American workers are tired of waiting.
Submitted 1 month ago by sanitation@lemmy.radio to workreform@lemmy.world
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yesman@lemmy.world 1 month ago
agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
This isn’t a gotcha. Most ideological demographics are tiny minorities too small to succeed alone, but 3% of the vote could be the difference between a narrow win and a narrow loss for the DNC.
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 month ago
If you need their votes, start acting like it.
arctanthrope@lemmy.world 1 month ago
a lot of people assuming that the implied message of the meme is “Charlie Brown should stop trying to kick the ball” instead of “Lucy should stop pulling the ball away”
pjwestin@lemmy.world 1 month ago
The best solution would be for Charlie Brown to kid Lucy and run the ball himself. (This is a metaphor for primarying sitting Democrats.)
Bloomcole@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I just figured the kid looks stupid so it’s a metaphor for the US public.
agent_nycto@lemmy.world 1 month ago
“the left should have a united front and stop dividing itself!”
So… Vote for the one viable opposition party?
“No not like that”
stabby_cicada@slrpnk.net 1 month ago
The Democrats are a right-wing party.
They are the secularist wing of the American Capitalist Party, and the Republicans are the theocratic wing.
They aren’t the fucking opposition, and they’re certainly not the fucking left.
agent_nycto@lemmy.world 1 month ago
False equivalence fallacy. Just because both are bad, that doesn’t mean they are equally bad.
Goferking0@ttrpg.network 1 month ago
the options are either the party currently hurting you or the previous one hurting you
why wont you vote for the ones who constantly say the right things but still actively cause you harm!
agent_nycto@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Because one causes less harm than the other
BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
I’m tired of being stabbed, I’m no longer going to vote being stabbed.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Vote for the one viable opposition party?
Show me an opposition party to vote for.
givesomefucks@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I dunno…
Voting for “the lesser evil” does have a proven track record of overthrowing the two party system…
Marxism–Leninism holds that a two-stage communist revolution is needed to replace capitalism. A vanguard party, organized through democratic centralism, would seize power on behalf of the proletariat and establish a one-party communist state. The state would control the means of production, suppress opposition, counter-revolution, and the bourgeoisie, and promote Soviet collectivism, to pave the way for an eventual communist society that would be classless and stateless.[12]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxism–Leninism
How many elections has Jill Stein ran in?
When’s the last time a third party candidate even came close?
Why keep trying that when it keeps failing?
I think the real stall, has been the people furthest left in both of the two parties have been convinced to leave.
“Moderate” Republicans became neoliberals, and when they chased off the commies to third parties, we were left with two right wing parties.
We need the commies to start voting like Stalin always wanted them to, but today’s commies only know propaganda, they don’t know any history.
zoloftt@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Nations are made of people, that make local gov, that make state govs. We need to change the smallest part that makes up the rest of the machine before you can “fix” the 2 party system.
Everyone keeps taking about the DNC like it is some colossus. We can either change it to our liking or make our own, but either way it starts by changing the smallest parts first.
givesomefucks@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Yep
The problem is for a lot of people, they’ve only known a corrupt DNC.
The only purpose of the DNC, is supposed to be to run an unbiased presidential primary every four years, that’s literally it…
This one is staying out of other primaries, but endorsing everyone that makes it to the general. Which is fine, the party shouldn’t be picking sides in any primary
It has no ethical reason for billions of dollars, so it’s been pumping all of it back to state parties who desperately need it.
They’re not lock and step with billionaire owned media, because why the fuck should they be?
People look at the DNC right now and are mad “it’s not doing anything”.
While at the same time saying unprompted that the problem has been the DNC was doing too much.
DomeGuy@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Regardless of your politics, you need to vote for the best result in the system we have.
In the “first past the post” single-ballot-plurality-wins contests that dominate in America, anything but a vote for the runner up is an endorsement of the eventual winner.
For most Americans, the only real choices in the general elections are “R”, “D”, and “either”.
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 1 month ago
This election losing approach to elections needs to become dead and buried.
clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
It really sucks. Absent a revolution of some kind, until you are sure you have enough to WIN 270 electoral college votes, everyone needs to keep voting for the lesser of two bad choices.
