Submitted 12 hours ago by DylanMc6@lemmy.dbzer0.com to [deleted]
Would community defense organizing be good?
I think groups of openly armed citizens patrolling the streets would be a huge deterrent to ICE. These guys are violent bullies when they operate against unarmed people, but I doubt they are willing to mess with a mass of armed defenders.
But if the military continues to go along with Trump then this just may escalate things.
I’m from Denmark, and reading this thread is really scary. What the hell is going on over there?
The federal government is sending masked agents to brutalize and terrorize people is cities that are adversarial to their agenda.
It’s bad.
I’m in rural Cheshire in the UK, so first of all I’d be very surprised.
Light em up
2A. What it was intended for.
Alone, you are out-manned and out-gunned. Community is probably the best bet as bullies rely on uneven strength for their confidence. They’re untrained and want an easy target. Don’t give them it
I really wish there are free community defense classes
What kind of classes? Shooting? If so I’d say shooting won’t help much unless you have a community response to those threatening you. It just gives ammunition to those calling the American population dangerous, and trying to break them into groups so they can exploit hatred and fear. I believe that standing by all “groups” no matter what is what needs to happen. When someone tries to divide to conquer, the best answer I can see is avoiding any divides. The problem is it works on so many people, that about 30% of the country agrees that they have enemies in the country. Yet those people they think are enemies… Are no one they know, and would take as a friend if they were their neighbor.
Use your gun.
Don’t have one? Get one.
Can’t get one? Make one.
Hit me up for PDF on option 3.
Some would argue that shooting real cops wouldn’t make you an asshole either.
You still wouldn’t be legal for doing so. But I wouldn’t say someone is an asshole just because they killed a cop.
I’d argue if a cop is trying to kill you instead of arrest you, which is their job, then yeah, killing them back isn’t exactly an asshole response.
You can be an asshole for something else in the situation, but not for the mutual killing.
Hence the “and”.
First, contact as many people as you can, especially local ICE watch orgs. A lot have hotlines which you may be able to find with a web search. Next start recording. Delay as long as possible. Ask for a warrant, stay calm and maybe try to negotiate as a stall tactic. This will hopefully give community members time to arrive and record or hopefully apply pressure if they are brave and numerous enough. It is possible to intimidate and drive them back with enough numbers.
All else fails at this point I would not fight back and allow yourself to be arrested. Most citizens being arrested right now are being released. The courts are slow but still upholding the law for now. If you are not a citizen then your options might not be as good. Fighting back is likely to get you injured or killed but if you have an escape route it could be worthwhile, especially if you can escape in areas where motor vehicles can’t go. Their level of fitness is generally low so they can’t give chase for long, and as long as you’re not high profile you might be safe once you get away, though you’ll likely need to lie low somewhere.
If you’re asking what to do about the current political situation in a broader sense then I have different answers.
Imo; fuck them pigs.
Do NOT proper fuck them
I know from experience, that cops enjoy being hate pegged by lesbians.
I mean, not my OWN experience, but lesbians have told me what they did.
You excerise your rights provided to you by the constitution.
Fight, die, shrug emoji.
Kill or be killed.
Personally I’d just comply. They’re thugs, not law enforcement. They’ll hurt you and there will be no recourse available. If they’re there for someone else, I’d probably comfort that person and ask if there’s someone they’d like me to call.
Found the spy
Honestly if I value your own life and survival, which most people do, your best bet is to be docile and comply.
Actual resistance is better done planned in advance, the US even helpfully write its own guide during WW2
Surrender and recognize you might get a listing in the back of a history book someday, if they don't win. PS: They will likely win.
If NOT surrendering, can community defense be good? Are you a nihilist or a pessimist?
If you’re the person being arrested, your opinions are to surrender or fight and how they only beat you within an inch of your life without actually killing you (with the understanding that the chances of them killing you are increasing every day). Unless you manager to use legal force against them in which case you are 100% dead.
Community defense is when OTHER people come to rescue you, typically using nonviolent methods to harass and inhibit the agents until they give up and leave. Of course, the chances that agents will just kill them are increasing every day, too. Either way, once you’ve been targeted you’ll likely need to go into hiding, and engaging legal council is probably a good idea even if you’re a citizen.
I don’t think this is pessimistic or nihilistic. I feel like it’s a pretty accurate assessment of the likely possibilities. I’m open to hearing other interpretations, though.
If not surrendering, you're toast, community or not. They'll kill you for resisting before your community can mobilize. So you end up in a different list in the back of a history textbook.
Of those two, I lean toward classical nihilist; I believe nothing but what I've experienced in my own self. Pessimists believe that everything gets worse; My hope is that it change for the growth of our game.
FOLLOW-UP QUESTION: What about invoking the Fifth Amendment (which gives you the right against self-incrimination)
ICE don't care about the law, as evidenced by everything they've done ever.
Buy a gun
Twakyr@feddit.org 1 hour ago
Do a nazi thing, like a hitler salute. That way they get confused, and could possibly see you as one of them.
Second idea: wear an explosive belt at all times, now you can get all of them, and if youre lucky even the bomb expert and negotiator.