They’ll be force-feeding streaming soon enough. I’m fully convinced they’re gonna push streaming hard as soon as the AI bubble bursts, just so they can justify building all those data centers.
Take-Two CEO Says We'll All Be Streaming Our Games In 3 Years
Submitted 1 day ago by inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world to games@lemmy.world
https://kotaku.com/take-two-ceo-predicts-game-streaming-three-years-2000722435
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Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 hours ago
Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 1 hour ago
Those AI datacenters are pretty much single use. If you want to use them for anything else, you need to strip out everything down to the concrete and power leads, and install a new set of equipment.
iamtherealwalrus@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
as soon as the AI bubble bursts
We’ve been saying that for a long time now. Still going strong…
raze2012@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
Microsoft can’t even justify an online subsciption service for $30/month. They already bacled down that price. And I don’t think we need to talk much about Stadia who tried the “pay $60 to stream a game” model.
No way in high hell this takes off. The economics aren’t there and the competition is too strong. Not to mention I don’t think the internet infrastructure is quite ready for that kind of mass streaming anyway.
darkmogool@feddit.org 3 hours ago
And nothing of value would be lost… It’s maybe just me, but the last thing take-two (or rockstar) made, which was good, was Vice City.
Scrollone@feddit.it 2 hours ago
Oh come on, you can’t say GTA San Andreas wasn’t amazing!
darkmogool@feddit.org 38 minutes ago
I actually skipped that one because of GTA oversaturation.
Bluegrass_Addict@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
fuck that noise, I’ll play ROMs of SNES for the rest of my life if it comes to it. idgaf. never giving in to cloud based bullshit ever
thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
True, but don’t sleep on the Mega Drive / Genesis, or the Neo Geo too!
There are legitimately so many incredible titles in the 4th (16bit) console generation, that it could keep most people playing for a decade or more.
…and that’s BEFORE gaming exploded in popularity with the 5th & 6th console generations.
bowsertattoo@piefed.social 10 hours ago
as if lol. even if compute gets cheap (seems like not), installing high speed internet all over the world? that’s a huge project that nobody is working on.
CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 8 hours ago
And all for what, too? Just so you don’t have to spend 20 minutes downloading a game one time?
bowsertattoo@piefed.social 7 hours ago
i mean streaming gives big corporations more power, like the power to shut off your game if you don’t pay a subscription fee, the power to track everything you do
inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
Heard that before lol
chiliedogg@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Yeah, but now consoles are gonna cost $1,000 and lower-mid-rang PCs even more.
Streaming games sucks, but it’ll be the only option for people who can spend that kind of cash on the hardware.
_stranger_@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
From my PC to my steamedeck, sure.
AstralPath@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
AAA cattle will be streaming their games in 3 years. FTFY
SoloCritical@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
I feel like this wouldn’t work out in the competitive game space but I’m not smart enough to explain why.
Aceofspades@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
I had a GeForce Now Founder account but finally let it lapse as the price kept going up. I also bought into Google Stadia and it was great technology wise.
I don’t see cloud gaming as a bad thing as a backup, or when you’re on the road.
However, like everything these days, the fuckers will just keep jacking up the price to squeeze every penny out of the market. Or lock it down so you have to buy from their store.
This is the real problem. The technology is capable and we could have nice things but these assholes will just ruin it so fuck 'em.
dmir@gehirneimer.de 3 hours ago
Very much this.
I remember being so excited for cloud gaming as a kid, before the term was coined or the concept was widely there - I just kept thinking to myself how cool it would be to be able to play any games I want on my less-than-capable PC. Couldn't even imagine the tech actually arriving one day.
And by the time it did, I've become so disenchanted with technology that reaches mainstream, because you're just so right: it becomes a very aggressive money-making machine that treats you without any respect and only wants more.
I would rather pay more for less thanks to the rampocalypse, play with stutters and terrible FPS on lowest settings, than let a Take-Two CEO and others have us rent games and computing power.
ampersandrew@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Even if they’re not greedy, I don’t think the price that it would take to provide that service at cost is going to ever be a price people are willing to pay.