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Regardless of your politics, you need to vote for the best result in the system we have.
If you want to win, you need to get people to vote for you. Democrats prefer to lose.
WoodScientist@lemmy.world 1 month ago
When’s the last time a third party candidate even came close?
Ross Perot came very close in 1992. He would have won if he hadn’t paused his campaign midway through the election. It would be very possible for a third party candidate to win in 2028 under the right circumstances. Imagine the DNC forces Harris through again. And the Republicans run JD Vance. You would have two incredibly unpopular candidates, each planning on winning by blackmailing their base with the “lesser of two evils” strategy. Then a third party candidate comes in, someone who doesn’t cleanly map to the right or left side of the spectrum. And they clean the clocks of the two unpopular turds.
Again, this almost happened within living memory. Hell, it happened within the lifetimes of nearly every Millennial. 1992 was not that long ago. The idea that a third party candidate simply cannot win is just Dem/Rep cope.
timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
“DNC forces Harris”
Absent any evidence. Kind of like how Bernie flat out DID. NOT. WIN. in 2020. No shenanigans- he couldn’t muster support.
God I’d love a progressive candidate but America seems not to and Im tired of people making excuses for it. Show up or stfu.
mrmaplebar@fedia.io 1 month ago
Vote in the primaries.
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Don’t blame the voters for the results of dishonest or nonexistent primaries.
mrmaplebar@fedia.io 1 month ago
"When I don't get the result I want I call the election rigged."
Who do you sound like?
Americans will point the blame at anyone other than themselves.
ViceroTempus@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Yeah, sorry I missed the primaries in 2024, who did you vote for the presidential candidate in said primary?
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 month ago
i don’t recall, but i do recall that more candidates than the big 2 were running.
johnyreeferseed@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
The Democratic primaries in my state are held in a rural town that’s a 2 hour drive away which contains about 2 % of the state population instead of 1 of the main cities. They’re also held during the week.
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Yeah here we go. Six months before an election we crank up the sirens that another way not only exists (despite it not existing), but that it’s clearly folly to support the one progressive option that’s actually on the ballot.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 month ago
This argument would hold water if your wing of the party hadn’t tied the one guy to the tracks in the first place and didn’t have it in their power at the time to untie him. In any event, centrists blame anyone with even the slightest criticism of their beloved genocide regardless of how they actually voted.
hark@lemmy.world 1 month ago
The trolley problem is used to pretend harm reduction works, but if you extend the image, you’ll find all the ones tied on the bottom rail will be moved to the top rail, just spaced out so that one side can pretend they’re slightly better, even though they’ll end up killing the same people anyway. If you think it’s acceptable to let “the good guys” carry out a genocide, then you’ll find anything acceptable. Keep sacrificing one group after the other as you justify your harm reduction scheme.
“First they came for[…]” I’ll let you figure out the rest.
grue@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Save it for the general election, not the primary where it isn’t applicable.
DarkFuture@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I wish I could upvote this twice.
I wish even more that the people who think like this could look at this and understand it. Too much critical thinking required. That or they’re just garbage people who want it exactly their way and are willing to burn it all down if they don’t get it.
TagYourToe@mastodon.social 1 month ago
@homesweethomeMrL @sanitation They're stunted baby-people who have an insatiable need to attack Democrats because they remind them of their parents. It's really just sad.
DarkFuture@lemmy.world 1 month ago
DarkFuture@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Lol.
Another low effort post to try to dissuade people from voting, or at least from voting for the only party that can defeat a literal traitor party.
Fuck off.
Vote blue, or get more of what we’re getting now. And I don’t want to hear any dipshits say it would be the same. Cuz that’s a real dipshit thing to say.
cashsky@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Why not both? Are you saying DNC is incapable of being critizsed for interfering in local elections where progressive candidates are overwhelmingly popular so they can shoehorn in their AIPAC stooges?
deft@lemmy.wtf 1 month ago
The criticism is too general to be useful in identifying issues.
Every decent progressive is/was a dem. Republicans are literally 100000x worse and everyone who says they’re the same is saying Jimmy Carter and Obama are exactly like Trump.
