True but neither will provide solutions to the problems a leftist party would want to address.
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agent_nycto@lemmy.world 3 weeks agoFalse equivalence fallacy. Just because both are bad, that doesn’t mean they are equally bad.
nlgranger@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
gtrcoi@programming.dev 3 weeks ago
Sure, if you only care about tankie horseshoe brainrot like leaving NATO or dismantling capitalism. Meanwhile the Democrats have been trying to pass meaningful healthcare reforms for decades and have been stopped at every turn by Republicans. They fight for social safety nets, strong regulations that protect consumers and the environment, and manage it all while not blowing up the economy like every Republican ever that takes the polar opposite positions. So what fringe policies do you care about that warrant both sides’ing these parties? Because on every single issue I care about the Democrats are unimaginably better then the Republicans.
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Meanwhile the Democrats have been trying to pass meaningful healthcare reforms for decades and have been stopped at every turn by Republicans.
Their last big win was a Heritage Foundation policy that they nerfed without a single republican vote because it wasn’t far enough to the right.
gtrcoi@programming.dev 3 weeks ago
I have no idea what you are talking about. You know you exist in an echo chamber right? That the little memes and private language you guys circle jerk each other with doesn’t make sense here in the outside world?
Are you talking about the ACA or something else? Because the ACA originally contained a public option, that was the Democrat plan. That’s awesome, pity none of the Republicans voted for it because they hate Obama for being black. But please, keep telling me now both parties are the same.
DarkFuture@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
The people you are speaking to simply do not understand the concept of the saying “don’t let perfect be the enemy of good”.
They want it the way they want it. They don’t want to acknowledge that the Dems are WAY, WAY better than Republicans and that they have absolutely done good for the middle/lower classes. I assume many of them are simply completely unaware of Dem accomplishments because they don’t seem like the type of people to do their homework.
They honestly think they can magically skip the years/decades of work and magically put a 3rd party in control of our federal government.
mattyroses@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
They haven’t been trying. They’ve held both houses and the presidency twice in the 22st century.
gtrcoi@programming.dev 3 weeks ago
You’re right, they’ve actually been succeeding, good catch. Biden’s infrastructure bill was insane, and capping drug costs for seniors and diabetics? What a chad. Strengthening Medicare, conditioning grant funding to companies on whether they provide affordable childcare to employees, raising the child tax credit, bailing out pension funds, I mean god damn, check out his climate policy …berkeley.edu/ira-charts-a-path-that-is-both-pro-…
The man was pro-labour af at every opportunity and passed a shit load of legislation worth trillions. Greatest president in living memory.
mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
so keep doubling down on electing more trumps. that’s really working great!
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Keep doubling down on centrist candidates. It beats admitting you’re wrong.
agent_nycto@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
So? Just because Democrats aren’t doing things the way you want them exactly doesn’t mean
1-that they aren’t doing some stuff that you kinda would want, even if it’s not perfect and
2- Republicans, or letting Republicans win, is a good idea.
edible_funk@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
That’s why you vote for progressives in the primaries. But either progressives don’t vote in primaries or there’s genuinely not enough of us to warrant representation in which case we’re all fucked anyhow.
DarkFuture@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
This is the reality that apparently a lot of people on Lemmy don’t want to accept.
nlgranger@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Here in France we don’t have primaries, instead we have various leftist group who compete into attrition and loose the elections. That being said, they do have differing political views, so it is either that or the problem you mention.
DarkFuture@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
True but neither will provide solutions to the problems a leftist party would want to address.
There is no remotely viable true leftist party in the United States. Welcome to reality.
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
The problem is that they keep alienating their voters and losing to fascists, but refuse to ever change.
gtrcoi@programming.dev 3 weeks ago
I totally agree, they should stop alienating the majority of voters by trying to appeal to radicals that actively smear the party.
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Democrats will never accept that they cannot win republican votes by betraying the left.
gtrcoi@programming.dev 3 weeks ago
First of all, they don’t betray the left on 99% of issues, it’s just that populist leftists consider anything less than maximal alignment “betrayal”.
Second, Trump’s support is plummeting thanks to his disastrous administration, Democrats are poised to sweep the midterms, and it’s a safe bet the next 2 years will be even worse and result in a win in 2028. The slopulist voting block can shove it tbh, they aren’t needed.
agent_nycto@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Oh yeah. Solid agree. That is a problem.
Hopefully either they get their shit together or, by some miracle, there’s a viable third party.
But the shit sandwich is that yeah, they are the only political party with any weight that can go against Republicans.
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Hopefully either they get their shit together or, by some miracle, there’s a viable third party.
Hopefully the weight of the party is no longer sufficient to keep progressives from winning the primaries the party still permits.
Because centrists are never gonna change, at least not for the better.
agent_nycto@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
If the weight of the Democratic party isn’t sufficient anymore, it’s because Republicans have taken control over everything. And since they are being the fascist party, I doubt they would let any progressive party gain enough ground to do anything after that.
DarkFuture@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Two things should happen.
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The Democrat party should change.
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Voters should rub brain cells together and vote for far and away the better option, even if that option is awful at promoting themselves and adapting to changes in their base.
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
You won’t get 2 without 1.
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Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Not a false equivalence at all. The Democratic-Republicans were formed in 1792 in direct opposition to the Federalist Party.
agent_nycto@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
It’s not 1792. Things change over time. Saying that these two parties are the same because they started for the same reason is really ignoring what’s happening today.
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
The point here is that there is no left wing party. Just a right wing and a far right wing.
agent_nycto@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Never said they were left. I said they were the only viable opposition party (as in, opposition to the Republicans) and that they are more left than MAGA.
And also, so what? Are you saying we should let the far right win?
Nalivai@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Multiple years passed since then. Things are different now.
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
That’s not in the comic anywhere. But since the pro-genocide wing never wants to change, you’ll pretend like it is.
agent_nycto@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Well, no, it wasn’t in the comic because the conversation is derived from the comic. Do you normally think conversations stay rigidly on only one thing? If you bring up Democrats, naturally Republicans are going to be talked about.
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Mainly by people who don’t want democrats to change.
agent_nycto@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
No? Because we’re talking about our current political climate?
Trust me if I had a magic wand or a point of view cannon I’d change the democratic party in an instant. Hell everyone, make a global communist utopia.