Aceofspades@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
Probably true. Especially with the current hardware prices.
lemmyng@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I don’t see cloud gaming as a bad thing as a backup
I agree, I’d like to have the OPTION to stream cloud games in addition to the OPTION of playing games digitally and the OPTION of owning games physically.
The keyword here being OPTION.
ms_lane@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Are they implying that in 3 years they’ll have upgraded my internet AND put servers in every single city, not just capitals so stream this?
I’m not accepting 100ms of latency, ever.
Crankenstein@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
This.
Intention be damned if they don’t provide the necessary infrastructure so people can access this at a minimum standard of quality.
I, unfortunately, live out in the boonies and streaming a game with this country bumpkin Internet is impossible.
RadimentriX@troet.cafe 19 hours ago
@Crankenstein @ms_lane not even then, the game has to be locally installed, streaming from a companys server is not acceptable. The only acceptable way of streaming is when i install it on either a pc at home or have my "own" server or service like shadow where i install MY game and stream from there
audaxdreik@pawb.social 19 hours ago
I would never accept 100ms either, but what’s funny is that twitch/reaction games are more popular than they’ve ever been. Fighting games, FPSes, Soulslikes, precision platformers are all extremely intolerant to any kind of latency.
iamthetot@piefed.ca 18 hours ago
They are implying that in three years, if they have their way, you’ll have no choice. You’ll own nothing and you’ll be happy.
Treczoks@lemmy.world 1 day ago
If he only offers streaming, he’ll just leave a gap for indies who actually deliver.
Freakazoid@lemmy.ml 19 hours ago
And Indies are going strong right now! I used to play big titles but not anymore.
By the way, take a look at the indie game The Precinct.
Treczoks@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
I’m long past gaming. I’m down to Solitaire and Mahjong, and occasionally watching a let’s play on YT…
boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 day ago
If you read it, he says it’s a way to reach those who don’t have machines capable of running the games, therefore increasing the target audience size.
boonhet@sopuli.xyz 23 hours ago
Aaaand downvotes from people who never read the article, we’ve reached peak reddit.
This is from an earnings call. He 1) says that increasing hardware prices are not a good thing and 2) thinks streaming is starting to be ready enough that people who can’t afford gaming PCs or consoles, can stream the games instead.
This came from a lengthy answer given in Take-Two’s quarterly earnings call this morning by Strauss Zelnick, in response to a question about the rising cost of hardware. He began his reply by saying that the rising price of hardware is “not a good thing” because it means fewer people will have machines on which to play games, but that it won’t slow Take-Two down as a business, “because we’re delivering experiences that people want.”
But Zelnick continued with a really interesting response about streaming. First, he pointed out that the world is increasingly moving to open systems, as demonstrated by the rise of PC gaming over the last 20 years. Then, he continued:
With the advent of streaming—which we really do believe is around the corner in terms of having something that’s low latency, and really works well for consumers—machines that weren’t game machines before will become game machines. So, without regard to what happens in the console business, which is of consequence to us, of course, we see the overall install base as a practical matter growing materially. And if you believe in streaming, to be clear, we really do, and I’m happy to put a timeline on it. I think we’ll be in commercial streaming mode in three years, and by commercial I mean low latency. That can 10x the effective the install base. That doesn’t mean we’re going to 10x our revenue, and we wouldn’t project that we would, because obviously your avid consumers already have access to video game machines. But I do think it creates great opportunity for titles that are broadly desirable even outside of core markets, and we do have titles like that, obviously.
This is VERY different from what the headline suggests, of course Kotaku editorialized the fuck out of it.
Treczoks@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
If people who lack a gaming machine have a big internet connection instead is rather questionable.
Maiq@piefed.zip 1 day ago
If a game requires internet to play I don’t pay!
r3g3n3x@lemmy.zip 14 hours ago
I think what a lot of people don’t understand is that the dip in revenue is tolerable because they’ve run the numbers on the data they have and found that this move makes them more money in the long run. Unless you are willing to find a new hobby, there will always be a game you will compromise on if you have these sort of values, and millions of people that just don’t care enough.
You also have to remember this is how they define reality as well. Corporations may well be more durable than governments at certain levels of revenue. Try to recall all the things that you took as being eternal eg the Internet if you are gen z. These things were new at the time but you lived your life as though they always existed.
