The system works for the system
The System does not work.
Submitted 1 day ago by sanitation@lemmy.today to workreform@lemmy.world
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Iusedtobeanalien@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
Croquette@sh.itjust.works 6 hours ago
There is a nuance to make here.
Children staying at home longer isn’t a bad thing per say. Most of the world is like that.
Children staying at home because they have no choice is a big issue, because it was possible before.
Sirdubdee@piefed.social 4 hours ago
I think the expectations were set too high because they grew up able to see the best parts of everyone else’s life at their fingertips 24/7. Maybe it’s time to look towards starting adulthood exactly like the boomers did. They ended up where they are without the internet or TikTok just fine.
Consider moving to the middle of nowhere and providing a service to the local community. Live within your means. Reconsider what you’ve been taught to expect in life. Adulthood shouldn’t be defined by what you own, like a home, car, etc.. It should be using your new liberties to take risk and earn what you want. Otherwise, you’re just submitting yourself to be someone else’s means to risk their earning potential.
Bieren@lemmy.today 9 hours ago
But like 7 white dudes have all the money on the planet. Things seem to be just fine.
Dookieman12@piefed.social 1 day ago
That depends on who you ask. Billionaires think it works great.
slaacaa@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
pdxfed@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Working precisely as intended.
Treczoks@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
The system does work. Perfectly. For those who installed it. Which are the top 5%.
NickwithaC@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
Treczoks@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
Exactly.
lime@feddit.nu 1 day ago
the system works exactly as it’s supposed to, which is why it must be destroyed.
RockBottom@feddit.org 1 day ago
STOP. ELECTING. CAPITALISTS.
Murse@slrpnk.net 23 hours ago
Yeah this is way beyond voting. Even in the context of just voting, it’s often necessary to vote for a lesser evil. Case in point, all the “Kamala didn’t earn my vote!” who handed Trump the presidency on a silver platter.
You gotta make strategic choices with voting, and sometimes that kinda sucks.
So do that. But also break out the guillotines when the people you voted for start behaving maliciously. That’s what we’re failing, and that’s why things have gone so far shit.
Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 hours ago
Case in point, all the “Kamala didn’t earn my vote!” dipshits who handed Trump the presidency on a silver platter.
That line has been dead for over a year, you need to find a new scapegoat.
RockBottom@feddit.org 16 hours ago
They have you in a check mate. Some people still don’t see it.
weeeeum@lemmy.world 1 day ago
“Stop voting for those you have no choice but to vote for”
multifariace@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
Hey! There is usually an honest Christian nationalist further down the ticket you can give your vote.
Ravenheart@lemmy.zip 20 hours ago
I agree. But also, they’re all capitalists. Even the so-called Democratic socialists are capitalists.
CannonFodder@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
Yes, and capitalism can work if it’s well regulated. And that means the people have to control the government, not the corporations or billionaires. Thats what’s very wrong in the USA now.
RockBottom@feddit.org 16 hours ago
Freedom of “choice”.
pilferjinx@piefed.social 10 hours ago
I normally view them as community-first capitalists. Still better than any kind of totalitarian (no dissent) government.
FluorideMind@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
I feel like I was lied to all through school. Work hard, get good grades, and everything will work out.
Nope, unaffordable rent, suckass job market. I feel like I’m being exploited every day I’m at work, even when I like the job and the people.
chiliedogg@lemmy.world 49 minutes ago
I finally got into a proper career path in my 30s, and it wasn’t because of my degree or my skills.
It was because I had an old friend working for that city that told them to pull my resume from the stack for a low-level position that I was way overqualified for. That got me an interview. That got me the job. I kicked ass once given an opportunity which lead to my promotion within 6 months. I quickly became known in the area and was poached by another city a little over a year after that.
Getting my resume pulled by a friend lead me to more than tripling my income within 2 years. I still don’t make amazing money, but I no longer have to worry if I’ll be able to pay the bills.
Aedaz_@lemmy.zip 17 hours ago
33 here.
At least I get along with them really well
Formfiller@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
44 here. I’m happy to have my son at home as long as he needs but I do understand the issues with our system.
quarkquasar@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
- At this point I may as well stay and make sure they don’t kill themselves by being old.
