Industrial revolution stands on the shoulders of a giant called the agricultural revolution.
I brake for hunter gatherers.
*Honk honk*
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ol_capt_joe@piefed.ee 2 weeks ago
DahGangalang@infosec.pub 2 weeks ago
Yeah, I see the industrial revolution as an inevitable consequence of the agricultural revolution.
Which is to say:
The agricultural revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.HoneyMustardGas@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Why is it that everyone says this? Praytell.
halvar@lemy.lol 2 weeks ago
I don’t know… I’ve always found Kaczinsky an interesting guy, but now that I’m around halfway through his book, I find his arguements surprisingly weak as in he doesn’t really put a lot of effort into justifying the basics. He just goes on to say “yeah obfuscating the process of survival is bad” and sure I can see how some people might find hunting rabbits with bows more fulfilling than looking at Excel all day but if you don’t accept that immediately then his arguements become pretty weak.
ZMoney@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I use Excel to calculate the ages of the oldest rocks in the Solar System. If I was using it to find accounting loopholes for a private equity firm, I’d probably kill myself.
Ted’s problem is that he equates the tools and the processes of post-industrial society with its people. Just because the possibility exists for these surrogate activities to replace meaningful work doesn’t mean we all succumb automatically.
lastlybutfirstly@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Ted’s problem was that he murdered people.
halvar@lemy.lol 2 weeks ago
“Equating the tools and processes with the people” is such a good way of putting it that I gotta remember to remember it.
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I’m impressed you made it half way, the man was not a natural writer by any means.
huquad@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
In the beginning the Universe was created. This had made many people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.
TheStaffmaster@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
froopy dude coming though
infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
Fuck Kaczynski, read Bookchin.
Heliumfart@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I agree
CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Why are people supporting this inane view is so strange to me. The results of no industrial revolution would be a lack of medicine and widespread famine, on a scale no place on earth has ever seen.
If you care about the health of disabled people, if you care about minorities, if you care about workers, then this view is untenable. Its one step shy of full on fascism, “final solution” style.
infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
Kaczynski was a quintessential reactionary ecofascist, no additional qualifier required. But a lot of people have their first encounter with radical social critique in his writings, so absent any further critical theory his direct acts are often categorized as romantic rebellion, rather than the grossly misdirected randomized murders that they were.
It’s quite the coincidence that as soon as there was a charismatic Harvard grad with a CIA mind-control experiment in his past writing wheat pasted manifestos about technology as the root of all evil while he blew up civilian science researchers, NYTimes - The supposed dignified record of the political center - Was willing to post that shit in full page spread, unsolicited. They didn’t do anything of the sort for a certain charismatic alleged green mario, when he identified social class as the blame.
nomy@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Slight correction, I believe the NYTimes printed Industrial Society and Its Future because Kaczynski told them he’d stop mailing bombs if they did. The FBI and Janet Reno (AG at the time) both pushed for it and its publication directly led to his brother recognizing the writing as Ted’s and his subsequent capture.
Herr_S_aus_H@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Kaczynski was the proto Incel-Shooter.
Had his head way up his own ass, really weird thoughts on women and all this was somehow the fault of everybody else. Him getting glazed as somehow good or admirable leaves a real foul taste in my mouth every time.flandish@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
the industrial revolution could have been done without capitalism actively choosing to destroy so many lives in the name of profit…
CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
This is squarely to blame on capitalism.
ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
It’s what the lack of historical materialism does to a mfer.
HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
A desire to return to the norm of humanity for the last 15,000 years does not seem immediately similar to fascism. In fact, your immediate violent dismissal of it is concerning.
CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Those 15000 years were violent; death, disease and persecution were constant and everywhere. Oh and that return would reduce the population by at least ~80%. Anyone suggesting it would be good necessarily implicitly supports a global genocide.
Who do you think would suffer as a result, besides minorities and disabled people?
LodeMike@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
We are undeniably better off because of the industrial revolution. It’s caused problems but those are well worth it for the benefit.
Not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Right now*
We’ve almost caused, and now will forever have the capacity to cause, a mass extinction event with nuclear bombs. If the cold war had turned hot we probably wouldn’t be saying how good we have it in the industrial age compared to the agrarian age.
There’s also the more slow motion extinction event in the form of climate change.
But yes for those living in the west from 1950 ~ 2150 it’s a good deal
HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
We are currently experiencing a mass extinction event on a similar scale but greater speed than the Permian mass extinction.
CURRENTLY. It is getting worse.
binux@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Only if you’re basing your assertion on inherently biased criteria. For many in the west it’s better sure, but what about the majority of people in impoverished countries, or less fortunate people in general? How about non-human species that have been losing their natural habitats to pollution and global warming inch by inch, or just human interference in general? Or even species that have been outright driven to extinction by human activity?
I’m not so sure any of that is worth it for a new smart phone every year with only marginally better features. And I hear the new hyped-up technology is pretty much the epitome of an infinite amount of monkeys on typewriters desperate to type up Shakespeare.
Miaou@jlai.lu 2 weeks ago
Of course these people benefited too. Why do you demography in Asia/Africa boomed over the last century?
LodeMike@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Yes humans suck. There was much more of this before the industrial revolution.
TheStaffmaster@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Socialism has been the death of more people mainly because of Capitalist sanctions/meddling to make ift fail.
flandish@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
would the children working in sweat shops in … rolls dice … the US agree with this?