Which is genuinely stupid people thinking.
Goferking0@ttrpg.network 1 month ago
Are you saying DNC is incapable of being critizsed for interfering in local elections where progressive candidates are overwhelmingly popular so they can shoehorn in their AIPAC stooges?
Yes and yes
treesapx@lemmy.world 1 month ago
They’re saying that critiquing is much easier when there aren’t nazis in power.
NerdyTimesOrWhatever@lemmy.today 1 month ago
But it doesnt matter! Your vote doesnt matter because I say it doesnt! Feel depressed and dont do anything to get out of it! Also dont vote against my koolaid dad.
Smaile@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
Forever stuck between an ineffective good guy suckling your nations wealth away, and deranged lunatics that do the same. Doom either way but you may as well not have the Gestapo wandering around during the coming depression.
deft@lemmy.wtf 1 month ago
Agreed.
njm1314@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Uh Oh you dared to criticize the DNC and now you’ve angered the blue maga. Don’t you know that anyone who questions the neoliberal corporate talking points is the reason fascism is rising and nothing else at all?
mycodesucks@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Blue maga my ass. How about just being sick and tired of watching things be OBJECTIVELY WORSE now than they would’ve been under Harris?
So it wouldn’t have been a wet-dream progressive paradise. We wouldn’t have a paramilitary force with no oversight murdering people in the streets and putting people in cages, we wouldn’t have women having to travel across state lines under threat of murder charges to get abortions…
But no, it’s not about human dignity… it’s because people really just want to bend over for the DNC. Your take is insane and disingenuous and I’m sick and tired of hearing it. Don’t bother responding - I’m so sick and tired of the absolute nonsense from you people that I abandoned the country and moved out. Enjoy the whatever the hell it is you think you’re accomplishing.
velma@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
lol all that whining and you didn’t even stay in the country.
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 month ago
How about just being sick and tired of watching things be OBJECTIVELY WORSE now than they would’ve been under Harris?
Those of us who voted for her and tried to warn you that genocide was a losing issue are tired of being blamed for her loss.
Bloomcole@lemmy.world 1 month ago
You see all those things you mention are objectively better for the rest of the world.
fuck the ussa, glad you got the orange and for once get a taste of your own medicine.
Every day I feast on Blue MAGA tears.prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
I think they sat out or voted third party in 2024, and they are just not capable of facing the reality of the consequences of their action (or inaction).
I truly think it’s a sort of defense mechanism. They cannot accept that they may be partially responsible, therefore they must be correct and everyone else is “blue MAGA” or whatever.
It’s sad, actually. And super destructive.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
Can these people make an argument without instantly resorting to (the same, tired) straw men? It’s honestly uncanny.
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Can you people make an argument without instantly resorting to (the same, tired) straw men?
There’s a user on this thread saying that criticism of genocide is literal pedophilia, and this is what you’ve chosen to have a problem with.
DarkFuture@lemmy.world 1 month ago
blue maga
On the top 10 list of dumbest things you can say online.
drmoose@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Americans need to organize themselves out of 2 party system. It’s the only way and funnily enough - it would be a much more american system.
HrabiaVulpes@europe.pub 1 month ago
Maybe get rid of parties altogether? They already have one representative per state, why not go with that and elect one of them a president?
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Maybe get rid of parties altogether?
If a group of people start collaborating together to elect people aligned with their socio-economic interests, what is your plan to stop them?
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 month ago
you’ve gotta start way lower than that first. how can we elect a president when we can’t elect a mayor
pingveno@lemmy.world 1 month ago
The framers of the Constitution had objections to parties and left them out. Completely refused to even acknowledge them. Within five years, a party duopoly formed. Even nominally one party states have hidden internal factions. It is better to acknowledge human nature and compensate than to work against it only to cause harm in failure.
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Americans need a second party.
Folstar@lemmus.org 1 month ago
There are systemic barriers to a 3rd (or 4th etc) party. No amount of campaigning or organizing will make them viable without systemic change. Attempting to push 3rd parties at the ballot box will, hilariously (in a sad way), benefit the party you least align with.
osanna@lemmy.vg 1 month ago
the GOP are too dangerous right now
Right now? When are they NOT dangerous?