Now look at how the younger generations will grow into this new gaming paradigm with those who remember current times complaining as they ramble about back in their day etc etc. The new generations will roll their eyes as they go to buy the limited edition pre order collectors editions discs because the disc will become a status symbol.
Not to mention if everything goes their way we will be streaming games. Can’t be cannibalising this new revenue stream by selling physical disks that let people play without accessing the network and giving us data. In sure there are more plans but I haven’t gone researching anything.
I don’t have the answers, but we will all have to keep fighting the good fight against corporate rent seeking in all its forms. At least those of us that are aware enough. But we have to accept we won’t be making a difference as to how the world works, just living in accordance with our values.
raze2012@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
Unless you are willing to find a new hobby, there will always be a game you will compromise on if you have these sort of values, and millions of people that just don’t care enough.
Sure. A few games here and there built upon decades of investment. Not every single AAA game ever. I don’t think it will be sustainable for any attempts to make new IPs or anything that isn’t already making hundreds of millions per year.
I don’t have the answers
Probably indies for a lot of enthusiasts who aren’t stuck in a specific AAA moat.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
+1
Another thing I’d like to highlight is the data hoarder/old internet style “you can take my local games from my cold, dead hands” talk.
…Well. If 90% of the market ends up game streaming, that’s what the vast majority of game devs will target, even indies. And there will be no more local games for you to buy. There will be no desktop gaming GPUs to replace the one that dies. Heck, I bet the internet itself gets locked down in the future.
I see this attitude e on Lemmy and some other corners of the internet, along the lines of “who cares what the masses do? We never needed them.” Like we can go back to the usenet days when the internet was a niche.
That’s a nice thought.
But without critical mass, we aren’t going back.
I don’t have a solution, either.
People, in aggregate, seem to always pick convenience over principle/long term health, when it comes to tech stuff.
raze2012@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
Well. If 90% of the market ends up game streaming, that’s what the vast majority of game devs will target, even indies.
That kind of marketshare implies that Steam gives up the idea of local games. And if that happens we’ve already lost the fight. I don’t think it’ll go that far for a very long time.
Besides, developers still need hardware to develop games. So the idea of them ceasing to make consumer GPUs seem far fetched. They are needed for a lot more than just playing the biggest games.
Like we can go back to the usenet days when the internet was a niche.
Well we’re here aren’t we? It’s not the 90’s, but we also came here because we refused to let adslop become our future of forums and disusccion. We don’t need 90% adoption to foster a community. If we could get to .1% we’d already be in a very good place.
Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works 11 hours ago
There will be no more local games for you to buy. unless you make them, i guess i would emphasize our personal skill development in tech as a people as the ultimate guarantor of our rights to own things personally. While some government policies are worse than others, no government solution can ever be a guarantee.
FoxtrotDeltaTango@sh.itjust.works 13 hours ago
Yeah, but what if those people started to suffer the consequences of games being streamed and not being able to own the games and buy the games that they play.
More and more people will suffer the consequences of games being streamed, and the consequences of being unable to buy and own their games
Our worst fears: unable to own anything and being unhappy
Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works 11 hours ago
ultimately the target audience of the video game industry is children and they’ll keep making obscene hypermonetized games that get fifth graders hooked. Only thing we can do is not buy them ourselves and protect our own loved ones from them. But yeah i mean idk i wish our government would have better policies but there’s a long list of great government evils to cure at the moment before we start worrying about gacha games.
FoxtrotDeltaTango@sh.itjust.works 13 hours ago
This unfortunately. But what if there are consequences for streaming games? If games are being streamed then they can’t be owned
This is what we fear: owning nothing and being unhappy and unable to do anything about it
Zedd_Prophecy@lemmy.world 1 day ago
They can kiss my hairy ass, not on the left, not on the right, but right in the middle. I’ll play the 40 plus years of games I’ve already amassed over and over instead. Hell I’ll even make myself ai slop choose your own adventure books before I spend one cent on streaming only anything.
Bluegrass_Addict@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
fakeman_pretendname@feddit.uk 23 hours ago
I have enough unplayed and uncompleted games in my Steam account to last until the end of the universe.
I won’t be streaming games in three years.