They sure make the attempt.
icecreamhunter@lemmy.zip 6 hours ago
It works wonderfully well for those who designed it, they made enough propaganda, destroyed enough countries who tried to change it, and made people think that those countries didn’t worked because their system was wrong, but what destroyed them was the constant threat and war from the greatest country on earth. Democracy and capitalism cannot exist together
AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Hackworth@piefed.ca 1 day ago
A system can become disordered, acting counter to its evolved purpose, sometimes in a way that’s fatal to function. I wonder if historians have a DSM for governments/societies.
AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 1 day ago
My suspicion is that institutional dysfunction is a result of other systems evolving to more efficiently exploit it.
Murse@slrpnk.net 23 hours ago
Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
The system works fine. Just not for us.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 1 day ago
it works exactly as intended
UnLocoPoco@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
This is also evident in germany where most teens live separately from 17 yrs of age and up. Anybody not doing so used to get ridiculed by their friends group. These days teens are increasingly living with their parents again in germany just due to rising costs and lower job opportunities. But hey, AI is cool!
volvoxvsmarla@sopuli.xyz 15 hours ago
Seriously, it was common? I knew only one person who lived by themselves at age 18 and it was someone who went to Hauptschule and became a kindergarten teacher by that age and his step dad paid for the apartment.
At 17, I was still in school for two more years and no one in my school (Gymnasium) lived alone. This was like 15-20 years ago. In my sister’s year (she graduated in 2003) I also don’t recall anyone living by themselves.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 15 hours ago
it seems common everywhere theres hcol. also sometimes thier siblings that did launch from home rag on thier other siblings who dint,likely dint account for potentials like AUADHD.
m3t00@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
the whole ‘tax sale’ thing in most counties has always looked obscene. especially when buyers are mostly rich. putting unfortunate people out on the street when they just extract more money. that has to be a carry-over from UK roots.
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
that system being fascist-driven kleptocracy
jerkface@lemmy.ca 6 hours ago
An octopus has hundreds of thousands of children, with perhaps only a few expected to reach adulthood.
Billionaires have us.
Avicenna@programming.dev 20 hours ago
No you see we have more billionaires than ever, which is a very good thing because shareholders.
Tattorack@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
On the contrary; the system creates divides and imbalances that aid in consolidating power, influence, and wealth to a very small subset of individuals who spend a portion of said power, influence, and wealth to keep it that way.
The system is working exactly as intended.
kibblebits@quokk.au 1 day ago
Sure it does. It works as intended. Thinking otherwise makes a person the fool.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 15 hours ago
i saw alot of posts elsewhere about this, especially after the layoffs. plus it somewhat more common in american to force your child to leave home after 18,
Arcanepotato@crazypeople.online 1 day ago
I’m not going to sit here and pretend that this isn’t part of what radicalized me back in the early 2000s.
However, as my world expanded through my life experiences and reading I came to understand that so much of what seems like a natural reward is artificiality propped at the expense of people in other parts of the world. That’s the system. Western workers have access to a wide range of material goods with prices kept artificially low because they are produced by workers who are paid less. What manufacturing that exists is much cleaner than it used to be, because the dangerous stuff is off shore, far from our eyes. Hell, we don’t even have to deal with the huge mountains of waste we produce! Temporary Migrant workers in agriculture and domestic work fill the same role except it is their labour that is exported cheaply.
I know the meme is about housing and the ‘cheaply made goods’ apply to that too. I live in a house built in the 1960s that is kind of the icon of cheap and cheerful working class post war period sprawl boom. Block foundation a wood frame with vinyl siding. Cheap to build, but can get expensive to maintain.
I guess all I mean to say is that I hope people who are seeing this problem are not easily swayed back into complacency if the capitalists recalibrate the feed of crumbs they give to the workers to ensure compliance. I hope for an era of world wide worker solidarity as it is the only way to tackle the problems capitalism has left us with.
I’m not going to try and convince people to have the exact same beliefs and analysis as I have because that’s silly and futile. I think most people would not find this documentary to be too radical: www.storyofstuff.org
Maybe give it a watch if you have the time and the comparison to depression era housing practices sounded reasonable lol. It’s so easy to take for granted how much things have changed in the last 150 or so years in north america, especially post WW2.
