Comment on American workers are tired of waiting.
stabby_cicada@slrpnk.net 4 days agoThe Democrats are a right-wing party.
They are the secularist wing of the American Capitalist Party, and the Republicans are the theocratic wing.
They aren’t the fucking opposition, and they’re certainly not the fucking left.
agent_nycto@lemmy.world 4 days ago
False equivalence fallacy. Just because both are bad, that doesn’t mean they are equally bad.
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 4 days ago
That’s not in the comic anywhere. But since the pro-genocide wing never wants to change, you’ll pretend like it is.
agent_nycto@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Well, no, it wasn’t in the comic because the conversation is derived from the comic. Do you normally think conversations stay rigidly on only one thing? If you bring up Democrats, naturally Republicans are going to be talked about.
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Mainly by people who don’t want democrats to change.
nlgranger@lemmy.world 4 days ago
True but neither will provide solutions to the problems a leftist party would want to address.
gtrcoi@programming.dev 4 days ago
Sure, if you only care about tankie horseshoe brainrot like leaving NATO or dismantling capitalism. Meanwhile the Democrats have been trying to pass meaningful healthcare reforms for decades and have been stopped at every turn by Republicans. They fight for social safety nets, strong regulations that protect consumers and the environment, and manage it all while not blowing up the economy like every Republican ever that takes the polar opposite positions. So what fringe policies do you care about that warrant both sides’ing these parties? Because on every single issue I care about the Democrats are unimaginably better then the Republicans.
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Their last big win was a Heritage Foundation policy that they nerfed without a single republican vote because it wasn’t far enough to the right.
DarkFuture@lemmy.world 4 days ago
The people you are speaking to simply do not understand the concept of the saying “don’t let perfect be the enemy of good”.
They want it the way they want it. They don’t want to acknowledge that the Dems are WAY, WAY better than Republicans and that they have absolutely done good for the middle/lower classes. I assume many of them are simply completely unaware of Dem accomplishments because they don’t seem like the type of people to do their homework.
They honestly think they can magically skip the years/decades of work and magically put a 3rd party in control of our federal government.
mattyroses@lemmy.today 4 days ago
They haven’t been trying. They’ve held both houses and the presidency twice in the 22st century.
mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 4 days ago
so keep doubling down on electing more trumps. that’s really working great!
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Keep doubling down on centrist candidates. It beats admitting you’re wrong.
agent_nycto@lemmy.world 4 days ago
So? Just because Democrats aren’t doing things the way you want them exactly doesn’t mean
1-that they aren’t doing some stuff that you kinda would want, even if it’s not perfect and
2- Republicans, or letting Republicans win, is a good idea.
edible_funk@lemmy.world 4 days ago
That’s why you vote for progressives in the primaries. But either progressives don’t vote in primaries or there’s genuinely not enough of us to warrant representation in which case we’re all fucked anyhow.
DarkFuture@lemmy.world 4 days ago
This is the reality that apparently a lot of people on Lemmy don’t want to accept.
nlgranger@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Here in France we don’t have primaries, instead we have various leftist group who compete into attrition and loose the elections. That being said, they do have differing political views, so it is either that or the problem you mention.
DarkFuture@lemmy.world 4 days ago
There is no remotely viable true leftist party in the United States. Welcome to reality.
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 4 days ago
The problem is that they keep alienating their voters and losing to fascists, but refuse to ever change.
gtrcoi@programming.dev 4 days ago
I totally agree, they should stop alienating the majority of voters by trying to appeal to radicals that actively smear the party.
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Democrats will never accept that they cannot win republican votes by betraying the left.
agent_nycto@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Oh yeah. Solid agree. That is a problem.
Hopefully either they get their shit together or, by some miracle, there’s a viable third party.
But the shit sandwich is that yeah, they are the only political party with any weight that can go against Republicans.
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Hopefully the weight of the party is no longer sufficient to keep progressives from winning the primaries the party still permits.
Because centrists are never gonna change, at least not for the better.
DarkFuture@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Two things should happen.
The Democrat party should change.
Voters should rub brain cells together and vote for far and away the better option, even if that option is awful at promoting themselves and adapting to changes in their base.
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 4 days ago
You won’t get 2 without 1.
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Not a false equivalence at all. The Democratic-Republicans were formed in 1792 in direct opposition to the Federalist Party.
agent_nycto@lemmy.world 4 days ago
It’s not 1792. Things change over time. Saying that these two parties are the same because they started for the same reason is really ignoring what’s happening today.
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 4 days ago
The point here is that there is no left wing party. Just a right wing and a far right wing.
Nalivai@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Multiple years passed since then. Things are different now.