probably had an advanced distributed snapshot backup system. Where any and all employees that used the file in the last 10 years had a version of it saved from a point in time–potentially even on their personal machines or as email attachments to their personal emails.
ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
Close. Each employee had a tab.
xyguy@startrek.website 7 months ago
I had a client as of a couple of years ago with a custom fronted software build on top of an access mdb database running on windows 98 continuously since 2000. They had been backing it up onto a 18 year old 1GB flash drive every night for years. Their interest was exactly zero in upgrading to anything newer.
joe_cool@lemmy.ml 6 months ago
I got called to a 12 year old server with a failed HDD once. They said no problem we have a daily backup. Just put in a new drive and restore from tape.
The tape wouldn’t read. I took it out of the drive and noticed some brown specs and dust falling out. The tape was clear, like scotch tape. They backed up daily to the same tape for over 10 years without verification. The remnants of the magnetic layer was scattered inside the drive. That client became pretty sad pretty fast.
IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
Honestly, I think that anyone who is this angry about Microsoft products needs to spend some time working with the types of industrial software that makes the manufacturing world go round. Just to get some perspective on what truly God awful software actually looks like.
cerement@slrpnk.net 7 months ago
don’t forget all the crapware foisted off on small businesses – point-of-sale systems designed for Windows XP and the company’s gone belly-up but you can’t switch because all of the company data is locked in – manufacturing hardware with proprietary EISA cards and drivers for Windows 98 and there’s not enough installs to justify reverse engineering …
Windex007@lemmy.world 7 months ago
My brother in Christ, IRC is a better tool.
Microsoft is failing to meet minimum standards of usability that has existed since the 80s
Jejerod@feddit.de 7 months ago
You mean usability like nick collision, channel takeovers, absence of services, no support for media or files, disagreements in the community that lead to multiple separated IRC networks, fully visible client IPs, the joke the ident protocol was?
I understand not liking teams, or webex, or zoom. But IRC in the 80s is hardly an shining beacon of usability or standards.
IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
I’m talking software/firmware in general, not just chat clients/protocols. As I said, you seem to need some perspective.
sep@lemmy.world 7 months ago
With the exception of the great split. And the freenode fiasco. IRC have been consistently fantastic for me since i logged on in ~93
Toes@ani.social 7 months ago
Yummy visual basic apps that have been dragged into the modern era kicking and screaming
hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 months ago
I’ve used fully functional chat applications, and I’ve used Microsoft Teams.
Teams is so bad it seems intentional
IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
Everything is relative. Teams is a shining beacon of competency when compared to a lot of the utter shit software and firmware that I end up having to deal with.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world 7 months ago
If software gets worse than teams, I’d find a new industry
cybersandwich@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I think what he is saying is that you’d be jumping from the frying pan into the fire.
henfredemars@infosec.pub 7 months ago
It could always be worse. You could be using SAP.
jadedwench@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I am so glad my new job had sense to say no. Their cost benefit analysis pretty much said the amount of pain, man hours, and bullshit it would cost to run far outweighed the higher price of the alternative product they went with.
shinratdr@lemmy.ca 7 months ago
Seriously. It’s not even the worst videoconferencing/chat tool, let alone all the other industries that thrive on barely usable software. Healthcare software, for example.
BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 7 months ago
Probably the worst I’ve seen was an ERP written in COBOL in 2014.
jawa21@lemmy.sdf.org 7 months ago
Why are ERP systems always shit for everyone involved? I’ve yet to see one that didn’t warrant a full time position just to clean it up and fix it when it inevitably breaks. Epicor was the worst offender I have seen.
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
I don’t even know man. I used to click a teams link and teams would pop up. Now a splash screen for “new” teams comes up and none of my programmable mouse shortcuts work and it seems like sometimes it launches through a browser, other times it doesn’t. I have personal and two work accounts which makes things comokex too.
kandoh@reddthat.com 7 months ago
I genuinely would love an opportunity to scream at the people who decided to release new versions of teams and outlook.
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
I have yet to find anything at all better about “new” Outlook. The fact that I can’t scroll through my calendar anymore is maddening.