AgentOrangesicle@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Vote. Vote in local things. Spend a few minutes reading about encumbants or ballot measures. Don’t be spurred to inaction.
jeniferariza@lemmy.world 1 month ago
At some point, ‘next election’ can’t keep replacing real action people need right now.
deft@lemmy.wtf 1 month ago
I hate this sentiment it’s such propaganda
mlg@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Anyone have that ratcheting effect graphic lol?
tristynalxander@mander.xyz 1 month ago
The United States is a Electoral Oligarchy, not a democratic republic.
Unsealed9041@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
Vote blue, no matter who, unless it’s a popular socialist.
CaptainMan251@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Vote the dems in, and THEN work on the revolution.
With democrats only doing strongly worded letters in the face of actual fascism, they will be no match for us.
proofchampionship184@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
As opposed to…voting for the GOP lol
gtrcoi@programming.dev 1 month ago
Online lefty humor is just like right wing humor, they take an issue, frame it as absurd, then appeal to “common sense” so their ingroup can laugh at the outgroup.
It’s the horseshoe theory of bad comedy.
chunes@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Soon you’ll need a passport to vote thanks to republicans.
Can’t wait for lemmy to start blaming poor people for not being able to afford to vote.
GutterRat42@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Barack Obama and the Democratic congress passed the ACA, help recover from the housing crash, passed protections to prevent another crash. Biden passed funding for green sources of energy and chip production in the US. During the Bush years, Democrats in congress passed amnesty for undocumented immigrants and a path to citizenship. The “2-sides are the same” crowd are either uninformed, or malicious
Sunflier@lemmy.world 1 month ago
The time to be picky is in the primaries, but its vote blue no matter who in the general.
Triasha@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Then American workers should get involved in primaries.
lIlIlIlIlIlIl@lemmy.world 1 month ago
The GOP is full of pedophiles, like confirmed by the courts.
This post is advocating for voting for pedophilia
Great work
Mycatiskai@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
It always annoyed me that after the first time Lucy pulls the ball away, that Charlie doesn’t run full tilt and lay a field kick right into her, then say I thought this would remind you not to move to goal.
r1veRRR@feddit.org 1 month ago
The times where the democrats had full power with a good margin were the best/least bad legislative periods the USA has ever had. Yes, yes, they are bad in so many other ways. Yes, just voting for them isn’t going to just fix everything.
But I NEED online leftists to shut the fuck up if they don’t have a better option for the 4 hours once every 4 years it takes to vote. What exactly are you doing with exactly those hours that it having such a big impact on the world? Bitching online? Reading theory for the 50-th time?
You people can’t even revolutionize what you eat for justice, yet you expect an instant, bloody revolution to magically spring forth purely from online shit posting.
pdavis@lemmy.world 1 month ago
The two sides are not equal. There is a lesser of two “evils”.
CIA_chatbot@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Ok I agree with this. However - you’re not gonna stop the guy killing people in the streets by not voting or voting for a 3rd party with no popular support.
Would be nice though
Lydia_K@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Ah yes, the solution to bad people in power is to not even bother trying to vote for change, doing nothing will totally solve this problem.
cowfodder@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Shh! You’re challenging their “moral superiority”.
ButtermilkBiscuit@feddit.nl 1 month ago
Chuck schumer has joined the chat from Israel
Wakmrow@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Didn’t vote for genocide? Smugly wow look at your “moral superiority”.
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Bad people in power make sure change isn’t on the ballot.
Bloomcole@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Try the completely empty slogan “vote for change you can believe in”, worked for the drone king
bobdylans49thbeard@lemmy.world 1 month ago
What about this comic makes you think the point is “Charlie should stop trying to kick the ball” and not “Lucy should stop pulling this shit”?
Lydia_K@lemmy.world 1 month ago
The Lucy pulling the football thing has always been about the fact that Lucy is an asshole that Charlie Brown should not trust, and that Charlie Brown should stop trying to kick the football.
SaraTonin@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Not doing nothing! Rotating up and overthrowing capitalism. How, you ask? You know, rising up! What practical plan is there for afterwards? Plenty of time to figure that out later!