Submitted 3 weeks ago by AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net to [deleted]
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(Shamelessly stealing this image from some crackpot carnivore diet community elsewhere on the lemmyverse, with which I have never once interacted, but noticed I have been banned from. Lulz.)
For the British: the things shown in the picture are spices. You add them to food to make it have taste.
It’s crazy how many people got hurt by a meme in shitpost community.
Good job OP!
*Takes a bow*
The only plant I put on a steak is a little black pepper.
Garlic, soy sauce, salt. Usually on a london broil, but that steak is SO good.
I marinate cheap flat iron cuts in a mix of ginger, garlic, soy sauce, vinegar, olive oil, and a tiny bit of toasted sesame oil. Better than anything I’ve gotten for a premium at a restaurant.
Beef steak’s proper function is as a delivery system for chimmichurri, since it’s gauche to just drink it straight.
I would even suggest an actual pepper steak. If not, a bit of horseradish is sometimes nice too.
I like plant too. Why discriminate 🤷♂️
Seriously. I will fuck up some turnip greens!
Regardless of your take on the ethics of meat, this argument is nonsensical from either side.
Mixtures of things have different effects than their component parts.
It’s like saying if the hot chocolate just tastes like the cocoa powder, why don’t I just eat the cocoa powder?
Because the texture and nature of the water give it a property too.
Sure we can judge things by the sum of their parts. Like how no matter how well prepared any meal is, no matter how divine it’s mouthfeel, I am unable to take pleasure in the consumption of a food that I know is the result of immense animal suffering. That is what animal products are made of too. They are also made of human suffering from the workers who are all but forced into working in slaughterhouses, an occupation well known for causing ptsd in its workers. I also derive no pleasure in knowing that animal overconsumption is one of the primary drivers of heart disease - the number one killer in most western countries, something which is completely preventable in 99% of people.
Animal products are also made of wanton environmental destruction, as well as being a massive zoonotic disease vector.
So why stop there? Please take your analysis even further.
I’m very specifically not getting into this argument. Everything you just said is completely right.
All I’m saying is this particular argument about taste and flavors is the worst possible one to make because it’s demonstrably illogical.
I think they were trying to make an equivalent argument to the questions around the existence of plant-based “meats”. That line of reasoning usually goes “why create a meat-like ‘concoction’ from plants rather than just eating delicious plant products themselves? Why do we need products resembling meat? Just eat a plant-based diet.”
I understand now that these products aren’t for me, and aren’t necessarily for those who are comfortable working directly with plants in the kitchen. They also provide an easy off-ramp from a more meat-heavy diet. Beyond Burgers are akin to vapes for those struggling to eat less meat.
I’ve cut back on meat over the past couple of years, but I reserve the right to have a plate of chicken tenders when coping with emotional distress.
“Vegetarian + tendies” is completely valid.
In medical literature and studies, vegans are often described as someone who eats meat no more than once a month. :)
Sure, but that’s wrong and used for convenience. Veganism is an ethical movement that sees this exploitation as fundamentally wrong. That was the original definition, but the Vegan Society who created the term changed it (in the 1940s?) to include avoiding exploitation generally “as far as is possible and practicable”.
What you’re referring to is a plant-based diet(er). Calling a vegan “someone who eats meat no more often than a month” in the sense of how actual vegans use the term would be like defining someone who’s anti-dog-abuse as someone who kicks their dog at most once a month.
You ever try any of the plant-based tender type foods? Even if I wasn’t already vegan, I’d still want to choose those over animal-based tenders just cause they’re that good.
I have! I like the MorningStar Farms ones with some sweet and sour sauce.
Valid, I also treat myself to a steak for my birthday
I never liked chicken nuggets until going vegan, lol. The plant-based ones are amazing.
Truuue, fast food chicken is fake as fuck anyway, it has already been properly imitated.
Even better, when I feel as a lazy fuck I throw the tendies to the microwave for 30s and eat them with ketchup. They aren’t “raw” so it’s safe to do so, suck it meat tendies you can’t compete.
The right spices enhance the flavor of the meat without overpowering it
Same with vegitables and other foods. It’s what herbs and spices do when used properly.
Just want to comment here, because some people seem to be trying to spread a stinky narrative: yes virtually all plants contain “toxins”. No, that does not mean they are toxic or poisonous to us. Caffeine is literally a natural pesticide; and yet coffee and teas are well known to be beneficial to our health and longevity, for just one example.
Spices are an easy way to give any meal not only better flavor, but a small punch of phytonutrients that most people are sorely lacking.
Don’t let the crackpot carnivores spread their lies.
So one of my favorite seasonings to add to hamburger, along with other beef and some pork stuff is… Beef Bullion.
Now you may scoff at the idea of this redundancy, but give it a try next time you make hamburger or beef tacos or whatever. if not, you’re missing out.
Now you should buy stock and use it instead of water in most cooking.
Or better yet, save ya bones and end pieces of meat and veg, brown it and use it to make your own. You can do this before you cook, or beforehand and just freeze or can it. If you go with the store stuff, buy stock based off of which one has the highest protein content.
I do that myself on occasion, but I seldom boil much stuff. A lil beef or chicken stock is good in mashed potatoes or in rice, but most of the time , unless I’m making a soup I use powdered bullion. It tastes better. Not even just my opinion. Blind taste tests always have most people prefer the “fake” stuff.
Have you heard of Demi Glacé? Chef John has a good cheater recipe if you’re interested in home make and less beef pricey.
I have not, but I’m intrigued.
The script can very easily be flipped, OP. “If you like plants so much why are you trying to make it imitate meat?”
This is the flip. Meat eaters say this to vegans all the time. That’s the whole joke.