May they step on a Lego barefooted in the middle of the night.
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 7 months ago
They are now cloud based so that it is easier for Microsoft to train AI models.
eatham@aussie.zone 7 months ago
Both of them are the same thing but require edge to be installed
Donut@leminal.space 7 months ago
Apparently the prompt for asking is triggered because the “new” version is a different executable than the shortcut you’re using is pointing to. So you could fix that by creating a new shortcut.
Another fix would be to get rid of Teams, but when you’re on a corporate license there’s not much we can do about that
smeenz@lemmy.nz 6 months ago
The new executable is “ms-teams.exe”, with a hyphen
melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee 7 months ago
god you’d think these fly by night open source hippies would commit to their ideals a little more, you know? the only real option is paid software maintained by full time employees who get fucking paychecks. nothing else is ever gonna work outside of your weird Foss imagination land.
whotookkarl@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Microsoft has become really effective at developing malware like Windows, edge, teams, etc and selling it to corporations to spy on employees and contractors
aphonefriend@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
It’s this. They don’t care if you, the user, don’t like it anymore. That’s irrelevant to MSoft. The big corpo dollars are all they pay attention to. And it’s really easy to sell a c suite and middle managers on their new click counter 3000 embedded in the next version of teams. Any way to monitor the employees and show useless metrics without having to actually do their jobs.
NegativeLookBehind@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Microsoft Teams is proof that there is no god
freebee@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
It’s proof that there is, god is evil.
Licksrocks@lemmy.world 7 months ago
A coworker of mine said this once:
“I wasn’t a religious man until I joined IT. If something as evil as a printer exists, then the opposite must as well.”
Printer and Microsoft can be interchangeable.
ano_ba_to@sopuli.xyz 7 months ago
Every update, some thing breaks. The “new” Teams does not work well with the microphone on my work laptop, I’ve had to resort to using headphones. The interface just sucks too. I hate that the left pane auto-hides now. So inconvenient. It’s not just Teams too. Every part of Office has broken for us during previous updates. I miss the times when Windows was just an OS for the most part and MS was not trying hard to be Apple.
CompostMaterial@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I don’t think people realize how much corporate policies affect their Teams experience. A lot of complaints I hear are not things I see in my experience because our Teams isn’t strangled by corporate policies.
Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
Trying to share a video, a website, or ANYTHING visual on this stupid trash app is horrible. It shares at like 3 frames per second.
MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
I just want to find whomever decided to write teams in electron, and punch them straight in their genitals.
Seriously, fuck that app.
ansiz@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Using Teams always reminds me that Microsoft bought Skype for billions, ruined it and developed a shifty replacement.
crawancon@lemm.ee 7 months ago
there’s plenty to hate on Ms for, but oddly, teams doesn’t trigger me.
shinratdr@lemmy.ca 7 months ago
Am I the only one on Lemmy who uses Teams every day and basically has no issues? It’s not perfect, but I much prefer it over SfB, Lync, G2M, WebEx, Zoom & RingCentral.
I feel like people who hate Teams never had to suffer through Skype for Business, which truly was one of the worst pieces of software I’ve ever used in my life. It used the layout engine from WORD to render chat windows. It had an unsynchronized mobile client that 9/10 never received messages unless it was open while the person sent it. It was hell.
Most of Teams’ problems stem from it being an Electron app that aggressively caches everything, which new Teams actually solves so I’m pretty happy with it. I also have to support users of it for our org too, so I don’t just use it constantly I also have to fix it if it breaks, so it’s not just lack of awareness of common issues.
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
Wait wait wait… Are we talking about teams or “new teams”?
XEAL@lemm.ee 7 months ago
Why has Teams for GNU/Linux been discontinued, you bastard?
(yes, there’s an unofficial client thankfully)
frankgrimeszz@lemmy.world 7 months ago
My browser said it wasn’t installed when I tried to join a meeting. It was. 10/10
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 months ago
my proverbial non existent children, will not be having any sort of relations with anybody who develops cringe and unfunny closed sourced software, no sir, not in my household.