JigglySackles@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
The trick is ensuring you have hardware that lasts
piyuv@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
Take-Two CEP says [he hopes that] we’ll all be streaming our games in 3 years
He doesn’t know shit, he can’t do shit
jaemo@sh.itjust.works 11 hours ago
Some might. I will be playing an instrument or reading instead. I’m out.
freely1333@reddthat.com 11 hours ago
Yeah this is their goal. Subscription everything. Also they don’t want gpus in your hands and we will see them more regulated than assault weapons - or some sort of gentleman’s agreement where they are generally unavailable to the public. Writing is on the wall because if you can run quality ai locally the powers that be suddenly lose a trillion or two overnight.
Fredselfish@sh.itjust.works 9 hours ago
Dude I can create my own games with pencils and paper, they won’t lock me in to paying a subscription to play games.
chunes@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
Does that mean you’re going to break into my house and delete the compiler off my computer? Because unless you’re doing that, this is just factually incorrect.
orenj@leminal.space 1 day ago
lmao, good fucking luck realizing this without massive expenditures in infrastructure. In the US, internet is basically shit everywhere i’ve ever lived, I’ve never been able to even stream from my own PC to my phone without the experience being excruciating and unplayable on anything that wasn’t turn based.
Bluegrass_Addict@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
they don’t care… they want people to pay for shit service to then upgrade to the less shit service to have its terms change without your consent or prior knowledge to the more expensive service that requires some other shit or specific hardware… which will also be shit.
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pivot_root@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Upgrade to less shit service? Wake me up in 2034 when that’s an option.
DaGeek247@fedia.io 1 day ago
Yeah. Take-Two CEO is a dumbass for the logistical reasons alone. Good-enough-to-stream-games internet is more rare than household VR headsets. There is not enough market to support this industry at the scale required to make it financially viable.
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 1 day ago
Not in America at least, which is a problem given that America is the single biggest market in the world.
Dultas@lemmy.world 1 day ago
That’s mainly because upload speed is capped much lower than download speed. That’s reversed if you’re streaming from a service though. Still a shit idea either way, hell the streaming services of several years went under in what a year or two.
cheesorist@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
we wont but he wishes they want streaming because then they can control access they want to control the hardware and software you will have no option but to keep paying whatever price they ask otherwise you will lose everything
DisgruntledPelican@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
Take two was published by EA. It make sense… they challenge Ubisoft as the most evil gaming company.
Freakazoid@lemmy.ml 19 hours ago
I’d rather replay my older titles offline than be bound to a subscription. Streaming services here in my country remove so much stuff while you’re still watching them. And the content that’s still up there is of a very low quality.
I mean, older GTA titles already got removed; we now have to resort to other ways to replay those. They are still superior to the re-releases, in my honest opinion.
Raiderkev@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
Everyone, grab your Stadias!
Sludgehammer@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Ah, yet another rephrasing of “You’ll own nothing.”
FoxtrotDeltaTango@sh.itjust.works 13 hours ago
But what if there are consequences for streaming games? If games are being streamed then they can’t be owned
This is what we fear: owning nothing and being unhappy and unable to do anything about it
RisingSwell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
In 3 years my internet will be just as capable of streaming games as it was 20 years ago.
einlander@lemmy.world 1 day ago
And it will cost even more though.
RisingSwell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
My internet hasn’t really changed in price, been 80/month for decades, just swapped no bandwidth for extreme instability.
superglue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
He’s right, I stream via Moonlight from my PC to my living room
rem26_art@fedia.io 1 day ago
So I'm not gonna be buying more games in 3 years? Guess I'll have time to work on my backlog
mrsilkworm@piefed.social 1 day ago
Me with my over 500 games backlog in steam: Guess again!
64bithero@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Can we please stop listening and quoting company CEOs. Haven’t we all learned how clueless they truly all are ?
motruck@lemmy.zip 3 hours ago
Yea please. I keep saying it too. Wake up you fucking sheeple. Many folks who become CEOs are some of the worst of the worst cause that is the only way you get there. A CEO only says things that make them money.
absquatulate@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
Clueless or not, zelnick is in the position to attempt to make this happen. Sony seems to be on board with them, and I bet microsoft is salivating at the thought as well.