the options are either the party currently hurting you or the previous one hurting you
why wont you vote for the ones who constantly say the right things but still actively cause you harm!
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agent_nycto@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
“the left should have a united front and stop dividing itself!”
So… Vote for the one viable opposition party?
“No not like that”
Goferking0@ttrpg.network 3 weeks ago
agent_nycto@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Because one causes less harm than the other
Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
That’s their job on the tag team. One side stands for “the right”, it can be Ds or Rs (they have switched sides a couple times).
You’re not stopping one by voting in the other.
I will vote Democrat in the upcoming election… but know the game, and the players. The Ds aren’t going to fix anything, they are damage control (for now).
agent_nycto@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I mean, yeah. I feel that is shifting though, because now we’ve got MAGA and full on white supremacists in power, so it’s kinda not the same as it was with “oh yeah they are both the same” like the 90s and 00s.
Goferking0@ttrpg.network 3 weeks ago
One causes harm and the other says that harm only needs 10% fixing
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
One causes harm and the other says that harm only needs 10% fixing
And then doesn’t fix it at all.
agent_nycto@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
So you think we should let the people who want to do maximal harm have office. Got it.
imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
Choose between broken legs and arms or a lobotomy. One is clearly less harm.
gtrcoi@programming.dev 3 weeks ago
Uh. Yea? I’ll take the broken limbs. Problem?
BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
When you say it that way, boy, am I happy to vote for the break all my limbs and put me into months of recovery I cannot actually afford because of this party’s policies, party.
Goferking0@ttrpg.network 3 weeks ago
Cool now you have broken limbs that don’t get repaired properly so either get infected or heal in ways that make them unusable
agent_nycto@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Yeah. Both are a lot of harm. One is less bad though. What’s your point?
BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
I’m tired of being stabbed, I’m no longer going to vote being stabbed.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Vote for the one viable opposition party?
Show me an opposition party to vote for.
stabby_cicada@slrpnk.net 3 weeks ago
The Democrats are a right-wing party.
They are the secularist wing of the American Capitalist Party, and the Republicans are the theocratic wing.
They aren’t the fucking opposition, and they’re certainly not the fucking left.
agent_nycto@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
False equivalence fallacy. Just because both are bad, that doesn’t mean they are equally bad.
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
That’s not in the comic anywhere. But since the pro-genocide wing never wants to change, you’ll pretend like it is.
agent_nycto@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Well, no, it wasn’t in the comic because the conversation is derived from the comic. Do you normally think conversations stay rigidly on only one thing? If you bring up Democrats, naturally Republicans are going to be talked about.
nlgranger@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
True but neither will provide solutions to the problems a leftist party would want to address.
gtrcoi@programming.dev 3 weeks ago
Sure, if you only care about tankie horseshoe brainrot like leaving NATO or dismantling capitalism. Meanwhile the Democrats have been trying to pass meaningful healthcare reforms for decades and have been stopped at every turn by Republicans. They fight for social safety nets, strong regulations that protect consumers and the environment, and manage it all while not blowing up the economy like every Republican ever that takes the polar opposite positions. So what fringe policies do you care about that warrant both sides’ing these parties? Because on every single issue I care about the Democrats are unimaginably better then the Republicans.
mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
so keep doubling down on electing more trumps. that’s really working great!
agent_nycto@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
So? Just because Democrats aren’t doing things the way you want them exactly doesn’t mean
1-that they aren’t doing some stuff that you kinda would want, even if it’s not perfect and
2- Republicans, or letting Republicans win, is a good idea.
edible_funk@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
That’s why you vote for progressives in the primaries. But either progressives don’t vote in primaries or there’s genuinely not enough of us to warrant representation in which case we’re all fucked anyhow.
DarkFuture@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
There is no remotely viable true leftist party in the United States. Welcome to reality.
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
The problem is that they keep alienating their voters and losing to fascists, but refuse to ever change.
gtrcoi@programming.dev 3 weeks ago
I totally agree, they should stop alienating the majority of voters by trying to appeal to radicals that actively smear the party.
agent_nycto@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Oh yeah. Solid agree. That is a problem.
Hopefully either they get their shit together or, by some miracle, there’s a viable third party.
But the shit sandwich is that yeah, they are the only political party with any weight that can go against Republicans.
DarkFuture@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Two things should happen.
The Democrat party should change.
Voters should rub brain cells together and vote for far and away the better option, even if that option is awful at promoting themselves and adapting to changes in their base.
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Not a false equivalence at all. The Democratic-Republicans were formed in 1792 in direct opposition to the Federalist Party.
agent_nycto@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
It’s not 1792. Things change over time. Saying that these two parties are the same because they started for the same reason is really ignoring what’s happening today.
Nalivai@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Multiple years passed since then. Things are different now.