And vegans need to stop calling people who consume meat “meat eaters.” I have no problem with a salad and some veggies BECAUSE I’M AN OMNIVORE. (as are all you vegans because you are human and that’s LITERALLY what we are).
We didn’t become the dominant species on this planet by hunting carrots. We are predators. Get over yourself.
Oh, I learned something new. I hadn’t heard that one yet.
Short answer: for the noobs. Most vegans grow to increasingly prefer more plant-forward meals. The humble bean is by far the most underappreciated ingredient out there.
thatsthejoke
remember folks. if you don’t put any herbs and seasonings on your food… there is a 100% chance you are British, stupid, or more likely both. British food should be renamed “Bland shit that gets served in a dying home” (dying home = those shitty retirement homes where people go to die alone with a meal plan that makes USA public school food look like $100k plate 5 star food cooked by the best chefs in the world)
WOAH OWAH WOAH
Reported for ableism, surely we cant go around accusing eachother of being Bri*ish
🤣
I didn’t know that being British was a disability. my apologies all you poor British blokes…
Did I use Blokes correctly? I’m sadly American abd can only understand American, Queens, Bronx, Pittsburghese, and strangely enough Mole (if you get the redwall reference).
I don’t. Embraced english food thought, even if not what they call food over there. Some rocks on my sliced and fried potatos and a bit of the same rocks on my red meat.
One does not eat chicken unseasoned tho. Tastes like cardboard.
Season your chicken with bacon grease.
It’s the rocks that make them crunchy.
Best of both worlds!
This reminds me of a controversy among the carnivore diet community, where someone got smeared as a “vegan” for seasoning his meat, and really liking chili peppers.
Imagine how warped your mind has to be, to find spices and plants controversial.
“But look at these AI generated fat people eating chips, which is made out of potatoes, therefore it’s vegan!” - many of the carnivore diet grifters
My wife add flavor at to meat, I like it just with salt.
Why are you so obsessed with how rocks taste, just east the food
On the opposite side, why do vegans spend so much time and energy trying to make replacements of meat products? Not protein, but vegan sausages, vegan bacon, vegan eggs, that sort of thing. They’re trying to replace the very thing they gave up with something that looks and tastes like the very thing they gave up.
Gotta add some veggies to your diet.
Seeing as I eat both, is fine
Before I took up veganism, someone asked me about my feelings on it once.
And this was pretty much my response. I’m not really that attached to food in general though.
My answer wasn’t satisfactory though, because later they complained that I needed expressively enjoy the alternatives we ate.
I don’t even BUY meat anymore! I’m a real man! A MAN’S MAN! I find animals in the wild and I chase them until thtye die of exhaustion and I eat it RAW! I have to get shots and medication to fight off prions and parasites like every other week BUT THIS IS HOW MEN DID IT IN MEN’S DAYS! I neither rely on the big production of meat or eating “plants” like some yuppie ass hipster!
THIS IS HOW MEN SHOULD BE! WE ARE HUNTERS or something, I dunno.
shoutouts to joe biden
Been making home made seitan the past couple weeks and it’s so good.
Spices in quantity are generally used to improve subpar ingredients. If you get top quality meat, it needs nothing but cooking. But most of us can’t afford top quality meats all the time.
The only meat I like to eat pure is the flesh of my enemies.
I have no need to savor the taste of my superiority over a cow or turkey.
plant-based mock-meats
Why make plans taste like meat?
If you like meat so much, why do you eat plants and/or seasoning from the get to?
I just use salt, maybe a little powered stock of whatever animal I’m cooking so if can taste even more like that animal.
unitedwithme@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
Hey, last I checked, you have omnivores, vegetarians, and vegans. Pretty much no one is purely carnivore. Besides, I’ve never heard of an omnivore complain about having to eat “plants” (spices), unless it’s a child who doesn’t like broccoli or something.
cass1312@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
There is actually a weird group of people doing a carnivore diet where you basically only eat animal products. Literally to the point of what the meme posted says of not eating like spices, or food cooked in olive oil.
frog@feddit.uk 3 weeks ago
I follow some of those people.
What I learned is you shouldn’t do it. Do you know what happens to your poop when you take out fiber from your diet? It just leaks out.
Others claim extreme constipation like 3 days. I don’t know if I believe that.
AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net 3 weeks ago
Omnivore or not, it doesn’t hurt to question how desirable or perceptibly necessary meat really is or isn’t, when it’s not dressed up by so many other ingredients. People often assume that they could “never give up meat,” but in most cases when people do reduce or abstain from animal products, they find that animal flesh is actually the easiest thing to let go of. Dairy is usually the most challenging one.
ThirdConsul@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Oh boy.
Every damn study we have, plus at least 800.000 years of human evolution cooking over fire:
That concludes any and all ted talks on should we eat animal products for health.
Now, the question then is: okay, then how much meat should I eat: about 300 gram once or twice a week seems like the sweet spot. A little if recovering from injuries. A little more if you’re growing up. A little more in old age if you notice your losing weight.
Source: idk, all the damn studies we make on large populations, e.g. pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2803089/
AA5B@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Oh , I buy this, to some extent. As an omnivore…. I’ll never give up eating meat, but I do love some meals that are “accidentally” vegetarian.
Hot take on Indian food: one of the world’s greatest cuisines but when I visited, I found so many restaurants deprioritized even chicken so much that it was just not worth it. Enjoy the meals, enjoy what they do well without trying to push different preferences
lokalhorst@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
Sir, this is a shitpost
unitedwithme@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Damn, touche.
nanometer1625@thelemmy.club 2 weeks ago
It didn’t occur to me until now that all spices are plant-derived (except salt, if you consider that to be a spice). I wonder if there are other planets out there where there are spices produced from animals.
PapaStevesy@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Enjoy the delusion, hopefully the link works: hackertalks.com/post/31790787