Clanket@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I have a small business and we all work from home. Teams is amazing for remote working. Great for chatting, sharing screens and remote controlling another computer. Don’t know why it’s getting so much hate.
PresidentCamacho@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Honestly though, its not the developers fault. 100% they are being told what to prioritize working on, and I’m certain its exclusively business facing improvements. Microsoft only cares about making the package of features they provide look sexy to the people who would be pulling the trigger on bringing Teams to their office, not the people who actually have to use it.
Sadly this is just the way capitalism works, short term thinking, sacrifice the product for the sales, and then 5 years down the road wonder where it all went wrong; or monopolize the market and pay congress to pull the ladder up behind you.
VARXBLE@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 months ago
My organization has all of our shared folders INSIDE of the Teams file structure. Supposedly, One Drive should sync with the files inside of Teams, but this never happens. Instead we have people constantly asking for files that are in the shared folders, but because they aren’t manually syncing every time they open the folder, they aren’t seeing shit. Its so goddamm frustrating, but my boss is insistent on keeping everything inside the one app for “convenience”.
THERE’S NOTHING CONVENIENT ABOUT TEAMS AHHHH
jenny_ball@lemmy.world 7 months ago
zoom is the best one except for the weirdly horrible chat feature
DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 months ago
“don’t sleep with both eyes shut tonight”
phoneymouse@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I’ve been in companies that use Teams and companies that use Slack. The difference was people actually used Slack outside their core team channels. Teams was nearly a ghost town in the wider organization. I felt that was solid evidence that people only used Teams because they had to. They also had to use Slack, but they also kind of liked it.
toiletobserver@lemm.ee 7 months ago
Where meme?
woodenskewer@lemmy.world 7 months ago
The coolest thing that happened to me with teams was somehow being invited and automatically accepted to some corpo training event. 1000 attendees. My computer would not shut the fuck up with random people in chat. It was so strange. It was like a twitch stream chat but talking about excel instead.
pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 months ago
skype is best.
daltotron@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Old man: “So my daughter says you are tech guy?”
Young man: “I am tech guy for thing you don’t like”
Old man: “I am going to kill you now.”
-this image macro and all future permutations transcribed simultaneously by lemming-to-normie translation AI
megabat@lemm.ee 7 months ago
Who tf though I’d ever want to edit a spreadsheet in a chat application anyway?
Senseless@feddit.de 7 months ago
If only that would be the worst. Someone over at M$ had the glorious idea to set up a different admin center for every fucking thing. Sometimes they interconnect, sometimes you can edit user in several admin centers, some things you can only edit in a particular one. And if that dumpster fire of bullshittery isn’t enough the randomly change the naming of everything or the position of menus without any apparent reason. Damn you Microsoft. If I’ll ever find out who’s responsible for that shit I’ll cut your head off and shit down your neck.
hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 months ago
If that’s not shit enough, they also keep renaming and completely overhauling those portals again and again.
Infernal_pizza@lemmy.world 7 months ago
You forgot about the few random settings that can only be changed with powershell for some reason!
some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 7 months ago
The only admin portal I’ve encountered that is more circular used to be Duo. That seems to have improved since, but I used to spend 40m trying to find an essential section and looping through links without getting there.
cerement@slrpnk.net 7 months ago
all that different from Discord – people trying to use a proprietary chatroom for everything from support to wiki to knowledge base to documentation …
DaGeek247@fedia.io 7 months ago
I can hate two things at once. You act like it's hard.
Amputret@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 months ago
Don’t get me started. Monthly scorecards that are mandated to be distributed by teams, but you can’t embed files in that sheet, otherwise Teams shots the bed.
Also, who would ever want to adjust volume levels for individual speakers? Every huddle is fucking torture.
takeda@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Yet, I can’t point/draw on the screen somebody shares (at least on Mac)
BorgDrone@lemmy.one 7 months ago
Or share only part of my screen. Very annoying since I only have a 5k2 ultrawide and a 4k in portrait. Regardless of which one I share, no one can read it. I have to switch the entire screen to some crappy low resolution so others can see what I’m doing.
Such a basic feature.