(You can save yourself the well acksualy about Henry Ford and his approach to wages in the 1910s. They are an important piece of the puzzle but reducing the cost of consumer goods allowed western wages to stay low by retain buying power so the appearance was of increasing standard of living that was increasing dependant on the ability to exploit global workers.)
David_Eight@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Cheap goods are a trap. One actually well made thing will last you as long as ten cheaply made things, the idea that you’re “saving money” is a lie.
birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 hours ago
The issue is the upfront cost. Someone who is rich and can buy a pair of shoes of €150, which last 5 years, will effectively pay €2.5 a month for that.
But someone who can’t cough up €150 on the spot, has to buy €30 shoes that may last 8 months. And they effectively pay €3.75 a month.
It’s a small difference initially, but over the course of 5 years, the poor one will have had spent €225 (buying new ones 7.5 times in total.)
And that’s not even accounting for inflation, which is not relevant for the rich person (as they only buy it once in that period), while the poor person will see costs rise. Assuming a 5% inflation rate (because that’s how shit it is currently), and rounding to the nearest full mark, that will mean the poor person will have spent about €60 more on top of that.
So, €150 versus €285. A difference of €135, almost one full new pair of shoes.
mirshafie@europe.pub 23 hours ago
Well articulated.
Just to fill in with a random fact: it’s normally the manufacturing country that gets the blame for greenhouse gas emissions. Many rich countries managed to “go green” by shutting down manufacturing, and dumping dirty production onto poorer countries.
nanometer1625@thelemmy.club 19 hours ago
There is no “system” causing high housing prices. In fact, high housing prices are due to the lack of a system: It’s bunch of homeowners each acting in their personal interest by impeding housing construction in order to increase the values of their own properties. That’s why California introduced a system in which all cities must build housing proportionally, or else their local zoning restrictions are nullified and builders can build whatever they want.
jama211@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
The system is unregulated capitalism. Glad California is regulating.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 15 hours ago
Nimby, corporate landlords(aka blackstone), airbnb are the major causes of the increase cost of rent and household prices.
Steve@communick.news 1 day ago
What age range is young adult here?
WhoIzDisIz@lemmy.today 1 day ago
Yeah, I really wish it was a general Lemmy requirement that any post containing statistics be required to provide a source for them unless it’s a non-serious community/post.
Steve@communick.news 1 day ago
Mods could police it. Would be a good rule
Diddlydee@feddit.uk 1 day ago
[deleted]Steve@communick.news 1 day ago
The link I found says 18-29yo.
It’s also from 2020 at the peak of COVIDbitjunkie@lemmy.world 1 day ago
How in the fuck is 30 not fully adult?
neatchee@piefed.social 23 hours ago
For those curious 2025 is about 33%
Steve@communick.news 22 hours ago
I tried to look, but I’m at work. Got busy.
Where did you find that?FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 23 hours ago
and only 33% in certain areas, average closer to 20%
ceenote@lemmy.world 1 day ago
The purpose of the system was not to get you a decent job, it was to get you to take out a massive loan for the promise of probably getting a good job hopefully but it’s all your fault if you can’t.
newbeni@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
It sucks even more when the kid brings a “friend” and the friend’s kids while you are trying to take on the kid, their kids, the spouse, and the house…good times
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 15 hours ago
i saw a post (comment), the user says, the child brought thier wife who also doesnt work, and refuses to take care of the ailing parents.
Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 21 hours ago
Can’t when your parents aren’t around or don’t have a place themselves. You find another way and it’s usually way less comfortable.
lmdnw@lemmy.world 1 day ago
A majority of Americans continue to fall for GOP lies and take no responsibility for learning how to read and/or comprehend what they read. Americans deserve this because, on average, they are stupid cowards.
TheMightyCat@ani.social 1 day ago
Not saying there is nothing wrong with the system, but what’s wrong with living with parents?
Why must everyone move out and be alone instead of being with family and sharing the costs?
Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 day ago
If you get along with them, nothing. But for a lot of people being able to live independently from their parents is literally life saving.
Sp00kyB00k@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
The system does work as intended. Sadly, it was not designed for us.