LodeMike@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Wait till you hear about slave labor conditions
Proprietary_Blend@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Learning to walk upright and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.
sunsofold@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Our poor spines.
Bipauler@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
This is totally my mood today
over_clox@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Fun fact: You wouldn’t be driving behind them or honking your horn if it wasn’t for the industrial revolution.
The more you know…
NotSteve_@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
You wouldn’t be driving […]
God that’d have been nice. I rarely drive my car but even that’s too much for me. "Hi, yes I would love to sit still staring at another car’s bumper for long periods of time where not focusing entirely could kill myself and others. I LOVE being required by urban planning to do that and LOVE being required to spend tens of thousands on maintaining the luxury of it
autriyo@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
I fortunately am not dependent on cars for my daily transportation. I’ve barely driven in my life, don’t even have a licence, but I love road trips and driving in simulations.
But not moving at all, or relatively to dense traffic is not what I like about that, driving as mass transportation sucks.
Willy@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Prove it fact man
over_clox@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
HONK!
I don’t even own this vehicle LOL!
infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
This bumper sticker is just a synonym for the “I bought this before Elon went crazy” one.
HeHoXa@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Maybe I’m givin’ 'en too much credit, but that seems like the joke
mechoman444@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I would argue that the Agricultural Revolution was the turning point that set humanity on its current path, for better and worse.
To be fair, life before agriculture was often harsh, but many of the problems that define civilization today, such as large-scale warfare, rigid social hierarchies, widespread inequality, organized slavery, and systemic exploitation, became possible only after humans settled down and began producing agricultural surpluses.
Regardless of what is happening in the world right now, we are living in one of the most peaceful and prosperous periods in human history. Aside from the anti-vaccination movement, which is a travesty for humanity, we have the best medicine, the highest life expectancy, and the lowest infant mortality rates in history.
That said, I suspect humans are better adapted to living in small migratory bands of hunters and gatherers than in large, sedentary urban societies. Civilization has given us extraordinary technology and material comfort, but it may have come at the cost of the social structures, physical activity, and close-knit communities that humans evolved to thrive in.
5wim@infosec.pub 2 weeks ago
rangber@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Interesting book. I hate paying taxes. But don’t hate being human. You win some, you lose some.
mechoman444@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
No. But that is the name of the narrator in Moby Dick.
ivanafterall@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I read his writing for the first time recently. It certainly sticks with you. I still take issue with some of his stances.
Mirshe@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I was about to say, you nod along with Ted until he starts into the racist bits.
ivanafterall@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Also his entire argument, which is pretty well-structured, completely hinges on certain things he just takes for granted. Namely, that the number of people that would be harmed by his approach might be far greater than continuing on this path. I don’t know whether he’s right or wrong about that, but it’s PRETTY CRUCIAL, and I feel there’s tons of room for nuance. He, in his frustration, reduced the potential deaths of tens of millions (if not more) to, “Eh. Fuck it, it’s probably better,” best I can tell. He has plenty of diagnoses, but no real remedies or cures.
FreddiesLantern@leminal.space 2 weeks ago
“Just a sec”
puts on gigantic goose costume
tektite@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Untitled Goose Car.
TheStaffmaster@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
getting older is realizing the Unabomber may have had a point…
wezzzy@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
No he did not he was a weird transphobic tweak w no sense of how the world actualy works
snoons@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Ironic that someone put this on vehicle powered by gasoline but I suppose that’s the crux of the issue; we can just ignore the consequences of our actions as long is doesn’t immediately effect us. In this case they’re part of the cohort of people that drive to work everyday and indirectly cause the deaths of hundreds of millions of poor people on the other side of the world that they inherently don’t give shit about. Mostly in Africa and India, who gives a fuck about them right?
nexguy@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Mentally diseased woman hating racist antI-semite incel who unapologetically killed innocent people says “fuck the system” and that’s what anyone focuses on?
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I made an attempt to read that guy’s book once. Holy hell the man is a nutter, and not a writer by any means.
I made it a quarter of the way through, if that. Absolute waffle.
robocall@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yum! 😋 Waffles!
tomi000@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
ReCursing@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
As someone who relies on a wide variety of medications to survive and is not mobile enough to reliably get about anywhere without a lot of modern conveniences, and who’s parter would be dead without the above, and who quite likes the internet
No
Doomsider@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Cool story bro, what about the hundred of millions of people that have died from pollution. Are they better off to?
Cum_Rag@fedinsfw.app 2 weeks ago
I’ll do one betterer
Agricultural revolution was a disaster
robocall@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
True. The native Americans did it better.
infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
You can distill it further. Social hierarchy is the template of all these “disasters”. The original sin, if you will.
Uranus_Hz@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
I identify as a “honkee”
shittydwarf@piefed.ca 2 weeks ago
He’s not wrong
Allero@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Kinda weird to put it on a car, though
5ha99y@lemmus.org 2 weeks ago
Says the guy using a product of industrial revolution, the car.
leaveWitX@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
If you gain this, you will inevitably lose that.
ceenote@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Big Ted. What a nice nickname for someone who I’m sure was a nice young man.
A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
His MKULTRA handler gave it to him
“Hey Big Ted how’s your brain feeling”
“Good enough to moatly make sense” Industrial Society and its Future